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I do know one thing for certain I would hate the pressure of being a starting quarterback in the NFL! When things are going well and the team is winning everyone loves You; but when things go South it is the quarterback’s fault usually. Not a fun situation to be in.

They can compensated pretty well for having to deal with that pressure though.

On the flip side a #26 overall is relatively minuscule if that QB makes it as a starter. I think that’s mainly because a starting QB’s “effect” on the game (impact) is far greater than any other position.

In general, I'm not opposed to spending a late first rounder on a quarterback. There's no point of doing it while having an elite starter though.

The good news, the Packers have three 13 win seasons in a row, Rodgers is still playing great and Love can still be under contract with the Packers for 2 more seasons after this one, to continue to learn, improve and potentially be a starter in the NFL.

Do you suggest the Packers should exercise the fifth year option on Love for him to be a backup??? That wouldn't make any sense.

The biggest question is, how much would other teams be willing to pay Love, as a free agent? It's difficult saying just how much he'd get. But, the $22-25 mill is not out of the question. It could also be $5-8 mill. We can't be certain. It all pretty much depends on who's available through FA, other than him.

There's no general manager in his right mind around the NFL who would be offering Love $22-25 million a season if he doesn't show some promise as a starter in the regular season.
 

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It goes without saying that none would offer that much. Even if he did show a lot of promise in a game or two, they'd have to be desperate to offer that kind of money.

Yet, it is the NFL, and who would have thought that some of these guys would be getting the bucks they are? It's like these GMs are spending Monopoly money, not the real thing.
 

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It goes without saying that none would offer that much. Even if he did show a lot of promise in a game or two, they'd have to be desperate to offer that kind of money.

Yet, it is the NFL, and who would have thought that some of these guys would be getting the bucks they are? It's like these GMs are spending Monopoly money, not the real thing.

I politely disagree whole heartedly. There are always teams that by events that occur sit at the back end or even out of the first round for whatever reasons which would rather "roll the dice" on a Love type QB than hope and pray a draft prospect falls to them. It is a short term risk that could go either way, but comes with experience unlike a rookie prospect. Are you getting a 1st in return for Love...likely not but who knows - there are cases of much crazier things happening....I predict if we ever trade Love it will be for a pick between the 7th and the 1st - LOL that's as refined as I believe anyone can say atm.
 

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I politely disagree whole heartedly. There are always teams that by events that occur sit at the back end or even out of the first round for whatever reasons which would rather "roll the dice" on a Love type QB than hope and pray a draft prospect falls to them. It is a short term risk that could go either way, but comes with experience unlike a rookie prospect. Are you getting a 1st in return for Love...likely not but who knows - there are cases of much crazier things happening....I predict if we ever trade Love it will be for a pick between the 7th and the 1st - LOL that's as refined as I believe anyone can say atm.
Desperation makes people do dumb things. I look at some of the QBs who have been given huge contracts and ask myself what these GMs were thinking? It's time after time, and I see guys all over the league making obscene money, who have never shown they are capable of earning it.

I guess that's why guys like Mahomes, Brady, and Rodgers can hold a team up for huge bucks. At least they're a proven quantity.
 
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Do you suggest the Packers should exercise the fifth year option on Love for him to be a backup??? That wouldn't make any sense.
If they had to make that decision today, I would say "no", which is why I said: "Rodgers is still playing great and Love can still be under contract with the Packers for 2 more seasons after this one."

They will have more information by next Spring, when they have to decide on his 5th. Much of that decision will be influenced by what Rodgers is doing.
 
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Absent an AR retirement or career ending injury I don't see any way the Packers pick up Love's 5th year option (and probably not even then). I think his 5th year guarantee would be in the area of $22-$25 million.

While I'm not a gambling man, I'd actually put my money down on them not picking up that option. Is that a prop bet anywhere?
Yup and as I said to Captain, that option is there. I agree that if things stay as they are (Rodgers is playing well and not retiring) and Love see little or no regular season snaps, then unless the Packers see something magical about him or Rodgers hints of 2023 being his final year, they won't pick up that 5th year.
 

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The big question mark is where things go on the field with Rodgers this year. Another great year for him and we will more than likely see him in 2023. If 2023 goes well, he could even be back in 2024. If that goes well, the Packers could even be looking at signing him into another deal. At that point, he'd be in it for the pride, and to steal some of Brady's thunder, after he hung it up.

Rodgers is competitive. That's what it's all about to him.
 
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The big question mark is where things go on the field with Rodgers this year. Another great year for him and we will more than likely see him in 2023. If 2023 goes well, he could even be back in 2024. If that goes well, the Packers could even be looking at signing him into another deal. At that point, he'd be in it for the pride, and to steal some of Brady's thunder, after he hung it up.

Rodgers is competitive. That's what it's all about to him.
Agree. I have no clue where Rodgers is related to all of the QB "records" that are on the books, but I can see him wanting to be listed as the top QB in as many as he can. Not saying that he will stick around just to chase down records, but I think it might creep into his thought process. Now if a reporter asked him how important those individual records are....my guess is he responds with a "I'm more interested in team records."
 

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Was all part of "the plan" that Gute had in his mind on draft night when Love was there for the taking. Probably what wasn't in the plan was AR drinking from the Brady fountain of youth or the roller coaster ride that Rodgers and The Packers have been on the last 18 months. The good news, the Packers have three 13 win seasons in a row, Rodgers is still playing great and Love can still be under contract with the Packers for 2 more seasons after this one, to continue to learn, improve and potentially be a starter in the NFL.

Love is starting to remind me of Jimmy Garoppolo. Drafted with the idea of taking over for a FHOF QB, but Brady ended up lasting longer in New England and the NFL, than anyone expected. Same thing could happen for Love, Rodgers and the Packers. If it did, I'd be just fine with that.
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In general, I'm not opposed to spending a late first rounder on a quarterback. There's no point of doing it while having an elite starter though.
You’d have to ask Brian that question. I’m not sure what he was looking at there, but I am pretty confident in saying that he didn’t just draft a QB without solid reasoning. He’s done too good of an overall good job thus far to question his motivation there. I highly doubt he’s going to overlook a Day 1 and Day 3 selection combined. They spend years contemplating those top selections.
The big question mark is where things go on the field with Rodgers this year. Another great year for him and we will more than likely see him in 2023. If 2023 goes well, he could even be back in 2024.
It’s anyones guess. My opinion is probably just the opposite of what I’ve seen others in here post (not you)
If Rodgers Wins a SB this season.. my opinion is that he would NOT hang up his cleats. As long as he’s performing at a top level and getting paid, I think he’d have a difficult time walking away. Especially if this Defense is what I think it is, near elite. I revised it down some after ge said he didn’t like “the grind” like 13 times in 12 days. :laugh:
I think he’s got 3-4 years left in him maximum though.
 
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They watched Hundley in Practice...they knew he did not have it..that is what Practices are for. Same with Love. He was NEVER worth a 1st round pick..they passed on or could have waited. Nobody had him above a third round pick.
He is proving that out..
I’m gonna just let this one go. This one time. Just because this is the dumbest comment I’ve heard in a very long time. I’ll give you a pass. You just can’t tell us you thought this one through bud.
 
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In general, I'm not opposed to spending a late first rounder on a quarterback. There's no point of doing it while having an elite starter though.
Seemed to work out just fine when TT drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005. Brett Favre was an elite starter and played 6 more seasons.
 
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Good find and I think with most NFL QB's, whether they eventually make it or not, there is a lot to learn and those first few years of doing so can make them look like a baby bird trying to fly. I dont think that growth has a chance to really sore, until they are put behind center, in real games, with starters and playing when the final score means something. Preseason is good experience, but definitely not like what they get in regular season games.
 
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It goes without saying that none would offer that much. Even if he did show a lot of promise in a game or two, they'd have to be desperate to offer that kind of money.

Yet, it is the NFL, and who would have thought that some of these guys would be getting the bucks they are? It's like these GMs are spending Monopoly money, not the real thing.

I'm absolutely convinced that even a desperate general manager wouldn't be stupid enough to offer Love that kind of money as long as he doesn't show a lot of promise in games that matter at some point this season.

There are always teams that by events that occur sit at the back end or even out of the first round for whatever reasons which would rather "roll the dice" on a Love type QB than hope and pray a draft prospect falls to them. It is a short term risk that could go either way, but comes with experience unlike a rookie prospect. Are you getting a 1st in return for Love...likely not but who knows - there are cases of much crazier things happening.

Actually, I'm convinced that teams strongly prefer to draft a QB prospect, resulting in having him on a cheap rookie deal for four years, than trade for a unknown player at the position like Love who they might have to pay significant money after only one season.

If they had to make that decision today, I would say "no", which is why I said: "Rodgers is still playing great and Love can still be under contract with the Packers for 2 more seasons after this one."

They will have more information by next Spring, when they have to decide on his 5th. Much of that decision will be influenced by what Rodgers is doing.

While the Packers will know about Rodgers' decision next spring it's probable they won't have significant more information of Love's potential. I would definitely not feel comfortable about them exercising the fifth year option on him based on some improvement in preseason games.

You’d have to ask Brian that question. I’m not sure what he was looking at there, but I am pretty confident in saying that he didn’t just draft a QB without solid reasoning. He’s done too good of an overall good job thus far to question his motivation there. I highly doubt he’s going to overlook a Day 1 and Day 3 selection combined. They spend years contemplating those top selections.

As I've mentioned repeatedly, it's obvious Gutekunst thought there was solid reasoning behind trading up for Love. I just happen to disagree with it.

Seemed to work out just fine when TT drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005. Brett Favre was an elite starter and played 6 more seasons.

Come on, the Packers found themselves in a completely different situation at the time they drafted Rodgers. In addition, just because it worked out the last time means diddly-squad in the current situation.
 
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Come on, the Packers found themselves in a completely different situation at the time they drafted Rodgers. In addition, just because it worked out the last time means diddly-squad in the current situation
I'm convinced....that I disagree with you on both points. ;)
 
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just assessing what he is showing now vs projecting where he is going.
That’s kinda what draft placing and development does. Draft placing absolutely figures on expectation levels. As an example, you wouldn’t use a Day 1 selection and cut him at early signs of trouble.. you absolutely could with a Day 3 type. (See J’mon Moore)
Come on, the Packers found themselves in a completely different situation at the time they drafted Rodgers. In addition, just because it worked out the last time means diddly-squad in the current situation.
It’s a valid example. It’s also a highly successful outcome.
 
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No matter what, when Rodgers walks away, I have my fingers crossed that the third HOF QB in a row will be under center in GB. It may be a reach, but when you're dreaming, why not dream big?
 
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It’s a valid example. It’s also a highly successful outcome.
Not sure of any closer example, especially with Rodgers waffling (twice) on whether he wants to continue to play for the Packers or at all. Obviously, we as fans have only seen that from Rodger since the Love pick, but who knows what Gute and the rest of the Packers were hearing or seeing prior to the 2020 draft. I always thought it was too early to draft #12's replacement, but then again, when do you?? Would the Packers have used the 2021 or 2022 first round picks on a QB? No Stokes, No Quay Walker?
 
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No matter what, when Rodgers walks away, I have my fingers crossed that the third HOF QB in a row will be under center in GB. It may be a reach, but when you're dreaming, why not dream big?
Yes. Obviously it’s hard to compare to someone as prolific as #12 at QB. Obviously we can win a SB without the elite accuracy of #12 and much of that relies upon the success of the other 2 phases.
I see a QB in Love that could potentially grow into a good starter if he continues growing. If he improves his shorter game accuracy (touch passes, leading the receiver properly etc..) he could be capable as a lower end starter by early next season. Jordan won’t really get substantially past that level without live game experience against 1’s. Unfortunately he’s stuck behind the best QB to ever play football. It’s a blessing and a curse simultaneously.
 

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Yes. Obviously it’s hard to compare to someone as prolific as #12 at QB. Obviously we can win a SB without the elite accuracy of #12 and much of that relies upon the success of the other 2 phases.
I see a QB in Love that could potentially grow into a good starter if he continues growing. If he improves his shorter game accuracy (touch passes, leading the receiver properly etc..) he could be capable as a lower end starter by early next season. Jordan won’t really get substantially past that level without live game experience against 1’s. Unfortunately he’s stuck behind the best QB to ever play football. It’s a blessing and a curse simultaneously.
By spending this year on the sideline learning, Love will have gotten the best possible coaching opportunities available to any QB coming into the league. He has not been under fire to perform, and has had the opportunity of spending his time with a certified HOF QB, and learning from him, and the coaching staff. It doesn't get any better than that.

If, and when, he does take the field controlling his own destiny, these three years will have either gave him the education he needs, or he has failed, simply because he doesn't have those skills necessary to rise to the level of a true winner.

I think it's 3 times more likely that he'll succeed after this year than it was, when he was drafted. That learning curve, without the pressure, is an enormous help getting where you need to be.

But, this is just my opinion.
 

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No matter what, when Rodgers walks away, I have my fingers crossed that the third HOF QB in a row will be under center in GB. It may be a reach, but when you're dreaming, why not dream big?

I expect a 3rd HOFer. This isn't the Chicago Bears we're talking about.
 

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We were all certain Gluten was going to take a WR and weren't ready to settle for anything else. (Somewhat ironic because all of the round 1 WRs were gone when the Packers picked. They could have taken Tee Higgins, but that would have been a huge reach.)

Tee Higgins would not have been a reach at all. The Packers original draft spot was 30. Higgins was taken at 33 by the Bengals. Michael Pittman Jr. was taken at 34 by the Colts. Neither one would have been a reach and either of them would be the #1 receiver on this team right now.

The pick was just mind-boggling horrible by Gutey. But thankfully he's been pretty good overall.
 

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Not true. As a matter of fact...it was a Surprise that GB traded 5hat far up with what they gave up for him. And, BTW. .watching him against the chiefs..solidifys why he should go...he sucks. Playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers..Goodness..BH dena vu...
Omg..your a troll
 
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