The clock is ticking on Jeff Janis

[Poppa San]

For me, the most surprising thing about Jeff Janis is this thread not being merged.

I don't know what will happen to the poll and I was curious as to the tally after a month or so.

 

[sschind]

So pretty much take a player little invested in with experience and replace him with a unknown "talented" player. Id rather have the guy with catches vs tough defenses and tip top talent as my #6 or #7 WR.

So would I, you know of any?

 

[Patriotplayer90]

When will this clock they set on players apply to Dom Capers?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

When will this clock they set on players apply to Dom Capers?

I'm convinced they use a different clock with DC

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[JLW_51]

I agree, if you have nobody else that is a better player. But in the past few years, Janis really hasn't beaten someone out that earned the spot as a WR ahead of Janis. Also, when there have been injuries, rookies are seeing more playing time ahead of Janis. Allison began last year on the PS and ended up seeing more balls thrown his way. Same with Abbrederis in 2015. This just may be the year that the numbers don't make sense to keep Janis, but I think it's his job to win or lose, mainly due to his play on special teams.

Currently, it is a crowded receiver room:

1. Nelson
2. Cobb
3. Adams
4. Allison
5. Yancey
6. Davis
7. Janis
8. Dupre
9. McCaffrey
10. Clark
11. Crockett

Personally, I would rank Janis ahead of Davis, because of ST ability and for sure over Yancey. I thought he was taken way too high.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

How many routes does a #5 wr really need to know?
Seriously. Bring him out to go deep. It serves a purpose. Stretch the defense. It opens up the rest of the wrs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How many routes does a #5 wr really need to know?
Seriously. Bring him out to go deep. It serves a purpose. Stretch the defense. It opens up the rest of the wrs.

I would imagine as many routes as it takes to get him playing time, which clearly in the 3 years he has played, the coaches have felt more confident giving those snaps to players besides Janis. Not quite sure how just having Janis "go deep" on every play that he lines up at WR helps the Packer offense?

An UDFA Rookie, Geronimo Allison only played in 10 game, while Janis played in 16. Allison was targeted 22 times (12 receptions), Janis 19 targets (11 receptions). Allison had a 16.8 yds/catch average, Janis was at 8.5.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Personally, I would rank Janis ahead of Davis, because of ST ability and for sure over Yancey. I thought he was taken way too high.

I believe that Yancey was drafted too high as well. While it's likely that Janis will make the final roster based on his performance on special teams I consider Davis and the rookie receivers selected this year more likely to have an impact on offense.

How many routes does a #5 wr really need to know?
Seriously. Bring him out to go deep. It serves a purpose. Stretch the defense. It opens up the rest of the wrs.

It's pretty easy for a defense to shut down a receiver capable of solely running deep routes and doesn't stretch a defense to open up room for other pass catchers either.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I'm thinking Janis has probably just about gone the way of Brett Swain. I liked that guy but there was a reason he didn't get kept as a long-term contributor.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Hey kids, check this out if you already haven't:

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_0a0c07d6-48a3-11e7-b8bc-03fd56c67287.html

The bell tolls 11 for Janis' chances....

And for the group that responded in regards to Janis only going deep, one trick ponies don't really exist like they used to in the NFL any more, because it gives the Defense such an advantage. If I was a DC or the ILB or S leading and calling the plays on the field, I'm going to make note of that in the film room.

I'm going to line up a CB(or even better, a LB if I'm a cocky ******) in press man on Janis, and send him straight in on a blitz. Once AR recognizes either the mismatch or Janis getting free release and slings it straight to him (if he's even able to get it off due to the free blitz coming in, I'll have the SS in perfect position to jump the route for a Pick 6.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hey kids, check this out if you already haven't:

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_0a0c07d6-48a3-11e7-b8bc-03fd56c67287.html

The bell tolls 11 for Janis' chances....

And for the group that responded in regards to Janis only going deep, one trick ponies don't really exist like they used to in the NFL any more, because it gives the Defense such an advantage. If I was a DC or the ILB or S leading and calling the plays on the field, I'm going to make note of that in the film room.

I'm going to line up a CB(or even better, a LB if I'm a cocky ******) in press man on Janis, and send him straight in on a blitz. Once AR recognizes either the mismatch or Janis getting free release and slings it straight to him (if he's even able to get it off due to the free blitz coming in, I'll have the SS in perfect position to jump the route for a Pick 6.

Good article, thanks for sharing!

I still wonder about Janis in his early years and why he couldn't get on the same page with AR, especially since there has been a lot said about AR working with "this receiver and that receiver" to help them. We heard it with Adams, Allison, Abby and now Dupre. Yet, with Janis, it seems like there has been more talk about him and AR not being on the same page. Would love to know AR's true thoughts about Jeff.

It looks like Dupre could use a year in the weight room, but I like to read that he is absorbing things, as well as working closely with AR and the other veteran receivers.

 

[swhitset]

Good article, thanks for sharing!

I still wonder about Janis in his early years and why he couldn't get on the same page with AR, especially since there has been a lot said about AR working with "this receiver and that receiver" to help them. We heard it with Adams, Allison, Abby and now Dupre. Yet, with Janis, it seems like there has been more talk about him and AR not being on the same page. Would love to know AR's true thoughts about Jeff.

It looks like Dupre could use a year in the weight room, but I like to read that he is absorbing things, as well as working closely with AR and the other veteran receivers.

I hesitate to open this can of worms.... but it might be relevant to your question. If there is any knock on Aaron Rodgers, it may be his close mindedness. People don't like it when elements of his personal life creep into the conversation, but sometimes a person's personality becomes relevant. It seems to me that there is some evidence that Aaron will form an opinion about someone and simply write them off. He has apparently cut ties with many people in his life from family, close friends, business associates etc. I am not saying he was not justified in doing so in every case, but it does seem to have become a pattern. I don't know what may or may not have happened between Janis and Aaron early on, but based on the way Rodgers spoke in interviews about Janis during his rookie year, I got the impression that Aaron had little time for him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I hesitate to open this can of worms.... but it might be relevant to your question. If there is any knock on Aaron Rodgers, it may be his close mindedness. People don't like it when elements of his personal life creep into the conversation, but sometimes a person's personality becomes relevant. It seems to me that there is some evidence that Aaron will form an opinion about someone and simply write them off. He has apparently cut ties with many people in his life from family, close friends, business associates etc. I am not saying he was not justified in doing so in every case, but it does seem to have become a pattern. I don't know what may or may not have happened between Janis and Aaron early on, but based on the way Rodgers spoke in interviews about Janis during his rookie year, I got the impression that Aaron had little time for him.

Oh I agree, which is why I said I would love to know exactly what AR thinks about Janis, without any PC response mixed in. I don't fault AR for having a line and holding to it, he seems to be consistent with it in regards to football. Basically, it seems to be: "I am the QB, I will invest as much time as I can to helping you, but if you show me I am wasting my time, than it's on to the next guy." AR isn't a coach and he has a ton on his plate as it is, so for him to "give up" on a WR after trying, wouldn't surprise nor disappoint me. Whether he has done that with Jeff Janis and why, we may never know. But my inkling is to go with, AR tried and failed, so it was on to players who he could help.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I hesitate to open this can of worms.... but it might be relevant to your question. If there is any knock on Aaron Rodgers, it may be his close mindedness. People don't like it when elements of his personal life creep into the conversation, but sometimes a person's personality becomes relevant. It seems to me that there is some evidence that Aaron will form an opinion about someone and simply write them off. He has apparently cut ties with many people in his life from family, close friends, business associates etc. I am not saying he was not justified in doing so in every case, but it does seem to have become a pattern. I don't know what may or may not have happened between Janis and Aaron early on, but based on the way Rodgers spoke in interviews about Janis during his rookie year, I got the impression that Aaron had little time for him.

There is probably some truth here however Janis obviously hasn't won over the play callers either. He is rarely on the field and even when there were injuries he struggled to get on the field. That isn't a Rodgers decision. That is a coaching decision. So Rodgers very well could have written off Janis but the offensive coaching staff has too.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think people made too much out of seeing AR get visibly upset with Janis after what appeared to be mistakes made by Janis. This has always been AR's MO, whether it's a WR, TE, OL or RB, AR doesn't really hold back to let a player know he messed up, nor should he. Like Bubba said above, I think Jeff Janis has been his own worst enemy and the decision for him to be on or off the field as a WR, has been up to the coaches or dictated by necessity.

 

[UpDownEndAround]

Have you guys watched this guy for years like I have? Jesus, it's not hard to figure out at this point. He's not a good WR. He runs sloppy routes, plays the ball terribly in the air, and can't fight to catch balls in traffic. He is on this team to be a gunner, and thats it. It was great to see him make some big catches in the AZ game, but that was desperation backyard football. I will take anyone's bet for $10 on whether he's on the 53 this year (I get to take that he's not).

 

[UpDownEndAround]

I think people made too much out of seeing AR get visibly upset with Janis after what appeared to be mistakes made by Janis. This has always been AR's MO, whether it's a WR, TE, OL or RB, AR doesn't really hold back to let a player know he messed up, nor should he. Like Bubba said above, I think Jeff Janis has been his own worst enemy and the decision for him to be on or off the field as a WR, has been up to the coaches or dictated by necessity.

How many routes does a #5 wr really need to know?
Seriously. Bring him out to go deep. It serves a purpose. Stretch the defense. It opens up the rest of the wrs.

Speed alone does jack squat - you have to make plays with some level of consistency. He doesn't. He doesn't in practice, and the limited time in games he doesn't either.

 

[NJPackfan..]

A great special teams player......wish he could learn the offensive playbook.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Hey kids, check this out if you already haven't:

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_0a0c07d6-48a3-11e7-b8bc-03fd56c67287.html

Just like with Peterson I don't get excited about reports from OTA practices, especially coming from a newspaper out of Baton Rouge. I like Dupre's potential as well but will wait until at least the preseason to care about his performance.

Speed alone does jack squat - you have to make plays with some level of consistency. He doesn't. He doesn't in practice, and the limited time in games he doesn't either.

Unfortunately Janis has reportedly made some spectacular plays in practice, something I remember vividly got a lot of people around here way too excited about his potential.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Unfortunately Janis has reportedly made some spectacular plays in practice, something I remember vividly got a lot of people around here way too excited about his potential.

Come on! That "kid" is going to have a breakout season!

 

[thequick12]

Good article, thanks for sharing!

I still wonder about Janis in his early years and why he couldn't get on the same page with AR, especially since there has been a lot said about AR working with "this receiver and that receiver" to help them. We heard it with Adams, Allison, Abby and now Dupre. Yet, with Janis, it seems like there has been more talk about him and AR not being on the same page. Would love to know AR's true thoughts rs.

i think its pretty clear rodgers does not like jeff janis. wasnt there something that happened janis' rookie year ? cant remember what

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

i think its pretty clear rodgers does not like jeff janis. wasnt there something that happened janis' rookie year ? cant remember what

Not sure about AR not liking Janis, I saw a few hugs and smiles between the 2 in the past. I have to guess that it is closer to AR got frustrated with JJ making mistakes due to not having a firm grasp of the playbook. Hard to have much confidence in your teammate, when you aren't so sure if he knows what he is doing.

 

[Mondio]

I don't think there is anything on a personal level between Janis and Rodgers not liking him for something. I think it has everything to do with the playbook and consistency. If Rodgers has any ill will towards Janis, it's frustration that he can't be counted on to be in the right place at the right time. I don't think it goes beyond any more than that.