The clock is ticking on Jeff Janis

[Pokerbrat2000]

Most great teams set themselves up for injuries with players further back the depthchart that can put your team in position to still win. Janis has proven to be that guy vs Arizona in the playoffs. Why get rid of a player that brings that to the team not to mention the ST value. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened but I don't really understand it!

Not sure the Arizona game and Janis's 2 hail mary catches, which accounted for most of his yardage on unbelievable scrambles and throws by AR, convince me Janis is anything that special to take up a roster spot, at least not as a WR, special teams maybe.

Janis is reminding me a lot of Jarrett Boykin. Another Packer who had a few decent games at WR, was a full time special teams guy, but otherwise just couldn't make it in the NFL after 3 years.

Yes, it's fine to have guys that can play special teams and contribute on offense or defense when called on, but only if there isn't another more talent player you want to fill that roster spot with.

 

[Arthur Squires]

Not sure the Arizona game and Janis's 2 hail mary catches, which accounted for most of his yardage on unbelievable scrambles and throws by AR, convince me Janis is anything that special to take up a roster spot, at least not as a WR, special teams maybe.

Janis is reminding me a lot of Jarrett Boykin. Another Packer who had a few decent games at WR, was a full time special teams guy, but otherwise just couldn't make it in the NFL after 3 years.

Yes, it's fine to have guys that can play special teams and contribute on offense or defense when called on, but only if there isn't another more talent player you want to fill that roster spot with.

So pretty much take a player little invested in with experience and replace him with a unknown "talented" player. Id rather have the guy with catches vs tough defenses and tip top talent as my #6 or #7 WR.

 

[Tundramen]

Hard to look past his athletic ability and skill. Has done a nice job on special teams, but he has to make a mark on the offense. http://lastwordonprofootball.com/2017/05/21/packers-patience-jeff-janis/

 

[Tundramen]

Hard to look past his athletic ability and skill. Has done a nice job on special teams, but he has to make a mark on the offense. http://lastwordonprofootball.com/2017/05/21/packers-patience-jeff-janis/

They need to give Janis alot of looks this preseason. When he has had to perform he has excelled. If they let him go he will not last long on waivers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So pretty much take a player little invested in with experience and replace him with a unknown "talented" player. Id rather have the guy with catches vs tough defenses and tip top talent as my #6 or #7 WR.

I agree, if you have nobody else that is a better player. But in the past few years, Janis really hasn't beaten someone out that earned the spot as a WR ahead of Janis. Also, when there have been injuries, rookies are seeing more playing time ahead of Janis. Allison began last year on the PS and ended up seeing more balls thrown his way. Same with Abbrederis in 2015. This just may be the year that the numbers don't make sense to keep Janis, but I think it's his job to win or lose, mainly due to his play on special teams.

Currently, it is a crowded receiver room:

1. Nelson
2. Cobb
3. Adams
4. Allison
5. Yancey
6. Davis
7. Janis
8. Dupre
9. McCaffrey
10. Clark
11. Crockett

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They need to give Janis alot of looks this preseason. When he has had to perform he has excelled. If they let him go he will not last long on waivers.

Don't get me wrong, I want Janis to succeed, but I think it's a lot of wishful thinking by Packer fans that he will succeed. Also, to say that he has "excelled" when asked to perform is part of that wishful thinking and loosely based on 2 hail mary catches against Arizona. He has been afforded other opportunities and not excelled. Sometimes I think fans are so enamored by this guy that they forget why he continues to get passed on the depth chart as well as sees most of his playing time on special teams. For whatever reasons, he hasn't developed enough to be inserted as a WR unless injuries or packages (hail mary) have dictated it.

The Vikings have another fan favorite like Jeff, Moritz Böhringer. Also a guy with a lot of the physical attributes that point to him being a great WR. But he so far has failed to be able to play at the level required of a WR in the NFL.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Janis is reminding me a lot of Jarrett Boykin. Another Packer who had a few decent games at WR, was a full time special teams guy, but otherwise just couldn't make it in the NFL after 3 years.

Boykin had 49 receptions for 681 yards and three touchdowns in 2013 though. Janis hasn't been able to get close to those numbers in three seasons.

 

[Sky King]

Allison is the one that reminds me of Boykin.

 

[brandon2348]

All this Janis and Dupre talk will work it's way out through training camp and the preseason. The word on Janis is he has gotten visibly bigger. How much that translates to on the field production well see. IMO Dupre is a practice squad candidate. I also believe well see some improvment from T.Davis. The Packers are loaded at WR and it will be almost impossible for a 7th round pick to make the squad. Janis as stated has special team value which shouldn't be overlooked.

I think it's gonna come down to who stays healthy and that's how these clusters of good players at a position usually works it way out. I think the competition here at this position group is very good which leads me to believe were about to witness the best Packers offense of all time when considering other aquisitions.

 

[brandon2348]

Allison is the one that reminds me of Boykin.

I like Allison way more then Boykin. He is a much more fluid player then Boykin and I don't like the comparison.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Boykin had 49 receptions for 681 yards and three touchdowns in 2013 though. Janis hasn't been able to get close to those numbers in three seasons.

Right but Boykin was able to get those numbers due to a process of elimination.

If memory serves me correct, 2013 was a year when the Packers started the season with a thin WR group to begin with, Jordy, Cobb and Jones were the starters. Cobb went down mid season with a fractured fibula and Boykin was able to see a lot more playing time, similar to when Janis has played. Even looking at the stats for 2013, it almost appears the Packers only used 5 WR's, with Myles White being the 5th.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think the competition here at this position group is very good which leads me to believe were about to witness the best Packers offense of all time when considering other aquisitions.

That's a pretty tough task considering the 2011 team scored a total of 560 points that season.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Right but Boykin was able to get those numbers due to a process of elimination.

If memory serves me correct, 2013 was a year when the Packers started the season with a thin WR group to begin with, Jordy, Cobb and Jones were the starters. Cobb went down mid season with a fractured fibula and Boykin was able to see a lot more playing time, similar to when Janis has played. Even looking at the stats for 2013, it almost appears the Packers only used 5 WR's, with Myles White being the 5th.

True, but the Packers lacked talent and depth at the position in 2015 as well after Nelson was lost for the season yet Janis wasn't able to take advantage of it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

True, but the Packers lacked talent and depth at the position in 2015 as well after Nelson was lost for the season yet Janis wasn't able to take advantage of it.

No argument from me there. What I was eluding to was the fact that both Boykin and Janis were/are decent special teams players, but never could establish themselves at WR. Beyond his 2013 season, Boykin had 8 catches in his 3 year NFL career.

 

[brandon2348]

That's a pretty tough task considering the 2011 team scored a total of 560 points that season.

Guys gotta stay healthy but this offense has just as many weapons if not more then 2011. I see all this talk about Janis, Dupree but I see even Cobb getting limited snaps with the TE's Packers have.

When you consider Bennett and Kendricks occupying the middle and then motioning Monty out of the backfield there will be 1 on 1's outside all day long. I don't see a single defense in the league that has the personnel to stop us with our guys healthy. The only way would be a team that could get to Rodgers with 4 guys.

This offense is gonna be like a "Ferrari".

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Guys gotta stay healthy but this offense has just as many weapons if not more then 2011. I see all this talk about Janis, Dupree but I see even Cobb getting limited snaps with the TE's Packers have.

When you consider Bennett and Kendricks occupying the middle and then motioning Monty out of the backfield there will be 1 on 1's outside all day long. I don't see a single defense in the league that has the personnel to stop us with our guys healthy. The only way would be a team that could get to Rodgers with 4 guys.

This offense is gonna be like a "Ferrari".

Well, I hope you're right as I expect the Packers will have to score a ton of points to beat opponents with above average offenses once again.

 

[brandon2348]

Well, I hope you're right as I expect the Packers will have to score a ton of points to beat opponents with above average offenses once again.

If the run defense stays on point and the pass defense can improve to top 15 or so I like our chances. If they don't it will be 10-6 all over again.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If the run defense stays on point and the pass defense can improve to top 15 or so I like our chances. If they don't it will be 10-6 all over again.

Unfortunately I don't expect the pass defense to improve within the top 15 in the league.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

As much as I liked Janis's potential. I think his time here is done. McCarthy didn't play him last year, and that speaks for itself imo.

Now... will he do well on another team that gives him chances? I'd say yes...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

As much as I liked Janis's potential. I think his time here is done. McCarthy didn't play him last year, and that speaks for itself imo.

Now... will he do well on another team that gives him chances? I'd say yes...

It's possible Janis would put up better numbers with a different team running a less complicated scheme but I expect him to be responsible for an increased amount of bad plays because of mental mistakes as well.

 

[PikeBadger]

Janis has gotten noticeably bigger? I wonder if the coaching staff encouraged that? Would that mean they want to try and use him like an h-back?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Janis has gotten noticeably bigger? I wonder if the coaching staff encouraged that? Would that mean they want to try and use him like an h-back?

Not if it means him relearning the playbook from another position.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Janis has gotten noticeably bigger? I wonder if the coaching staff encouraged that? Would that mean they want to try and use him like an h-back?

I don't believe the coaching staff advised Janis to get noticeably bigger as that would most likely decrease his athleticism. Other than that he doesn't offer anything special though.

 

[jakemillar]

I could be wrong here but if Janis 1) hasn't gained the trust of Rodgers to this point, or 2) can't adequately learn McCarthy's playbook, which features the same 3x1 Gun Trey formation for 50% of the time, then he probably won't at all. In this case I think the phrase "if not now, when?" applies here.

Another notch on the bed post of an athletically gifted, hyped WR in the NFL who didn't pan out. Pretty common it seems.

 

[HardRightEdge]

For me, the most surprising thing about Jeff Janis is this thread not being merged.