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what part of what i said was wrong? it IS a bad contract for the Packers when you bump the rate 10+% on a 35 year old player. it's got a severe impact on the team's cap. that fact alone makes it not conducive to winning. both parties ignored this so yes they both F'd up.
Someone with more time and more knowledge of the entire situation can elaborate more, but with the cap continuing to rise at the rate it's going, the percentage of the cap Rodgers eats up isn't going to increase that dramatically. The cap just from last season to this season increased 11-14 million. That isn't slowing down anytime soon.

Rodgers' deal is going to look like a bargain soon.
 
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You know, until this past season, I can't recall anyone ever complaining before about an issue where a quarterback changed too many plays.

Actually there were several posters advocating for Rodgers to actually call the plays. Now those same guys complain about him audibling to a different one.

what part of what i said was wrong? it IS a bad contract for the Packers when you bump the rate 10+% on a 35 year old player. it's got a severe impact on the team's cap. that fact alone makes it not conducive to winning. both parties ignored this so yes they both F'd up.

It's ridiculous to suggest that the Packers F'd up by keeping the most efficient quarterback in NFL history for another five years because of a bad season by his standards.

While they may have slightly overpaid to retain him they could make up for all of that additional cap space by getting rid of a below average kicker, yet here you are whining about Rodgers' contract.

Someone with more time and more knowledge of the entire situation can elaborate more, but with the cap continuing to rise at the rate it's going, the percentage of the cap Rodgers eats up isn't going to increase that dramatically. The cap just from last season to this season increased 11-14 million. That isn't slowing down anytime soon.

Rodgers' deal is going to look like a bargain soon.

The current CBA only runs for another two years. There's no guarantee the cap will continue to raise afterwards.
 

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Actually there were several posters advocating for Rodgers to actually call the plays. Now those same guys complain about him audibling to a different one.

It's ridiculous to suggest that the Packers F'd up by keeping the most efficient quarterback in NFL history for another five years because of a bad season by his standards.

While they may have slightly overpaid to retain him they could make up for all of that additional cap space by getting rid of a below average kicker, yet here you are whining about Rodgers' contract.
Emphasis on HIS Standards.
 

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It's ridiculous to suggest that the Packers F'd up by keeping the most efficient quarterback in NFL history for another five years because of a bad season by his standards.

While they may have slightly overpaid to retain him they could make up for all of that additional cap space by getting rid of a below average kicker, yet here you are whining about Rodgers' contract.
didn't say anything about keeping rodgers in my post. the point was both parties should have done better. the prior post was about the quote about rodgers thinking about his legacy and wanting to win. the contract suggests legacy/winning wasn't part of the thought process. if it had it would have been for less money and time. as for the cap going up to cover it...that's money that could have been used to sign/keep players. had they done the deal at say $28m that's $5.5m AND whatever the cap goes up to build the team with. they didn't, and it won't be.
 

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didn't say anything about keeping rodgers in my post. the point was both parties should have done better. the prior post was about the quote about rodgers thinking about his legacy and wanting to win. the contract suggests legacy/winning wasn't part of the thought process. if it had it would have been for less money and time. as for the cap going up to cover it...that's money that could have been used to sign/keep players. had they done the deal at say $28m that's $5.5m AND whatever the cap goes up to build the team with. they didn't, and it won't be.

While I understand your notion, if the Packers could convince every player, not just Rodgers, to discount their contracts by 15%, they would have a ton of money to spend on more players to improve the team. However, that isn't the way the NFL seems to operate. Sure, on occasion you get a player willing to "take a team discount", but to consistently expect your players to take less than their market value is just wishful thinking.
 

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didn't say anything about keeping rodgers in my post. the point was both parties should have done better. the prior post was about the quote about rodgers thinking about his legacy and wanting to win. the contract suggests legacy/winning wasn't part of the thought process. if it had it would have been for less money and time. as for the cap going up to cover it...that's money that could have been used to sign/keep players. had they done the deal at say $28m that's $5.5m AND whatever the cap goes up to build the team with. they didn't, and it won't be.
Something tells me you wouldn’t be willing to take a pay cut from your job so that the operation would run smoother. Or accept less money than you could make just to appease everyone else.
 

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Try dropping me from $120 mil to $110 mil so I can obtain the highest prize in my profession and see what answer you get. I think I've got all my family bases covered with that much, so, sure, I'd take it. I took a pay cut of a similar percentage size once just to cut my SoCal commute down to spend more time with the family. As (I think) Jordy Nelson once said, "how much money do you really need?".
 

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While I understand your notion, if the Packers could convince every player, not just Rodgers, to discount their contracts by 15%, they would have a ton of money to spend on more players to improve the team. However, that isn't the way the NFL seems to operate. Sure, on occasion you get a player willing to "take a team discount", but to consistently expect your players to take less than their market value is just wishful thinking.
every player isn't eating up the cap space that rodgers is. if it's about winning they do the deal differently. market value, by the way, would have put $3.5+m into cap pool. do that deal later, rather than sooner, and you don't have the spikes we'll see in the next 3 years.

Something tells me you wouldn’t be willing to take a pay cut from your job so that the operation would run smoother. Or accept less money than you could make just to appease everyone else.
from what rodgers was making to signing for less than $30 wasn't a cut. it was a big raise. it would have been for market value. anything more is at the team's detriment.
 

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every player isn't eating up the cap space that rodgers is. if it's about winning they do the deal differently. market value, by the way, would have put $3.5+m into cap pool. do that deal later, rather than sooner, and you don't have the spikes we'll see in the next 3 years.

Every player is eating up their share of the cap space. If you are expecting one player to take a % cut in pay for the benefit of the team, why wouldn't you expect everyone else to "do it for the team"?

Again, I understand some people would in their own job and some people wish Rodgers did take a substantial pay cut over his market value, but he didn't. Do we know how much Rodgers was asking for? Do we know how much the Packers wanted to pay him? My guess is they met somewhere in the middle. Yup, it looks like crazy money to most of us, but the crazy part is, it isn't much more than Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, etc. are being paid. So maybe your issue isn't really with Aaron Rodgers, but with the way/amounts that players are being paid in the NFL?

At the end of the day, to me these paydays aren't dollars, since I will never see that kind of money in my life, but they are merely numbers on a spread sheet. When added up, somehow the team justifies each entry to meet or be under the final goal.

from what rodgers was making to signing for less than $30 wasn't a cut. it was a big raise. it would have been for market value. anything more is at the team's detriment.

Of course it was a big raise, do you think prior to the contract Aaron was being paid a fair wage compared to what lessor QB's were being paid? What market value are referring to that Rodgers was worth? I would say the amount he got, was now the new market value for his services. Anything above or below that is "perceived market value". If you pay $30 for a steak, you have just set your market value for what you are willing to pay for that steak.
 
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So maybe your issue isn't really with Aaron Rodgers, but with the way/amounts that players are being paid in the NFL?

At the end of the day, to me these paydays aren't dollars, since I will never see that kind of money in my life, but they are merely numbers on a spread sheet. When added up, somehow the team justifies each entry to meet or be under the final goal.

No question that, personally, what pro sports entertainers make is so far out of line with what they contribute to others that I cannot ever feel bad about them either losing or giving up large parts of it. I refuse to do anything that will overtly add to the stockpile from which they draw - no game tickets, no memorabilia, no pay-tv. I will take the hit on not being a true fan because I'm not nearly as enthusiastic as I was when rooting for real people who needed second jobs off-season in order to be able to play a game for a living.

That's me. Your last sentence encapsulates what I think would happen if the holders of the truly obscene contracts really wanted to win - fit the missing pieces under the cap by contributing in the only they way they can, take less.
 

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If you're talking about me, guilty. There are many things I'd like to see different but know that I can't affect. At least sports is one of those that I can have some control over by regulating my responses.
 

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You know, until this past season, I can't recall anyone ever complaining before about an issue where a quarterback changed too many plays.

Nobody is going to complain when you're winning. But if you aren't folks are going to look for reasons. IMO there were numerous reasons why last season was so disappointing. Rodgers most likely wasn't 100%. His line in front of him struggled with injuries too. Because AR wasn't as mobile last season he often was checking the pass rush and not his receivers down field. His receiving corps had issues too. Graham was a disappointment. Allison went on IR, Cobb was hurt more often than not and the rookies were rookies (I'm hoping with better WR coaching they will improve going forward). So other than Adams Rodgers didn't have many targets he felt comfortable with. If the receivers aren't where Rodgers expects them to be and his line is collapsing in the middle it is any wonder he threw it away so much? A better running game might mitigate some of that pass rush but MM abandoned it if it wasn't working. Adams is a nice runner but is he sturdy enough to be the type of back to get the rock a bunch of times? McCarthy's offense was also growing stale. It would be nice to get a bigger back that can get you the tough yards on 3rd and short and hopefully our young WRs will show a lot of improvement this year. Getting at least one guard to shore up the middle of that line wouldn't hurt either.
 
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didn't say anything about keeping rodgers in my post. the point was both parties should have done better.

Well, if the Packers hadn't offered Rodgers a deal at market value they would have risked losing him after next season.

It seems that we disagree on that number but I'm prett sure he deserved to be paid more than Ryan, Cousins, Stafford, Garropolo, Carr and others. In addition you continue to ignore that he was paid less than market value for several seasons before signing his extension.
 
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It would be nice to get a bigger back that can get you the tough yards on 3rd and short and hopefully our young WRs will show a lot of improvement this year.

Williams is capable of getting those tough yards.
 

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No question that, personally, what pro sports entertainers make is so far out of line with what they contribute to others that I cannot ever feel bad about them either losing or giving up large parts of it. I refuse to do anything that will overtly add to the stockpile from which they draw - no game tickets, no memorabilia, no pay-tv. I will take the hit on not being a true fan because I'm not nearly as enthusiastic as I was when rooting for real people who needed second jobs off-season in order to be able to play a game for a living.

That's me. Your last sentence encapsulates what I think would happen if the holders of the truly obscene contracts really wanted to win - fit the missing pieces under the cap by contributing in the only they way they can, take less.

ALL entertainers make ridiculous money. Too bad I wasn't a model so I could have made a fortune turning letters on a game show like Vanna White has all these years or a comedian like Seinfeld so I could make $1M per episode . They make this money because that is what the market will bare. At least we didn't overpay him like Baltimore did with Flacco who they now want to push out the door.
 

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Well, if the Packers hadn't offered Rodgers a deal at market value they would have risked losing him after next season.

It seems that we disagree on that number but I'm pretty sure he deserved to be paid more than Ryan, Cousins, Stafford, Garropolo, Carr and others. In addition you continue to ignore that he was paid less than market value for several seasons before signing his extension.
i'm not ignoring anything. i only wish that the new deal was at market value. again...they settled at ABOVE market value. market value was 28-30. which means he was asking for way more. they not only screwed themselves but everyone in the future by continuing the qb over-pay. it's got to stop. it's proven that outrageous qb money hasn't won anything. it weakens the roster. and anyway...my latest comments were how this statement
“I know this: When I talk to him, the guy wants to win. I think he’s at the point of his career where he’s starting to think about his legacy and what he’s going to leave. The only way you can do that is you better win a world championship. That’s the goal. We’re always going to strive for that. I think that’s where he’s at in his career.”
is contradictory to his contract terms. it did nothing for winning and put a dent in his legacy. to this point his not-winning (SB's) has fallen, 98%, on the Packers' back. going forward the not-winning will mostly be on both parties for this dumb contract. so look for it to be business as usual at 1265. middling (or less) free agents, sweating the cap, and fingers crossed.
 

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Come on....Matt Ryan and Kirk Cousins earn 28-30. AR12 is just better than them.
ryan's been better than rodgers lately but forget the names...think market value. that's where top 10 QB's land now...or did until the Packers felt they had to bump it 10+% to 33.5 for some reason. 6 or so years ago it was 20-22ish.
 

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What's the market value for the best quarterback in the league? Rodgers' ego was going to demand to be the best paid player in the league, at least at the time he signed the contract. Anything less he would take as a slight. He also expressed interest in pushing the boundaries to make things better for all the players in the league. It's probably not the most conducive contract for winning, but there was probably no way around it.
Anyway, it's done now, so they're just going to have to work with it.
 

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I think Aaron much over rated is whole career. His best years crap Qb like lions qb matched his yardage. The super bowl year the packers barely made the playoffs. He has 2 many 3 and outs, made 2 all pro te look like scrubs not throwing to them. Constantly throws offense out of sync trying get a penalty. Aaron solid player but not elite like everyone tries to say he is. If someone could make him aware the clock can’t be wasted and scoring can be achieved without advantage of a penalty he could be elite. As is all I can say is wow few interceptions and never trusted his receivers .
 

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What's the market value for the best quarterback in the league? Rodgers' ego was going to demand to be the best paid player in the league, at least at the time he signed the contract. Anything less he would take as a slight. He also expressed interest in pushing the boundaries to make things better for all the players in the league. It's probably not the most conducive contract for winning, but there was probably no way around it.
Anyway, it's done now, so they're just going to have to work with it.
Rodgers' ego? How about Rodgers' performance demanded he get paid top dollar. I swear we as a fanbase are some of the cheapest people I've ever seen.
 

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I swear we as a fanbase are some of the cheapest people I've ever seen.
I'm all about spending ALL the money, after all, it isn't coming out of my bank account. I might not even be able to afford to buy shoes for these guys!
 

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