Ted Thompson no longer GM

[brandon2348]

uummmm, yesssss

Not sure if you trying to prove my point. They have no chance to be considered because they have a limited understanding of football. Therefore how would they know anything about being a GM or the qualifications/capabilities of any of the candidates?

Well I've never heard nor read anything anywhere that suggests Russ Ball of being good at anything the GM does except do contracts and extend guys. Nobody is raving or has ever raved about Rus Balls having the credentials to build a talented roster which is the GM's main job.

So Russ Ball is some hidden gem that's been stashed in the Packers front office? Is that what you want us to believe?

 

[AmishMafia]

So Russ Ball is some hidden gem that's been stashed in the Packers front office? Is that what you want us to believe?

I don' know. But neither do you. But picking a guy because his dad was nearly as good as TT is foolish.

And you have absolutely no idea how well Wolf or Gute have done in their jobs. Maybe every bust we drafted was a guy Wolf highly touted. Do you know that? Do you know who does? Mark Murphy. He has a bunch of years working with these guys on a daily basis and knows exactly what their capabilities are.

He also understands what qualities a GM needs. Most posters here don't have a real understanding.

So, if Murphy hires Ball, maybe he will succed or maybe he will fail. If he is the choice I think he will be the best bet to succeed. And I will trust Murphy and his vast football knowledge long before I trust a poster's opinion whose analysis is based on recognizing a name.

 

[brandon2348]

I don' know. But neither do you. But picking a guy because his dad was nearly as good as TT is foolish.

And you have absolutely no idea how well Wolf or Gunk have done in their jobs. Maybe every bust we drafted was a guy Wolf highly touted. Do you know that? Do you know who does? Mark Murphy. He has a bunch of years working with these guys on a daily basis and knows exactly what their capabilities are.

He also understands what qualities a GM needs. Most posters here don't have a real understanding.

So, if Murphy hires Ball, maybe he will succed or maybe he will fail. If he is the choice I think he will be the best bet to succeed. And I will trust Murphy and his vast football knowledge long before I trust a poster's opinion whose analysis is based on recognizing a name.

I've named and seen several people name people other then "Russ Ball". In fact the only person that has mentioned "Russ Ball" is Mark Murphy. I haven't heard a single thing from any talking heads, former front office people, social media etc etc. About Russ Ball.

Read between the lines or can you not do that? Its so obvious. This is an attempt to keep TT in play and drafting etc etc while trying to fool fans that "Change has occured".

It's "Fraud"

 

[weeds]

Was Wolf’s book insightful and interesting?

It was. It was geared toward business people. Insights on how he approached rebuilding the Packers organization from the front office down and how those principles would apply to business. It was called The Packer Way.

I loaned it to another Senior Manager and never saw it again. Man, if ya can't trust a banker...

 

[GleefulGary]

I've named and seen several people name people other then "Russ Ball". In fact the only person that has mentioned "Russ Ball" is Mark Murphy. I haven't heard a single thing from any talking heads, former front office people, social media etc etc. About Russ Ball.

Read between the lines or can you not do that? Its so obvious. This is an attempt to keep TT in play and drafting etc etc while trying to fool fans that "Change has occured".

It's "Fraud"

Try to do some research, maybe.

Michael Cohen did two in-depth articles on him quoting coaches, personnel people, and agents. I would suggest reading it.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not there.

 

[AmishMafia]

I've named and seen several people name people other then "Russ Ball". In fact the only person that has mentioned "Russ Ball" is Mark Murphy. I haven't heard a single thing from any talking heads, former front office people, social media etc etc. About Russ Ball.

Based on what exactly? Why have several articles been written about Wolf? Because it's an intriguing story because of who his Dad is. I have no doubt he is very good at what he does, his promotions speak to his accomplished abilities. Just because stories arent written and social media isn't focusing adoration, doesn' mean he isn't the most qualified.

 

[brandon2348]

Try to do some research, maybe.

Michael Cohen did two in-depth articles on him quoting coaches, personnel people, and agents. I would suggest reading it.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not there.

Your never gonna make me believe Russ Ball is the best candidate out there to be the Packers GM. This is the Hail Mary of Hail Mary's and it's fairly obvious.

 

[Spanky]

I'm done following the Packers if Russ Ball is hired.

 

[GleefulGary]

Your never gonna make me believe Russ Ball is the best candidate out there to be the Packers GM. This is the Hail Mary of Hail Mary's and it's fairly obvious.

Well considering I've said I don't think he's the best candidate, I don't know why you would think I'm trying to convince you of that.

I'm just trying to educate you. Fact is, you haven't done any research, have your mind made up, and don't care to learn more. Ball isn't a bad candidate, it's certainly not a Hail Mary. I would suggest you read the Cohen articles. I can even link them for you if you don't know how to find them.

 

[brandon2348]

Well considering I've said I don't think he's the best candidate, I don't know why you would think I'm trying to convince you of that.

I'm just trying to educate you. Fact is, you haven't done any research, have your mind made up, and don't care to learn more. Ball isn't a bad candidate, it's certainly not a Hail Mary. I would suggest you read the Cohen articles. I can even link them for you if you don't know how to find them.

Educate me? Please. You have shown zero clear vision in regards to Thompson or draft talk thus far in our coversing. It's like whatever they do or whoever they draft your gonna try and spin it a certain way. Maybe your right. Maybe I am. Well see. I used to foolishly follow the Packers and Thompson the same way you do and all that "In Ted I Trust" BS. Spare me. These guys have become losers and now there pulling a fast one on everybody but not me.

This feels like draft day and head scratching. Here's to no playoffs for a long time.

 

[AmishMafia]

Well considering I've said I don't think he's the best candidate, I don't know why you would think I'm trying to convince you of that.

I'm just trying to educate you. Fact is, you haven't done any research, have your mind made up, and don't care to learn more. Ball isn't a bad candidate, it's certainly not a Hail Mary. I would suggest you read the Cohen articles. I can even link them for you if you don't know how to find them.

Pretty certain he is talking to me.

Although. I have to admit, if Brandon has Googled it and done his research over the last 30 minutes he probably does know more than Murphy. Despite never meeting with the candidates and only a casual understanding of football, that Google is a powerful tool.

It's one thing to post your opinions on a site, but to get to a point where you are so adament your understanding is so superior to people who have dedicated their lives to football is simply and utterly delusional.


I never thought it would be Ball. But now I'm actually hoping it is.

 

[GleefulGary]

Pretty certain he is talking to me.

Although. I have to admit, if Brandon has Googled it and done his research over the last 30 minutes he probably does know more than Murphy. Despite never meeting with the candidates and only a casual understanding of football, that Google is a powerful tool.

It's one thing to post your opinions on a site, but to get to a point where you are so adament your understanding is so superior to people who have dedicated their lives to football is simply and utterly delusional.


I never thought it would be Ball. But now I'm actually hoping it is.

Your last sentence made me think that you might actually be me. Weird.

 

[GleefulGary]

Educate me? Please. You have shown zero clear vision in regards to Thompson or draft talk thus far in our coversing. It's like whatever they do or whoever they draft your gonna try and spin it a certain way. Maybe your right. Maybe I am. Well see. I used to foolishly follow the Packers and Thompson the same way you do and all that "In Ted I Trust" BS. Spare me. These guys have become losers and now there pulling a fast one on everybody but not me.

This feels like draft day and head scratching. Here's to no playoffs for a long time.

No playoffs for a long time? I would take that bet all day and all night. It's been lovely "coversing" with you, but I don't think I'll continue.

 

[brandon2348]

No playoffs for a long time? I would take that bet all day and all night. It's been lovely "coversing" with you, but I don't think I'll continue.

La La Land

 

[RRyder]

I need clarification on exactly why someone would be adamant on hiring say Elliot Wolf over Russ Ball?

Is there inside information that your privy to regarding the Packers front office?

Have you done in depth evaluations of NFL executives?

Do you think handling the cap isn't nearly as important as it's being made out to be?

Or is it the last name?

All I'm saying is nobody as a freaking clue how good any of these candidates will be so just take a step back and hope they pick the right one

(This is NOT me being for or against any of the internal candidates. Any of the 3 seem like pretty damn good choices. Just that nobody here has a damn clue which is best)

 

[PikeBadger]

Well I've never heard nor read anything anywhere that suggests Russ Ball of being good at anything the GM does except do contracts and extend guys. Nobody is raving or has ever raved about Rus Balls having the credentials to build a talented roster which is the GM's main job.

So Russ Ball is some hidden gem that's been stashed in the Packers front office? Is that what you want us to believe?

You mean like Schneider, McKenzie and Dorsey who never had the credentials to build a talented roster before becoming GM’s?

 

[7thFloorRA]

Those guys all scouted. Ball does not scout and Gutekust and Wolf are both going to split when he gets the job, highsmith already split. That leaves freaking Ted and some guys far down the pipe. All 3 could stay if Wolf is named GM.

 

[Jerellh528]

Any word on how wolf’s interview today went?

 

[brandon2348]

Pretty certain he is talking to me.

Although. I have to admit, if Brandon has Googled it and done his research over the last 30 minutes he probably does know more than Murphy. Despite never meeting with the candidates and only a casual understanding of football, that Google is a powerful tool.

It's one thing to post your opinions on a site, but to get to a point where you are so adament your understanding is so superior to people who have dedicated their lives to football is simply and utterly delusional.


I never thought it would be Ball. But now I'm actually hoping it is.

Of course you do because you want Thompson to still run the draft and still be heavily involved in personnel moves.

I don't want a Thompson/Ball combo because IMO it just leads to the same old same old. It has nothing to do with liking or not liking Ball or the "Cohen Articles". You guys obviously can't figure that out. I want Thompson out on a boat somewhere watching tape on his time off. I do not want him influencing the direction of this team any longer like I believe he will be able to with ball. It's that simple.

I also don't want to lose our young talent in the front office for another upcoming failed Thompson campaign. You guys need to get a serious grip and understand the magnitude of this.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

I need clarification on exactly why someone would be adamant on hiring say Elliot Wolf over Russ Ball?

Is there inside information that your privy to regarding the Packers front office?

Have you done in depth evaluations of NFL executives?

Do you think handling the cap isn't nearly as important as it's being made out to be?

Or is it the last name?

All I'm saying is nobody as a freaking clue how good any of these candidates will be so just take a step back and hope they pick the right one

(This is NOT me being for or against any of the internal candidates. Any of the 3 seem like pretty damn good choices. Just that nobody here has a damn clue which is best)

Are you Russ balls dad?

 

[Mike McCarthy]

A place to post anything and everything Russ Ball related. What y’all think about Wisconsin’s most interesting man?

 

[Footballguy1778]

First post on this board. Migrating over from Packerchatters....

I think it seems like Russ Ball has the inside track on the GM job. Here are my thoughts...
1. None of us have heard the guy speak because he has been forbidden to talk to the media because of the fact that he negotiates player contacts. So for all we know he's the greatest GM ever.

2. I am not buying any sort of conspiracy theory that making Ball GM is some backdoor way to keep TT as GM. That's non-sense. Last I checked the Packers had a waiting list for season tickets larger than Lambeau field. They dont need to appease the fans. This is a genuine move. Ted will be an advisor and spend the vast majority of his time on the road scouting players. Ball would not be a puppet.

3. Russ Ball has negotiated very club and cap friendly deals with both internal and external free agents. By all accounts has a very good reputation not only within 1265, but with agents across the league. It takes a good eye for talent to know what a guy is worth and what they will sign for and what they can get elsewhere. He might not be a scout or a personel guy, but this guy is very versed in what talent is and what it is worth. There is a reason that he is being given serious consideration for this job.

4. Russ Ball has worked in a variety of roles across the league. Not JUST cap management.

5. Maybe the weakness that Ted had as GM was that he was too invested in the guys that he personally scouted and he "overthought" the picks. Maybe what the Packers need a is a guy that has proven to be a good decision maker, has a good eye for players worth and the ability to formulate a good personel department. Then listen to their input and make a sound decision from a value standpoint and not from a personal evaluation standpoint? John Lynch was not a scout. He seems to be doing ok rebuilding the 49ers. Jerry Jones has no scouting background and frankly Im sure there are many others. You dont have to be in the personel evaluation department to know whats good for a team.

With all this said, I'm totally open to other candidates too. Just let's keep an open mind.

 

[swhitset]

Your never gonna make me believe Russ Ball is the best candidate out there to be the Packers GM. This is the Hail Mary of Hail Mary's and it's fairly obvious.

fortunately.... convincing you is not required lol.

 

[Spanky]

The number one requirement of a football GM is to be able to evaluate talent. Russ Ball has no meaningful experience doing that. He is not qualified at this time to be a GM in the NFL.

 

[brandon2348]

The number one requirement of a football GM is to be able to evaluate talent. Russ Ball has no meaningful experience doing that. He is not qualified at this time to be a GM in the NFL.

It's because it's a dog and pony show amongst other things. They hide Thompson behind a new title while Ball does contracts and talks to media like he is calling all the shots.