Ted Thompson no longer GM

[brandon2348]

fortunately.... convincing you is not required lol.

Well get used to losing buddy. Aaron can only save this team so much and he will get tired of all the crap eventually too.

 

[swhitset]

Pretty certain he is talking to me.

Although. I have to admit, if Brandon has Googled it and done his research over the last 30 minutes he probably does know more than Murphy. Despite never meeting with the candidates and only a casual understanding of football, that Google is a powerful tool.

It's one thing to post your opinions on a site, but to get to a point where you are so adament your understanding is so superior to people who have dedicated their lives to football is simply and utterly delusional.


I never thought it would be Ball. But now I'm actually hoping it is.

Funny... how I'm feeling the same.... I really have no idea whether Ball would be a good choice or not... but after reading this thread I've found myself supporting him.... crazy I know.

 

[brandon2348]

You know what I think. I believe it's nothing more then a ploy to still have Thompson draft and handle personnel and Ball is nothing more then a front man that does contracts and handle media. A true "Yes Man" is what we have here.

What's funny is some will point to the "Cohen Articles" and say that us fans are stupid and don't know anything even though there is no evidence of Russ Ball ever being heavily involved in any serious talent evaluation. These are the same people that are Thompson apologists over the years. Funny how they just "Love" Russ Ball all the sudden like he has been some secret top notch underground scout all these years.

It's a bunch of 1st degree BS and I've had just about enough.

 

[Snoops]

If they hire him ABSOLUTELY nothing will change whatsoever especially in player acquisition.. although good at money and cap space he has no personall experienc.. basically would be the same thing we had with Ted Thompson calling the shots.. if any one in house I would be ok with Eliot or Brian but I would prefer someone outside the organization

 

[Snoops]

You know what I think. I believe it's nothing more then a ploy to still have Thompson draft and handle personnel and Ball is nothing more then a front man that does contracts and handle media. A true "Yes Man" is what we have here.

What's funny is some will point to the "Cohen Articles" and say that us fans are stupid and don't know anything even though there is no evidence of Russ Ball ever being heavily involved in any serious talent evaluation. These are the same people that are Thompson apologists over the years. Funny how they just "Love" Russ Ball all the sudden like he has been some secret top notch underground scout all these years.

It's a bunch of 1st degree BS and I've had just about enough.

So spot on I think u nailed it for real I was thinkin the same thing

 

[AmishMafia]

[Moved from thread titled "Russ Ball"]

Couple of thoughts:

I checked on social media and nothing said he was going to be a great GM. Therefore he must suck.

He was probably teased as a kid about oxidizing *********.

Some people are such self entitled narcitists that they think the Packer front office is so concerned with their opinion that they would concoct a huge consipricy so that TT could secretly continue to run the Packers and trick them.

 

[lambeaulambo]

So...if what I am hearing Of this guy, he was responsible for last years free agents....er...paddlehands....NO!!! He is part of the problem and not the solution

 

[Spanky]

It's because it's a dog and pony show amongst other things. They hide Thompson behind a new title while Ball does contracts and talks to media like he is calling all the shots.

Agreed. Russ Ball will be TT's lackey.

 

[lambeaulambo]

A place to post anything and everything Russ Ball related. What y’all think about Wisconsin’s most interesting man?

Its all about philosophy...and pad level at the combine...

 

[HardRightEdge]

Some people are such self entitled narcitists that they think the Packer front office is so concerned with their opinion that they would concoct a huge consipricy so that TT could secretly continue to run the Packers and trick them.

Yeah, I mean really. It's pretty obvious being kicked upstairs, or sideways into some well appointed closet with a nice "thank you for your service" paycheck.

 

[AmishMafia]

Its all about philosophy...and pad level at the combine...

Maybe our GM search ishould be going through executives at Johnson and Johnson. Experts on pad level.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Mark Murphy's press conference was revealing....he talked almost with an edge to his comments as if annoyed with the situation the org is in. To me, this man is the architect of some of this longevity of incompetence....Russ Ball is another TT.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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[brandon2348]

Mark Murphy's press conference was revealing....he talked almost with an edge to his comments as if annoyed with the situation the org is in. To me, this man is the architect of some of this longevity of incompetence....Russ Ball is another TT.

Murphy's presser is where I started going left on the whole thing. As I posted in another thread he came across as hesitant and lacking confidence. There was a certain level of nervousness about him as well like he was pushing everything out. All the excitement and relief of TT being removed from GM started to go away from that point on. Now it turns out Ball has the inside track to be the GM and it feels almost just like it did before the news of TT supposedly being removed from the position(which he still is currently).

Of the 20 or more names I've seen on here and other places of possible replacements it 's my opinion that Russ Ball would be the worse and present the greatest chance of failure as it would just be back to same old same old. Why some people want the franchise to continue to go backwards actually blows me away. I really don't understand how someone turns that into I am creating a conspiracy or being a narcissist etc etc over an opinion that has valid reason for concern.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Never know how this will shake out and I do believe the media and fans will play up the drama of it, probably more than it deserves. But it is starting to feel a bit like Favregate.

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

What is “Favregate”?

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

First post on this board. Migrating over from Packerchatters....

I think it seems like Russ Ball has the inside track on the GM job. Here are my thoughts...
1. None of us have heard the guy speak because he has been forbidden to talk to the media because of the fact that he negotiates player contacts. So for all we know he's the greatest GM ever.

2. I am not buying any sort of conspiracy theory that making Ball GM is some backdoor way to keep TT as GM. That's non-sense. Last I checked the Packers had a waiting list for season tickets larger than Lambeau field. They dont need to appease the fans. This is a genuine move. Ted will be an advisor and spend the vast majority of his time on the road scouting players. Ball would not be a puppet.

3. Russ Ball has negotiated very club and cap friendly deals with both internal and external free agents. By all accounts has a very good reputation not only within 1265, but with agents across the league. It takes a good eye for talent to know what a guy is worth and what they will sign for and what they can get elsewhere. He might not be a scout or a personel guy, but this guy is very versed in what talent is and what it is worth. There is a reason that he is being given serious consideration for this job.

4. Russ Ball has worked in a variety of roles across the league. Not JUST cap management.

5. Maybe the weakness that Ted had as GM was that he was too invested in the guys that he personally scouted and he "overthought" the picks. Maybe what the Packers need a is a guy that has proven to be a good decision maker, has a good eye for players worth and the ability to formulate a good personel department. Then listen to their input and make a sound decision from a value standpoint and not from a personal evaluation standpoint? John Lynch was not a scout. He seems to be doing ok rebuilding the 49ers. Jerry Jones has no scouting background and frankly Im sure there are many others. You dont have to be in the personel evaluation department to know whats good for a team.

With all this said, I'm totally open to other candidates too. Just let's keep an open mind.

Are YOU Russ Balls` Dad ???

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Until and IF Russ Ball joins the Packers, I don`t think he needs his own thread just yet. I`m merging it with the GM discussion we already have.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

What's not known:

If Russ Ball will be the next Packer GM or not.

Whether Russ ball would be a successful GM or not.


What is known:

Some people have made up their minds on one or both of the above already.


I'll just wait and see what happens. Like everyone else here, I have no say in the matter, so I might as well just R-E-L-A-X.

 

[PikeBadger]

It was. It was geared toward business people. Insights on how he approached rebuilding the Packers organization from the front office down and how those principles would apply to business. It was called The Packer Way.

I loaned it to another Senior Manager and never saw it again. Man, if ya can't trust a banker...

Were you able to derive insights of the thought process involving draft process and player acquisition strategies?

 

[VegasPacker]

Russ Ball aka "Ted Thompson version 2.0" would be disastrous for this organization. You NEVER put a NON personnel, NON football guy in a GM role....EVER. Russ Ball has his place, and that's STRICTLY as the "numbers" bean counter guy. Your GM is who builds your football team, the one who seeks out and scouts the talent as it pertains to players and coaches.

Eliot Wolf is the most deserving and most qualified guy on this staff to take over as GM. He also just happens to have the pedigree to go along with it. He's literally grown up in this organization and has been groomed for this role since day 1.

It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out. But with the wrong hire at this EXTREMELY important position, there will be a lot of people's jobs on the line if the right man isn't chosen. Now is certainly not the time to be hiring a bean counter and low baller as your GM, when the window to win more titles is NOW! Rodgers has a roughly 5 year window of greatness left. It would be a damn shame if this organization continues to **** away a truly golden opportunity to cash in on more titles. Ted Thompson destroyed the chances of Rodgers having multiple trophies by playing it safe and close to the vest for the last 8 years. If Russ Ball is hired, Rodgers may as well call it a career now, because he can wave any chance of this organization building a power house for the next 5 years goodbye.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Russ Ball aka "Ted Thompson version 2.0" would be disastrous for this organization. You NEVER put a NON personnel, NON football guy in a GM role....EVER. Russ Ball has his place, and that's STRICTLY as the "numbers" bean counter guy. Your GM is who builds your football team, the one who seeks out and scouts the talent as it pertains to players and coaches.

Eliot Wolf is the most deserving and most qualified guy on this staff to take over as GM. He also just happens to have the pedigree to go along with it. He's literally grown up in this organization and has been groomed for this role since day 1.

It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out. But with the wrong hire at this EXTREMELY important position, there will be a lot of people's jobs on the line if the right man isn't chosen. Now is certainly not the time to be hiring a bean counter and low baller as your GM, when the window to win more titles is NOW! Rodgers has a roughly 5 year window of greatness left. It would be a damn shame if this organization continues to **** away a truly golden opportunity to cash in on more titles. Ted Thompson destroyed the chances of Rodgers having multiple trophies by playing it safe and close to the vest for the last 8 years. If Russ Ball is hired, Rodgers may as well call it a career now, because he can wave any chance of this organization building a power house for the next 5 years goodbye.

If Ball is named GM, Murphy should unequivocally be held accountable for the failure of this organization since he was named CEO. I can easily see us becoming the Browns with Ball as GM.

 

[AmishMafia]

The number one requirement of a football GM is to be able to evaluate talent. Russ Ball has no meaningful experience doing that. He is not qualified at this time to be a GM in the NFL.

The #1 requirement of a GM is to put the Packers in the best position to win a Superbowl. TT was heavy into player evaluations, more than most GMs. There is a staff of 20 talent evaluators on the Packers who evaluate all the prospects. Whether the GM fine tunes it is not a major factor.

It's because it's a dog and pony show amongst other things. They hide Thompson behind a new title while Ball does contracts and talks to media like he is calling all the shots.

I wish this was the case. Unfortunately, I am of the opinion that TT is not well. He just doesn't look healthy lately.

He still is a very valuable asset to the Packers. I know he is the arch enemy of many, but you don't get it. Right now there is no one who has the level of respect that TT does thought the NFL and college ranks. He is well known for being honest and direct. He has contacts with every team. He gets the straight story when he asks questions.

College coaches play a tough game with the NFL. The more kids they get in the easier recruiting is. They can BS a scout or GM and get a kid drafted when they know he is a head case or a moron and will never suceed. TT knows everybody and is more likely to get the truth or details others are not getting. Did you see Draft Day? Stupid movie, but it depicted this kind of thing fairly.

Well get used to losing buddy. Aaron can only save this team so much and he will get tired of all the crap eventually too.

Some people tend to be fans of the QB and not of the Packers. I was a Favre fan until he thought he was greater than the team and it was seriously hurting the Packer organization. I see history repeating itself with Rodgers. Damn shame.

 

[Hands]

From all that I have read the one aspect that I think is important is player evaluation. The one guy that hasn't received any ink at this site or any others is Doug Whaley. I'm not sure what his issues are and why it didn't work in Buffalo, but the guy knows talent and above all else.....that might be the most important aspect of the position. You can always have a Russ Ball to do the cap, but if you don't pick the right players, you're wasting money.

 

[PackerDNA]

Maybe our GM search ishould be going through executives at Johnson and Johnson. Experts on pad level.

LMAO! I see what you did there, Amish.