Studs n Duds vs The Bears

[Zartan]

Surprised no one made this yet.

Also where did LTF go hes usually on the ball with these.

Duds

Whatever the frak was that defensive stance on that last play.

Studs
McMannis is a good kicker glad we got him

 

[adambr2]

Duds: Matt Lafleur (clock management) and Jeff Hafley (defense on the last play)

Help me understand how you can put this defense out there and leave the middle of the field this wide open with no pass rush when they need 15 yards to get in FG range.

The only defensible reason is that you really didn’t care if you won this game and you wanted not to put your “real scheme” on film for the playoffs. I don’t believe that was the case.

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[gopkrs]

Nixon made some good plays. Bullard played better this week. The d came to play. The running game was pretty good. But receivers weren't getting open...again. Special teams were bad.

 

[OldSchool101]

2 fumbles hurt.
1 turnover at midfield
1 turnover returned to our 21-Redzone

We got the one back late in the game (Valentine). But that Reed Turnover reminded me of Mercedes Lewis in the flat in postseason. These teams are intentional going after the ball so you gotta cover that ball better.

The Return TD was a failure of the punter to communicate what 1/3 of the field he’s aiming. That in itself would’ve avoided this mess. I will offer though Bears had both a block in the back AND holding on that play. Both players were closest to the Return and both were interfered. It would be ok if you let them play which I agree with. But they didn’t, Refs called holding on us several times (Bears 2-point fail) that were less noticeable. The closest guys
Blocking in the back (once changed directions realizing a fake he got jammed in the back)
Holding (arm bar hook and #86 tried to fight it off but he was waiving 1 arm to contest because the other arm was being locked up with an arm triangle. Listen no big deal we played like crap, but that was 7 points due two missed calls and either or should bring it back.

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[Voyageur]

This game was lost be LeFleur through his horrendous clock management. How many times have we seen this during the course of this season? If he can't handle it, he needs to get one of his assistants to make those game changing decisions at the end of games.

Then there's his statement that they were pushing to play error free football. Don't make stupid mistakes. So, right off the bat, what happens? Stupid decision made by the entire punt team. No matter how good a team is, these problems will destroy championship runs. Today there were several big plays called back because of dumb mistakes.

Let's hope they do some serious soul searching before next Sunday.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Duds:

- MLF for almost every decision he made on Sunday, starting with playing his starters. I am not someone wanting Matt fired, I believe he is a very good coach, but either he becomes the OC and someone else is the HC or he hands the OC hat over to someone else. He has proven that he can't do both jobs effectively.

- 3rd/4th Down Defense: Time and time again, Hafley and his defense can't get off the field, because they can't make a stop when it counts. Put some damn pressure on the QB!

- Special Teams: 17 games in and they are still making stupid mistakes. Teams are smart to force the Packers to return kicks (kick short of EZ), odds are they will commit a penalty during the play. Bears pull off the fake punt return for a TD, again! JFC Bisaccia, this isn't High School Football, prepare your units for everything!

This game was just what I feared. A half-assed performance using starters and even worse, getting 2 key starters injured. The loss in the W-L column is meaningless, as would a win have been.

Anyone including MLF that said "We want to play the starters to keep our momentum going and establish a good rhythm", how do you feel now?

Smart teams sat their starters on Sunday, sadly the Packers were not amongst those teams.

 

[tynimiller]

I’m first to admit and have said it was a BONE HEAD MOVE to play our biggest most crucial guys.

But whatever few thoughts now that I had initially and rewatch of All22 confirmed most of these:

STUDS

- Offensive Line had a freaking DAY, seriously they controlled the day and I firmly believe had they had Jacobs and no QB switch up due to injury change plans we win the day easily. Rhyan may have had his best game, Jenkins looked like his old self and Tom and Walker again solid.

- Oladapo with his first real big snap count on defense game went honestly pretty good - be surprised if he didn’t grade out by PFF over 70.

- Valentine is growing in his second year and there could be a CB2 in that guy that you can county on.

- Slaton was a beast on his limited snaps.

DUD

- I’ll go to my grave saying there was next to no difference in the challenge of being a 6th seed or 7th seed. Sit Love, Gary, Jacobs, Watson, Kraft and others - the juice is not worth the squeeze IMO - failure by organization decision makers.

- Time management at end of game was AUTROCIOUS. Unforgivable really, not saying fire MLF but I hope management told him he has to have a staff member be able to chime in and remind him about time stuff because that illustrated he cannot handle that and the play calling all at once.

- ST coverage, the return was blown partially by us and partially by a guy able to literally do all but tackle a guy but I’m just not happy with Rich’s coverage team discipline overall this game.

- Bullard doesn’t get a stud but an improved nod/mention.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Silver Lining of the Loss: With the W, the Bears finished at 5-12. This means they are in the 10th position of the draft for the only 3 rounds that they still had their own picks in. (Picks #10, 41 & 72). Had the Bears lost, they would have tied for the 4th worst record with 3 other teams and depending on tie breakers, may have had the 4th pick in each of the 1st 3 rounds.

 

[Zartan]

Duds: Matt Lafleur (clock management) and Jeff Hafley (defense on the last play)

Help me understand how you can put this defense out there and leave the middle of the field this wide open with no pass rush when they need 15 yards to get in FG range.

The only defensible reason is that you really didn’t care if you won this game and you wanted not to put your “real scheme” on film for the playoffs. I don’t believe that was the case.

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Its so frustrating. I can understand if they needed a TD and wanted to prevent anything crazy from happening but they dident.

Why dident they shift whoever was on the far right behind the other two and have him be smack dab in the center.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Stud-The initial defense.

Duds-where do I begin? The injuries. I wouldn't be surprised if Watson tore his ACL. The offense and the offensive play calling. The Defense later in the game.

This is another game that I didn't feel like the team was ready or excited to get ready for the playoffs.

 

[Magooch]

Studs:

Once again I have to give a shoutout to Cooper. I believe he was the highest-graded player in the game (both sides) per PFF. If he can maintain his current form over a whole season going forward, we have ourselves a gem. It's not hyperbole to say that over the last month or so he has been the best linebacker in the league.

Valentine continues to develop really nicely. He's not that #1 shutdown guy (and I don't know if he ever will be) but IMO he's getting to a point where he can be a perfectly serviceable/reliable starter. We still need to add to our CB group but he's been a small bright spot. In that regard I think Nixon has quietly shown improvement over the course of the season as well.

McManus continues to be a great addition with just one missed kick all year for us. By all accounts he should've won us the game yesterday with a 55-yarder and if not for mismanaging the game situation (see Duds, lol) he would have

Duds:

Coaching - we looked like we got out-coached on offense, out-coached in special teams, and out-coached in defense (when it counted). In what is becoming a concerning trend it feels like more and more frequently I'm coming away from games feeling like we had the talent/players to win and lost because we got out-coached. LaFleur's late-game situational awareness/management was Eberflus levels of bad. I continue to find myself feeling more and more convinced that at minimum he should be "outsourcing" more responsibilities as it seems like it is simply too much for him to handle it all right now.

Some of these issues (for instance, LaFleur and Bisaccia seemingly not being on the same page re: McManus' range; Hafley's defense on the last few plays) would be somewhat excusable if we were in September or something but to have them persisting in 18 is alarming, to say the least.

Our "big money" players continue to largely underwhelm. In general we have a lot of good or above-average players but right now it feels like we are solely lacking for "game-changing" players, if that makes sense. I really like Love but still feel like I'm not entirely sure what we have in him exactly. Played 5 series yesterday and averaged something like 5-6 yards per attempt. ~70 yards, no TD, and 1/3 on 3rd down. I guess he realized Toyotathon ended? Our passing game has seemed particularly slow to find rhythm recently and it's awfully hard to see us going anywhere unless Love catches fire again.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I’m first to admit and have said it was a BONE HEAD MOVE to play our biggest most crucial guys.

But whatever few thoughts now that I had initially and rewatch of All22 confirmed most of these:

STUDS

- Offensive Line had a freaking DAY, seriously they controlled the day and I firmly believe had they had Jacobs and no QB switch up due to injury change plans we win the day easily. Rhyan may have had his best game, Jenkins looked like his old self and Tom and Walker again solid.

- Oladapo with his first real big snap count on defense game went honestly pretty good - be surprised if he didn’t grade out by PFF over 70.

- Valentine is growing in his second year and there could be a CB2 in that guy that you can county on.

- Slaton was a beast on his limited snaps.

DUD

- I’ll go to my grave saying there was next to no difference in the challenge of being a 6th seed or 7th seed. Sit Love, Gary, Jacobs, Watson, Kraft and others - the juice is not worth the squeeze IMO - failure by organization decision makers.

- Time management at end of game was AUTROCIOUS. Unforgivable really, not saying fire MLF but I hope management told him he has to have a staff member be able to chime in and remind him about time stuff because that illustrated he cannot handle that and the play calling all at once.

- ST coverage, the return was blown partially by us and partially by a guy able to literally do all but tackle a guy but I’m just not happy with Rich’s coverage team discipline overall this game.

- Bullard doesn’t get a stud but an improved nod/mention.

Good point about time management but who is going to supervise MLF? Murphy is a hands off guy and on the way out. Gute could be that guy but there's been no indication that he second guesses MLF and makes corrections. Perhaps that's why we see MLF continue to make dumb decisions over and over again. He may not have effective oversight that hampers his devopment as a HC. I like MLF as an offensive coordinator. Just look at the job he did with Willis. Unfortunately, his decision making during the games is creating nsurmountable blunders.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

An underlying theme of this loss and a few others this season, at least in this forum, has focused on "bad decisions by MLF". Are we all overreacting? I personally don't think so. What has also really put those decisions under the spotlight are opposing coaches. Time and time again we have seen coaches on the other sideline make equally bad decisions (Eberflus). More importantly, we have faced a lot of coaches that just outcoached Matt for the whole game (Campbell and O'Connell).

All that said, fans are going to "fan", but I can't help but think of how the Packer players feel about their coaching staff. It is one thing when players let each other down, but there has to be some grumbling and discontent amongst the players. Players that put their all out on the field and lose due to mistakes by the coaches.

Again, I am not calling for MLF to be fired, but it's time for him to identify, admit to and fix his weaknesses. Either hand the play calling and time management to others or step down from the HC job and just be the OC that he seems to want to be.

 

[OOMPA Tailgate]

Silver Lining of the Loss: With the W, the Bears finished at 5-12. This means they are in the 10th position of the draft for the only 3 rounds that they still had their own picks in. (Picks #10, 41 & 72). Had the Bears lost, they would have tied for the 4th worst record with 3 other teams and depending on tie breakers, may have had the 4th pick in each of the 1st 3 rounds.

I think that "silver" is a bit more brown and stinky

 

[OOMPA Tailgate]

Good point about time management but who is going to supervise MLF? Murphy is a hands off guy and on the way out. Gute could be that guy but there's been no indication that he second guesses MLF and makes corrections. Perhaps that's why we see MLF continue to make dumb decisions over and over again. He may not have effective oversight that hampers his devopment as a HC. I like MLF as an offensive coordinator. Just look at the job he did with Willis. Unfortunately, his decision making during the games is creating nsurmountable blunders.

who's is going to supervise MLF?

His mom but she could have done a better job

 

[Pugger]

Nixon made some good plays. Bullard played better this week. The d came to play. The running game was pretty good. But receivers weren't getting open...again. Special teams were bad.

I didn't get to see the game down here. Other than that crazy punt return for a TD how did ST perform?

 

[gopkrs]

I didn't get to see the game down here. Other than that crazy punt return for a TD how did ST perform?

Not good. The bears ran back kick offs really well because we were missing the runner at the first attempt and giving him space to choose his lane. They were close to breaking them imho.

 

[Pugger]

This game was lost be LeFleur through his horrendous clock management. How many times have we seen this during the course of this season? If he can't handle it, he needs to get one of his assistants to make those game changing decisions at the end of games.

Then there's his statement that they were pushing to play error free football. Don't make stupid mistakes. So, right off the bat, what happens? Stupid decision made by the entire punt team. No matter how good a team is, these problems will destroy championship runs. Today there were several big plays called back because of dumb mistakes.

Let's hope they do some serious soul searching before next Sunday.Sunday.

Mistakes by players and screwups by coaches have been happening all season so I have a feeling we may see things like this again next week.

Prove me wrong guys!

 

[OOMPA Tailgate]

2 fumbles hurt.
1 turnover at midfield
1 turnover returned to our 21-Redzone

We got the one back late in the game (Valentine). But that Reed Turnover reminded me of Mercedes Lewis in the flat in postseason. These teams are intentional going after the ball so you gotta cover that ball better.

The Return TD was a failure of the punter to communicate what 1/3 of the field he’s aiming. That in itself would’ve avoided this mess. I will offer though Bears had both a block in the back AND holding on that play. Both players were closest to the Return and both were interfered. It would be ok if you let them play which I agree with. But they didn’t, Refs called holding on us several times (Bears 2-point fail) that were less noticeable. The closest guys
Blocking in the back (once changed directions realizing a fake he got jammed in the back)
Holding (arm bar hook and #86 tried to fight it off but he was waiving 1 arm to contest because the other arm was being locked up with an arm triangle. Listen no big deal we played like crap, but that was 7 points due two missed calls and either or should bring it back.

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As much as despise the nfl officials ; and they as usual (those 85+ yr olds should be put to pasture; I am 65+) did have their usual foibles.

But this game you cannot blame them - this was on Mike LaFlatuence.

Vince? Where are you?!

Dan Campbell is the coach of the Lions? A crippled team won.
I'd rather have Glen Campbell as our coach

 

[OOMPA Tailgate]

Mistakes by players and screwups by coaches have been happening all season so I have a feeling we may see things like this again next week.

Prove me wrong guys!

Call up a local FM radio station here in Milw ; and they will try or hang up on you. Am in the same camp as you.

Am hoping Ch6 (in SE wis) will interrupt the game with "Heidi" the movie on Saturday

 

[Pugger]

Duds:

- MLF for almost every decision he made on Sunday, starting with playing his starters. I am not someone wanting Matt fired, I believe he is a very good coach, but either he becomes the OC and someone else is the HC or he hands the OC hat over to someone else. He has proven that he can't do both jobs effectively.

- 3rd/4th Down Defense: Time and time again, Hafley and his defense can't get off the field, because they can't make a stop when it counts. Put some damn pressure on the QB!

- Special Teams: 17 games in and they are still making stupid mistakes. Teams are smart to force the Packers to return kicks (kick short of EZ), odds are they will commit a penalty during the play. Bears pull off the fake punt return for a TD, again! JFC Bisaccia, this isn't High School Football, prepare your units for everything!

This game was just what I feared. A half-assed performance using starters and even worse, getting 2 key starters injured. The loss in the W-L column is meaningless, as would a win have been.

Anyone including MLF that said "We want to play the starters to keep our momentum going and establish a good rhythm", how do you feel now?

Smart teams sat their starters on Sunday, sadly the Packers were not amongst those teams.

I can kinda see why we played starters. We had a chance to nab the #6 seed ( of course once Washington won it didn't matter). I think Love will be okay. Who among us is surprised about Watson getting hurt yet again? Not having Doubs may have been a reason why Watson played. It is glaringly evident we need a true #1 WR who can consistently get open and keep opposing DCs up at night.

 

[Pugger]

Stud-The initial defense.

Duds-where do I begin? The injuries. I wouldn't be surprised if Watson tore his ACL. The offense and the offensive play calling. The Defense later in the game.

This is another game that I didn't feel like the team was ready or excited to get ready for the playoffs.

How many times have we lamented about the team not being ready to play?? This is quite an indictment on our HC and his staff. Inexcusable, frankly.

 

[PackerDNA]

This team is not as ready for the playoffs as last year's team. Disappointing, with the improvement expected from last year to this. Way too many issues and problems to expect success next week.

 

[Pugger]

An underlying theme of this loss and a few others this season, at least in this forum, has focused on "bad decisions by MLF". Are we all overreacting? I personally don't think so. What has also really put those decisions under the spotlight are opposing coaches. Time and time again we have seen coaches on the other sideline make equally bad decisions (Eberflus). More importantly, we have faced a lot of coaches that just outcoached Matt for the whole game (Campbell and O'Connell).

All that said, fans are going to "fan", but I can't help but think of how the Packer players feel about their coaching staff. It is one thing when players let each other down, but there has to be some grumbling and discontent amongst the players. Players that put their all out on the field and lose due to mistakes by the coaches.

Again, I am not calling for MLF to be fired, but it's time for him to identify, admit to and fix his weaknesses. Either hand the play calling and time management to others or step down from the HC job and just be the OC that he seems to want to be.

If we are suggesting MLF needs supervision then he really is not HC material. I hate saying it cuz I personally like the guy but his players and staff shouldn't be messing up like this is week 18.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can kinda see why we played starters. We had a chance to nab the #6 seed ( of course once Washington won it didn't matter). I think Love will be okay. Who among us is surprised about Watson getting hurt yet again? Not having Doubs may have been a reason why Watson played. It is glaringly evident we need a true #1 WR who can consistently get open and keep opposing DCs up at night.

I am going to disagree, which I did way before the game was played.

Even had the Packers controlled their own destiny with a win, which they didn't, moving up from 7 to 6 for me wasn't worth risking injuries. I would have rested all my top starters and not risked injuries.

Watson was coming off an injury, playing him was plain and simple...stupid IMO. Should have given him another week of rest.

Love's injury, whether it was just a scare or something that will effect his play against the Eagles (if he can play) goes to show you what can happen, on any given play.

Sorry, nobody can EVER convince me that the Packers should have played their most important starters yesterday. The results proved my point and even had the Packers won, my point would have been correct.