Shout Box Archive Thread

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Jun 13, 2014 9:09 PM - Vltrophy: Former HC Chuck Knoll of the Steelers died.
Jun 13, 2014 9:09 PM - Vltrophy: Condolences to his family
Jun 14, 2014 5:49 AM - Vltrophy: Chuck Noll my bad. Not knoll
Jun 14, 2014 6:48 PM - Greenbayphil: Knoll, classic mistake. Lived to a good age, will always be remembered. RIP Chuck.

 

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Jun 15, 2014 at 12:13 AM - Zartan: Another reason to beat the **** out of the lions this season
Jun 15, 2014 at 12:13 AM - Zartan: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...wl-champs-and-lombardi-trophy-tattooed-on-leg
Jun 15, 2014 at 1:34 AM - longtimefan: I drive for Uber on weekends.. Picked up Rodgers at a Milw bar... He is excited for Peppers being here.. Loves him for the leadership and team mate he is
Jun 15, 2014 at 5:43 AM - 7thFloorRA: Did you pick him up at that steakhouse all the o-line was at last night? They were blowing up twitter with their dinner pics
Jun 15, 2014 at 10:33 AM - Vltrophy: Hafta check out twitter for the pics
Jun 15, 2014 at 10:57 AM - longtimefan: He was at taylors bar in milwaukee
Jun 15, 2014 at 11:04 AM - longtimefan: https://twitter.com/longtimefan/status/478072218505588736
Jun 15, 2014 at 11:36 AM - longtimefan: Happy fathers day to all the dads!!
Jun 15, 2014 at 2:25 PM - Green and Gold: Only we know that prideful feeling of seeing our own dawn the Green and Yellow for the first time. GoPackGo!
Jun 15, 2014 at 6:40 PM - Zartan: Anyone watching the NBA Finals?
Jun 15, 2014 at 6:41 PM - Zartan: All I know is some dudes guarantee to win it all.
Jun 15, 2014 at 6:59 PM - Zartan: Sucks Hockey is over for the season. I wished Kings Rangers series was exciting like Kings Blackhawks series. That was fun
Jun 15, 2014 at 7:01 PM - Zartan: I guess Ill watch the USA World Cup game tomorrow I guess.
Jun 15, 2014 at 8:42 PM - Vltrophy: Spurs came to play tonight

 

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Jun 16, 2014 1:18 AM - Zartan: That they did. I caught it when they were going on that run in the 3rd qtr.
Jun 16, 2014 5:21 AM - Vltrophy: Casey Kasem dead at 82. Condolences to his family & friends
Jun 16, 2014 8:36 AM - Vltrophy: They say it comes in 3's. Tony Gwen has died at the age of 54. Condolences to his friends & family as well
Jun 16, 2014 8:37 AM - Vltrophy: Public showing of former HC Chuck Noll is today
Jun 16, 2014 3:57 PM - Zartan: Man alot of good people are dieing as of late.
Jun 16, 2014 3:57 PM - Zartan: All comes in groups too and in june
Jun 16, 2014 3:58 PM - Zartan: When Michael Jackson died. That week or so Farrah Fawcett died then MJ and Billy Mays
Jun 16, 2014 5:02 PM - Zartan: WOOT USA Won!!!
Jun 16, 2014 5:04 PM - gatorpack: USA played that D!!!!
Jun 16, 2014 6:40 PM - Zartan: Well ****. Well this day turned out to be one of the worst days in my life...

 

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Jun 17, 2014 6:40 AM - Vltrophy: USA got the W next is Portugal. As long as we don't look past them we should win
Jun 17, 2014 1:55 PM - easyk83: Well Zartan there is some good news, we did get that ******* who planned the attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi. Delta Force FTW!

 

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Jun 18, 2014 9:21 AM - Green and Gold: Looking back at all the games that have been held in the UK since 2007 they have been host to the Bears, Vikings and this year they have the Lions... Will the Packers ever go?
Jun 18, 2014 12:10 PM - Raptorman: Heading up to the Green Bay area next week. Appleton actually. Anyone up there want to meet up for a beer and talk face to face let me know.
Jun 18, 2014 12:10 PM - Vltrophy: RB Jonathon Franklin could possibly have a career ending neck injury
Jun 18, 2014 4:49 PM - rodell330: What? Omg with these neck injuries man. I wouldn't even wanna play in Green Bay goodness. Snake bitten

 

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Jun 18, 2014 9:32 PM - Green and Gold: Need new neck coach.
Jun 19, 2014 6:54 AM - Pokerbrat2000: Packers aren't the only ones sustaining neck injuries. Blame it on stronger, bigger and harder hitting players. The human body can only take so much punishment before something gives.
Jun 19, 2014 7:54 AM - longtimefan: the neck was from last year
Jun 19, 2014 11:37 AM - 7thFloorRA: I wouldn't even notice if he was never on the roster again. There are plenty of good backs ahead of him on the depth chart.
Jun 19, 2014 11:51 AM - Vltrophy: MM said J Frank would not be rejoining the team. That sux but his health is more important
Jun 19, 2014 1:35 PM - NorthWestCheeseHead: He actually wont be playing in the NFL anymore. he announced retirement over Twitter a few mins after MM at the podium.
Jun 19, 2014 4:16 PM - Green and Gold: Wish him the best in his recovery.
Jun 19, 2014 7:48 PM - Vltrophy: His rookie yr he was "joking about running for Mayor of Green Bay. I know he took political classes in college so we shall see what he does
Jun 19, 2014 7:50 PM - Vltrophy: Doesn't even get a pension from the NFL. With him being hurt on the job I'm sure he'll be compensated one way or another

 

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Jun 20, 2014 at 9:20 AM - Pokerbrat2000: Like Finley, one can only hope that he bought a disability insurance policy before this happened. With the way the NFL is today, a player would be nuts not to have such a policy and an agent would be negligent not to advise his client to do so
Jun 20, 2014 at 9:24 AM - Pokerbrat2000: I just read online that such a policy is about $7000/year/million dollar coverage. Not cheap, but well worth it if I was suiting up
Jun 20, 2014 at 9:56 AM - easyk83: Good article in the JS on David Bakhtiari, he put on some muscle in the off season
Jun 20, 2014 at 1:42 PM - SoonerPack: What a crappy thing to say 7thFloorRA. Compassion is obviously not your strong suit...
Jun 20, 2014 at 2:37 PM - MiamiBeachPacker: At least I wasn't the only one to think so
Jun 20, 2014 at 3:31 PM - Vltrophy: Packers have officially released J Frank
Jun 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM - Vltrophy: Baktiari will continue to be a great asset for the Packers at LT
Jun 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM - Green and Gold: Give Franklin some other job in the organization.
Jun 20, 2014 at 5:53 PM - 7thFloorRA: There are 3 SOLID running backs on the depth chart. Franklin looked out of his league last year IMO. With DuJuan coming back I figured he would be cut or on IR anyways. Sucks about his neck but I was never a fan of him.
Jun 20, 2014 at 6:49 PM - 7thFloorRA: I also can not be the only one that thought he was the odd man out anyways. With all the TE's and WR's and 3 RB's and kuhn keeping him on the roster would be nearly impossible.

 

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Jun 21, 2014 at 12:23 AM - Green and Gold: He seems to have about as positive an attitude as a person could have about the situation. I would actually be shocked if he didn't end up being successful in whichever path he chooses next. I wish him the best.
Jun 21, 2014 at 12:54 AM - Green and Gold: I'm really liking the fact that HHCD is taking 2nd team reps as safety instead of being anointed as the starter...making him earn his role.
Jun 21, 2014 at 3:04 AM - Dan115: I was looking for Franklin to push Starks
Jun 21, 2014 at 4:10 AM - 7thFloorRA: I figured he would be battling Harris for a spot and I really like Harris.
Jun 21, 2014 at 5:42 AM - Vltrophy: JFrank will throw his hat into the political arena IMO as that is what he studied in college.
Jun 21, 2014 at 5:43 AM - Vltrophy: he could ask his former teammates for donations

 

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Jun 21, 2014 9:22 PM - Green and Gold: Melvin Gordon should pair nicely with Lacy next year though.
Jun 21, 2014 9:50 PM - Green and Gold: Pick your poison Seattle, Rodgers or Lacy. 73 days.
Jun 22, 2014 2:41 PM - ivo610: when exactly did franklin look out of his league? I dont understand how anyone could argue that based on what they saw. Was it the 7.9 yards he averaged per carry when he got more than 3 carries in a game?
Jun 22, 2014 3:34 PM - Smokeychedder: Hello Everyone , ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL ?
Jun 22, 2014 5:43 PM - Dan115: Franklin looked very good to me.
Jun 22, 2014 6:09 PM - 7thFloorRA: I think the offensive line looked good. i want a guy who can block, HOLD ON TO THE BALL , and create his own yards if need be. I like the 3 backs on the roster more than him for those reasons. As far as being out of his league....i thought he just looked small out there.
Jun 22, 2014 7:13 PM - AZpackerbacker: Sucks for Franklin's career....but his health is way more important than a game.....hopefully he will find success in whatever he decides to do....
Jun 22, 2014 8:06 PM - Packers_16-0: Who remembers that artice last year that jinxed Aaron Rodgers injury
Jun 22, 2014 8:57 PM - Dan115: Ok, hi 16-0

 

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Jun 24, 2014 12:43 PM - NorthWestCheeseHead: He had two fumbles and only lost one. Granted it was a game killer but that's just a rookie mistake and can be corrected. Sad seeing people latch on to the small fixable issues and talk about them like he was going to not change at all over his career.

 

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Jun 26, 2014 at 6:04 PM - Vltrophy: Lacy fumbled once the whole season & it was against the 49ers
Jun 26, 2014 at 6:04 PM - Vltrophy: He turned out great
Jun 26, 2014 at 6:05 PM - Vltrophy: JFrank seems like he has a good head on his shoulders. He'll do fine
Jun 26, 2014 at 7:25 PM - ivo610: Would you write off petersons career bc he had fumbling issues too? Lol

 

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Jun 27, 2014 at 8:24 PM - Vltrophy: Read some articles about Manziel's partying life & even a D lineman speaking out. IMO its going to take a Johnny getting his bell rung to realize he needs to tone it down sit his butt down & stick his nose in films & the playbook more if he's serious about wanting the starting position

 

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Jun 27, 2014 9:13 PM - Smokeychedder: Johnny Football's family is very rich, NfL success matters little to him. He's in it for the fame and the women.
Jun 28, 2014 2:07 PM - Vltrophy: Forget the silver spoon Johnny was born w/a solid gold spoon in his mouth
Jun 28, 2014 2:08 PM - Vltrophy: 24-7 football is doing a count down of the Packers top 10 plays of the yr. on #6 now when Packers D intercepted Nomo in Dallas
Jun 28, 2014 2:09 PM - Vltrophy: #1 will be the pass from Rodgers to Cobb week 17 vs the lowly & still suck bears
Jun 28, 2014 2:11 PM - Vltrophy: Sam Shields was the one who intercepted Nomo.

 

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Jun 28, 2014 9:09 PM - Green and Gold: http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/830516535.gif?1388363184
Jun 28, 2014 9:10 PM - Green and Gold: That throw from Rodgers made my entire week.
Jun 28, 2014 9:12 PM - Green and Gold: Browns stadium is the only one in the entire league who has NEVER hosted a playoff game.
Jun 28, 2014 9:14 PM - Green and Gold: http://i.imgur.com/35aQjJl.gif
Jun 28, 2014 9:16 PM - Green and Gold: clay looks like a young triple H
Jun 29, 2014 5:29 AM - greenandgold: Green And Gold?
Jun 29, 2014 5:29 AM - greenandgold: I was here first!
Jun 29, 2014 5:29 AM - greenandgold:
Jun 29, 2014 10:34 AM - longtimefan: packer 96 Sb game on NFLN.....we used to watch TV like that? Holy crap is ugly graphics
Jun 29, 2014 12:47 PM - ram29jackson: stop complaining, it was all you needed for its time and quite sufficient
Jun 29, 2014 5:10 PM - Dan115: I will bet with you on that game
Jun 29, 2014 5:48 PM - Packers_16-0: Everyone I got jay cutler in one of my fantasy football leagues because I didn't attend the draft and I always select Rodgers he is usually my first round pick so what should I do
Jun 29, 2014 8:28 PM - Green and Gold: Trade Immediately.
Jun 29, 2014 8:29 PM - Green and Gold: Johnny Jolly cleared by his doctors after neck surgery.
Jun 29, 2014 8:29 PM - Green and Gold: I want this, but I can't get my hopes up.

 

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Jun 29, 2014 at 11:54 PM - ram29jackson: Cutler to marshal may work alot though,being a fan of a team doesnt cancel good football knowledge
Jun 30, 2014 at 3:43 AM - Vltrophy: Trade for Sure. Cutler isn't all that. He's good but not great. I usually get Rodgers,Wilson or both
Jun 30, 2014 at 7:17 AM - Poppa San: pack16-0 what does the rest of your team look like. Besides A-rodg who else would you accept as QB. If you haven't yet, take this to the FF forum.
Jun 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM - MiamiBeachPacker: Don't wreck your team just to get a better QB
Jun 30, 2014 at 4:23 PM - Wood Chipper: I will make the PFFFL IV thread sometime in July
Jun 30, 2014 at 4:23 PM - Wood Chipper: The PFFFL is past having a trilogy and officially into overstaying it's welcome stage.
Jun 30, 2014 at 6:30 PM - ram29jackson: whats the Packers weakest part this year ?
Jun 30, 2014 at 7:57 PM - Packers_16-0: We'll I just traded cutler and u got Eli manning might be a bad trade but I do not want cutler into team
Jun 30, 2014 at 7:57 PM - Packers_16-0: Wood chipper may I join your league
Jun 30, 2014 at 8:29 PM - Packers_16-0: The weakest part I believe of the packers is their inside linebacker but I really believe in Aj Hawk and Brad Jones

 

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Jun 30, 2014 9:23 PM - MiamiBeachPacker: I probably would've just stuck with Cutler
Jul 1, 2014 6:40 AM - Green and Gold: As always, I'll remain optimistic—but I won't be surprised if Carl Bradford is anything less than starter material. His tape is nice though, I wonder how his game will translate to the NFL, or even the ILB position. Think he'll play faster than his 40 time?
Jul 1, 2014 7:37 AM - Vltrophy: Read where Bakhtiari added 10lbs of muscle over the offseason. Nice! Rodgers will appreciate that
Jul 1, 2014 1:00 PM - MiamiBeachPacker: @VL: You should try the Packers blog over on ESPN
Jul 1, 2014 3:37 PM - Smokeychedder: U.S.A. is just not a soccer country , our best athletes play other sports.
Jul 1, 2014 3:42 PM - gatorpack: I think we will get there soon
Jul 1, 2014 3:46 PM - Smokeychedder: not a priority sport , but the southern border invasion may influence that.
Jul 1, 2014 4:10 PM - kaiser7ko: You guys were unlucky tonight. Given a few more years and more uptake by your youngsters and you could be a major force at future world cups
Jul 1, 2014 4:12 PM - Smokeychedder: In America soccer rates somewhere between girls field hockey and shuffleboard.
Jul 1, 2014 4:12 PM - Smokeychedder: Our best athletes don't play soccer.
Jul 1, 2014 4:15 PM - kaiser7ko: haha fair enough. From across the pond it looked like you guys were gaining more interest in it. With a population as big as yours just a small increase in uptake at youth level could do wonders to your national team but I can understand it not being a big draw over there
Jul 1, 2014 4:24 PM - Smokeychedder: Considering all the sports that the rest of the world is striving to catch up to the U.S.A. in . America's world soccer ranking is not really important.
Jul 1, 2014 5:45 PM - Raptorman: Smokeychedder. There in not one athlete in any sport in the US that could hang with the US soccer players fro 60 minutes in a game of soccer.
Jul 1, 2014 6:16 PM - kaiser7ko: There's no need to be a **** about it I was praising your team and hoping they could improve. But since you want to put it like that then yeah I suppose dismissing the !oat popular sport in the world because you are not the best at it is a great tactic. Well played sir!!!
Jul 1, 2014 6:18 PM - Smokeychedder: Soccer players are good athletes. Yet in America we don't build huge Stadiums for Soccer. We do build Stadiums for Football , Baseball , and large facilities for Basketball.
Jul 1, 2014 7:02 PM - ivo610: And there isn't an athlete that could hang with Lebron... See can go both ways

 

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Jul 1, 2014 9:27 PM - Forget Favre: The team that wins the world cup is true in calling themselves "World Champions." Any American team that thinks itself as a "World Champion" is false unless they somehow played all other teams from around the world. It is inaccurate to call the Packers or any other Super Bowl winner World Champions.
Jul 1, 2014 9:30 PM - Forget Favre: Even if by some miracle the American team would have won the World Cup it would have all been forgotten about by the very first football pre-season kick off. Soccer is "Meh" in this country.
Jul 1, 2014 10:09 PM - Jordyruns: I have often wondered how much better US sports would be if there was no football. The best athletes go to football here in america, could you imagine how good the US would be at soccer if the south treated soccer like it does football. Dont tell me someone like calvin johnson or patrick peterson would not be an amazing soccer player if they had been playing their whole lives like they did footba
Jul 1, 2014 10:10 PM - Jordyruns: ll. Their such good athletes they could do whatever they wanted
Jul 1, 2014 10:11 PM - Jordyruns: and still be good at it
Jul 2, 2014 5:13 AM - Vltrophy: football in America is like soccer in the UK & most of the other countries. there's no way a foreign team could compete w/us in football
Jul 2, 2014 5:14 AM - Vltrophy: the U.S. kicks *** in basketball. in that sport we are truly & always will be World Champions
Jul 2, 2014 5:18 AM - Dan115: We call it scocer---- Super Bowl winner is world champion in what we call football.
Jul 2, 2014 6:15 AM - Carl: The NFL is by far the best football league in the world. The Super Bowl winner is a World Champion to me.
Jul 2, 2014 9:51 AM - Forget Favre: Yeah, but you can't really call yourself a world champion unless you compete and find out by playing other teams from around the world. It's nothing but an arrogant statement just for US winners filled with foolish pride.
Jul 2, 2014 10:21 AM - rodell330: I agree^^^^
Jul 2, 2014 1:56 PM - Dan115: Who would you like the super bowl winning team to play. sumo team?
Jul 2, 2014 5:31 PM - ivo610: 2004 the USA basketball team took bronze
Jul 2, 2014 5:45 PM - Smokeychedder: OK , but the sumo team can't call themselves the "Yellowskins".

 

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Jul 3, 2014 6:10 AM - Carl: Should the we play the CFL winner and win by 80? The vast majority of countries don't play football at all.
Jul 3, 2014 8:06 AM - Green and Gold: Who on the team is facing a "prove it" year?
Jul 3, 2014 10:36 AM - MiamiBeachPacker: Sherrod, Bulaga, Raji, Peppers, B. Jones, Perry, and Tretter
Jul 3, 2014 12:25 PM - easyk83: American football is such a specialized expensive sport that most Countries just dont have the resources for it to become popular
Jul 3, 2014 12:25 PM - easyk83: You know as much as other Countries like to rip on the "dumb American," I would point out that our Sports tend to be much more cerebral.
Jul 3, 2014 12:51 PM - Green and Gold: Half of our defense....

 

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Jul 4, 2014 8:19 PM - Vltrophy: what a beautiful night to celebrate our freedom!

 

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Jul 4, 2014 9:19 PM - Smokeychedder: The value of Freedom is truly valued when it is lost. Celebrate freedom , but never forget that it has come with at a high price. The alter of Freedom often demands a great toll .
Jul 5, 2014 7:26 AM - Poppa San: VL, did you get to "Fire over the Fox"? I've made most of them.
Jul 5, 2014 7:50 AM - Vltrophy: wasn't aware of Fire over the fox. but I did see some nice fireworks being shot off last night
Jul 5, 2014 10:37 AM - Green and Gold: Watched fireworks at lake michigan @ summerfest.
Jul 5, 2014 10:37 AM - Green and Gold: It's always a good show
Jul 5, 2014 1:20 PM - Poppa San: VL, that was probably Fire over the Fox. I always try to get near the front row. Easy peasy to do.
Jul 5, 2014 3:47 PM - Forget Favre: I dunno about you guys but I'm feeling ready for some football! Go Pack! Make this your year!
Jul 5, 2014 4:39 PM - Vrill: How has Datone Jones been looking this offseason? Im expecting good things from him

 

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Jul 5, 2014 11:33 PM - Green and Gold: Datone is hungry, cant wait to see what he can do when he's healthy, and with peppers around too.
Jul 6, 2014 9:13 AM - Smokeychedder: I'm ignoring soccer , and **** , and fishing stories. I'm ready for some football !
Jul 6, 2014 9:44 AM - rodell330: Hey fishing is awesome!!
Jul 6, 2014 9:45 AM - rodell330: Caught a 20 pound channel cat the other night!
Jul 6, 2014 10:28 AM - mhnessie: Not ignoring soccer because I love it but ready for some football too, just renewed my NFL Game Pass
Jul 6, 2014 6:22 PM - gatorpack: Fishing is year round here I dont know what i would do without it!

 

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Jul 7, 2014 4:44 AM - Vltrophy: I sent Datone Jones a msg on twitter & he marked it as one of his favorites. Totally cool
Jul 7, 2014 6:00 AM - Smokeychedder: What did you say Vltrophy ?

 

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Jul 8, 2014 2:45 AM - ivo610: Got into it with ray rice over his gb comments on twitter once. Also ended up getting PM'd by a Seahawk when I asked him about choking Rodgers in a pileup
Jul 8, 2014 2:49 AM - ivo610: Sean Salisbury hates me and has me blocked on fb after a feisty exchange. "I've forgotten more about football than you will ever know!" Was his response to a respectable Top 10 QB debate. I responded, "based on your history of concussions I do not doubt that to be accurate."
Jul 8, 2014 8:28 AM - Dan115: 7 bears have blocked me on Fb

 

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Jul 8, 2014 10:07 PM - Vltrophy: Got a 2nd job working pt at Jimmy Johns on Onieda & saw Mark Murphy in there. He must've been driving his wife's van as he usually drives a tannish colored truck
Jul 9, 2014 4:36 PM - Green and Gold: A new attitude can make all the difference. With a dose of healthy this D can perform and do it well. If this happens at the same time as our offense hitting its stride, then watch out, this will be fun.
Jul 9, 2014 6:23 PM - ram29jackson: I'm a city boy and dont fish

 

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Jul 10, 2014 at 1:51 AM - Smokeychedder: All are free to post as they will, but this is the PackerForum and is primarily an American Football Forum. I visit fishing forums for fishing and soccer forums for soccer.
Jul 10, 2014 at 1:54 AM - Smokeychedder: If I started a thread about Baseball in a Cooking Forum , they would be correct to question as to why ?
Jul 10, 2014 at 9:00 AM - Green and Gold: 1 Month until the start of preseason! Aug 9th!
Jul 10, 2014 at 1:02 PM - bigblue bay packers: just ordered 4 tickets to that game on the lower level, looking for a good year. GO PACK GO!!!!!!!!!
Jul 10, 2014 at 1:21 PM - gatorpack: Did I miss a fishing thread somehow???
Jul 10, 2014 at 2:47 PM - MiamiBeachPacker: Fishing is relevant in all forums!
Jul 10, 2014 at 5:50 PM - Zartan: Man just think in one month pack would of alredy played their first pre season game
Jul 10, 2014 at 5:50 PM - Zartan: Aug 9th
Jul 10, 2014 at 6:04 PM - Smokeychedder:
Jul 10, 2014 at 8:53 PM - Packers_16-0: How's my team
Jul 10, 2014 at 8:53 PM - Green and Gold: Favre will be welcomed back to Lambeau with a loud standing ovation whether it be this year or next. We have moved on and it’s time to honor this legend.
Jul 10, 2014 at 8:54 PM - Packers_16-0:

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Jul 10, 2014 at 8:54 PM - Green and Gold: We won a Super Bowl without him. People who haven't forgiven him probably never will.
Jul 10, 2014 at 8:57 PM - Green and Gold: Datone Jones and UFC Fighter Chuck Liddell Are Working Out Together http://instagram.com/p/qSJ4SvDiVl/