Rollins Neck , FA CBs and big DBs merged

[JK64]

My one knock on him is he does not seem to commit early enough to help the cornerbacks on deep throws and yes, that is important. He should have more ints and break up more of those deep passes. I hope he learns how and when to commit to be able to do that. Still, I think he is very valuable to the team.

You nailed it on Ha Ha. Way to many times he arrives late and the receiver is dozens of yards down the field.

 

[rodell330]

funny seeing you guys make excuses for randall and rollins, AJ hawk made a career off of developing lol. When your bad you are bad. People use adams as an excuse, difference is jordy is back adams still missing balls just like he did last year. His problem was never beating man 2 man it was him catching the ball. Just like randall that first game he had help from safety because sam was playing man up on the other side. when you have safety help you can play more freely. These two are slow as hell and they lack the toughness they cant tackle and they cant press. Teams barely throw it to the RBs and the TEs because its so easy to throw on rollins and randall.

Thank you! I thought I was watching different games than some of these guys. I had to go back and see what I wasn't seeing, or if I was missing something. The play where Rollins got hurt? The wr literally caught up to him and ran right by him by about 3 steps for the catch and Rollins didn't even find the football smh.
Wth film Are you guys watching? Collinsworth even pointed it out about 3 times..if you wanna throw on Green Bay..throw to the right side! Who's typically on the right side? Randall is!! And when he's not it's Rollins!! This isn't a coincidence! if Capers had Randall or Rollins shadow ObJ he'd have over 200 yds receiving...I'm saying that as if they are 100% healthy. An undrafted cat is our best corner....again. And Gunter isnt even that good!

 

[Mondio]

Again..you don't read. This is in reposnse to your response to my response....to Mondio! He said hurt all season. So he wasn't heathy against Minnesota?

We're 16 games and Rodell found 1 game at the beginning of the year to say, "see he's been healthy" lol

I've already given my reasons as to why they struggled early on and it has more to do with tough love coaching to make them grow early on than it has to do with lacking ability. And pretty much from then on it's been a revolving door of injuries back there. But Rodell found his one game lol

 

[Mondio]

2-3 years ago pretty much all of those plus would have drawn flags. In the regular season, and then they let a lot more go in the playoffs. They're finally letting people play defense and letting little contact that doesn't affect the play just go. For which I'm thankful, but will the trend continue?

 

[XPack]

Not really sure. Speed, intelligence, read of the game, vertical jumping ability etc are all more important than weight and physicality imo.

 

[PackerFanLV]

All the top Corners of the league are physical its not so much just the height and weight, but if you can play physical at the line and stay on top of a routes your going to be good in the league. Sam shields physical, tramon Williams, Al Harris, Mike McKenzie, Charles woodson, Davon House. Especially if you lack speed you better be physical.

 

[longtimefan]

http://www.12up.com/posts/4362374-b...quad-after-starter-s-scary-injury?a_aid=36676

To make matters even worse, undrafted rookie corner Makinton Dorleant, who spent most of the season on injured reserve already, has been placed back on IR with a knee injury.



Aaron Nagler

✔@AaronNagler
The Packers have brought up Herb Waters from the practice squad. He's a cornerback now. He was a wide receiver in training camp.




1:53 PM - 4 Jan 2017

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Not sure a 33 year old DB would necessarily help this defense.

One of the knocks on TT is how long it takes him to fix a position, ala the position of safety (ILB, TE, etc.)

Are we not now supposed to critique Packer players or staff if luck enters in?

I mean, anyone can criticize for anything I guess but saying a guy is at fault for bad luck doesn't seem very logical. On Monday, fans are gonna scream about how Capers is terrible because Odell is probably gonna have a big day (hopefully doesn't cost the Packers the game) but realistically, who does Capers have to cover Odell? A practice squad corner who played wide receiver at Miami? Gunter? Sure, he's a great guy in short areas but there were defensive ends in the draft who ran the 40 faster than him.

And yeah, really good DBs tend to age very well. There are numerous examples of 30+ year old DBs who were terrific. Not every position is running back, the 30 year cut-off is way overstated.

 

[pacmaniac]

Is he worse than Ahmad Carroll?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

All the top Corners of the league are physical its not so much just the height and weight, but if you can play physical at the line and stay on top of a routes your going to be good in the league. Sam shields physical, tramon Williams, Al Harris, Mike McKenzie, Charles woodson, Davon House. Especially if you lack speed you better be physical.

First off, EVERY player in the NFL is physical. I don't think it's possible to make it and not be physical. That being said, I think there's a big difference in physicality between corners. Aqib Talib is probably on one end of the physicality spectrum while Casey Hayward might be on the other end. I don't think anyone would classify Chris Harris (all 5'10", 190 lbs of him) as a real physical corner and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't find a list of the five best corners in the NFL that didn't have his name.

Smaller corners need to be fast while bigger corners can get away with being slower if they can play physical. I think the one thing EVERY corner needs to have is ball awareness. Otherwise i don't think "physicality" is all that important.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Is he worse than Ahmad Carroll?

I don't think that would be possible unless he had three hands to put on the receiver.

 

[pacmaniac]

I don't think that would be possible unless he had three hands to put on the receiver.

Rollins can't even get 1 hand on the receiver though!

 

[rodell330]

Rollins can't even get 1 hand on the receiver though!

Bingo. The fact that Randall can't seem to cover anyone is so noticeable it covers up the fact that he can't tackle either. But I'm making this stuff up. Lol ok

 

[longtimefan]

Bingo. The fact that Randall can't seem to cover anyone is so noticeable it covers up the fact that he can't tackle either. But I'm making this stuff up. Lol ok

. Your complaints are valid and I don't think anyone disputes it.

But what can be done? Who takes his place?

I can assure you that the staff is aware and tries their best to fix it week in and out.. The clicker gets worn out in. Meetings is something I have heard.

They have no options they believe is better

 

[adambr2]

. Your complaints are valid and I don't think anyone disputes it.

But what can be done? Who takes his place?

I can assure you that the staff is aware and tries their best to fix it week in and out.. The clicker gets worn out in. Meetings is something I have heard.

They have no options they believe is better

Charles Tillman said he would come out of retirement to help us win a Super Bowl, but I would guess by the time he's in game shape it'd be too late to help us.

 

[longtimefan]

Charles Tillman said he would come out of retirement to help us win a Super Bowl, but I would guess by the time he's in game shape it'd be too late to help us.

Won't happen.. We already brought up Water from the PS today

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah, let's face it, bringing in a guy like Tillman would only be something that Belichick would do.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I only saw a handful of Heyward plays this season; some he looked good, others I saw the same problems that got him out of town and signing a 2nd tier deal in San Diego. Anyone see more? How many of those league leading INT's were great plays, or garbage gimmes like HHCD?

He was the Chargers MVP in a recent article ablout "Who is each teams MVP", that I read. The Chargers top CB went down early, and Hayward was thrown into the fire, and performed great apparently...

 

[PackerFanLV]

First off, EVERY player in the NFL is physical. I don't think it's possible to make it and not be physical. That being said, I think there's a big difference in physicality between corners. Aqib Talib is probably on one end of the physicality spectrum while Casey Hayward might be on the other end. I don't think anyone would classify Chris Harris (all 5'10", 190 lbs of him) as a real physical corner and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't find a list of the five best corners in the NFL that didn't have his name.

Smaller corners need to be fast while bigger corners can get away with being slower if they can play physical. I think the one thing EVERY corner needs to have is ball awareness. Otherwise i don't think "physicality" is all that important.

What! Chris Harris is a very physical corner just like Joe Hayden 5'10" 195lbs physical also. Its more to playing corner in the (NFL) then just having ball skillz lol. Dont forget im saying top corners, Can get off blocks to make tackles, they come up on screen plays they reroute receivers etc and they all dont have to be 6'2" 6'3" 215 lbs. If you dont think physicality isnt all that important then sir your looking at the nfl as flag football. The starting corners on our team right now lack physicality and that's why they are always chasing and hardly ever in the right position to get picks or making tackles. BTW sunshine who is your top 5 corners in the league right now?

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Burnett, Hyde are both Physical guys. Gunter has earned a lot of playing time because of his big frame and the way he handles guys on the line... He also gets burnt deep from time to time, but I can live with that. I like the big physical CBs because some of those WRs are 6'3" 6'4" 6'5" 220 230+... It seems we would be wise to bring a CB that wont get steamrolled at the line. Right?

 

[bigbubbatd]

How many more threads can we have about our corners and how they don't stack up to others in the NFL?

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

How many more threads can we have about our corners and how they don't stack up to others in the NFL?

Maybe you should spearhead a call to the coalition of people who care, and see what they can do about this huge problem that affects us all.

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

Just about winning over there. They will sign who they need to sign...even if it's for a couple games..,or just 1 season. The ultimate goal is a championship at the end of the season and that's it. TT wants SB's around here but the approach by TT is way different than BB and Kraft. The TT approach is not aggressive at all...imo that's the reason why he only has 1 SB and 1 appearance. His approach is overly cautious and not aggressive at all when it comes to building. A SB team.

And yet since 2005 they have won the same amount of Super Bowls as us. I don't get it. What do they do so much better in that time frame.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We are 100% in agreement that he's a very talented wr receiver...that's 100% true. I just showed you his stats didn't I? So yes, I'm fully aware of where he's ranked. I'm going to put it this way...#'s lie in football more than in any other sport. My eyes see dozens of very talented WRs in the league....DOZENS. They also see those guy's underperform, or dissapear for stretches. I watch EVERY Packer game, and I see Adams is one of those guy's. I trust my eyes.

There´s no doubt Adams has been inconsistent at times but it´s mind-boggling that you don´t agree that he performed on a decent level this season.

I'd be more reluctant to praise Clinton-Dix. Outside of some garbage int's , he's missed too many plays and been out of position way too often. Overall this year, he's still been a dissapointment for me.

I don´t believe Clinton-Dix deserved to be named to the Pro Bowl but he´s an above average safety.

BTW while certainly not healthy.... an illness would not show up on the injury report.

Teams list sick players on the injury report.

I only saw a handful of Heyward plays this season; some he looked good, others I saw the same problems that got him out of town and signing a 2nd tier deal in San Diego. Anyone see more? How many of those league leading INT's were great plays, or garbage gimmes like HHCD?

I didn´t watch any Chargers games this season but PFF ranked Hayward as the seventh best cornerback this year.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Ive always hated the term "sophomore slump". These guys are ranked 111 and 116 in their respective position! You can't be that bad and just have it be a sophmore slump!! The secondary actually played better when Rollins went out due to injury. It also looked better when Randall was benched against the Bears and they put Hyde in his place. Facts man. Facts.

PFF ranked Randall 117th and Rollins 81st out of 120 qualifying cornerbacks this season. There´s absolutely no doubt both have struggled mightily and the Packers need to address the position next offseason. The defense didn´t play better when both of them missed several games because of injury though.