Rollins Neck , FA CBs and big DBs merged

[rodell330]

does he look like he did last year?

what did he rate last year?

do you think he just decided to suck this year or is something else going on?

Same with Hyde. Did he just decide to suck the first half of this year despite being a regular and solid contributor on defense and then just decide not to suck over the past 5 weeks?

Maybe my questions were too mashed up the first time?

What happened is Shields and Hayward aren't here to cover the other teams best WRs...therefore Randall and Rollins are getting exposed. As for Hyde he's just inconsistent. I think he can be a solid contributor but he needs to perfect one position. They move him around a lot. He's better than Randall and Rollins tho.

 

[PackerDNA]

does he look like he did last year?

what did he rate last year?

do you think he just decided to suck this year or is something else going on?

Same with Hyde. Did he just decide to suck the first half of this year despite being a regular and solid contributor on defense and then just decide not to suck over the past 5 weeks?

Maybe my questions were too mashed up the first time?

I'd be more reluctant to praise Clinton-Dix. Outside of some garbage int's , he's missed too many plays and been out of position way too often. Overall this year, he's still been a dissapointment for me.

 

[Mondio]

Key stat: Quinten Rollins allowed a 58.1 passer rating into his coverage last season, tied for third-lowest among cornerbacks.

In case you don't want to post what PFF had to say about Rollins last year

They also said this,

At corner, the Packers lost Casey Hayward (Chargers) in free agency, but Quinten Rollins was impressive in limited playing time as a rookie and may very well step in without the secondary missing a beat.

They also rated the secondary as 5th best heading into the year. So what happened? Hayward left? Or Shields went down and everyone else got hurt and has been playing thru it?

 

[Mondio]

I'd be more reluctant to praise Clinton-Dix. Outside of some garbage int's , he's missed too many plays and been out of position way too often. Overall this year, he's still been a dissapointment for me.

I think he's overrated. He has a memborable name and has had some very poor throws end up right in his gut. He's solid, I think he's ok, but Burnett is more important for this defense. I don't think he's our probowl safety, though he got the award.

 

[rodell330]

Tramon Williams looked horrible one year, but had shoulder issues.. Following year was lot better..

Tramon Williams wasn't taken in the first round. Or the second. In fact, he wasn't take. In any round. I know you're doing the injury thing but Randall hasn't been hurt all year...definitely neither has Rollins.

 

[Mondio]

Tramon Williams wasn't taken in the first round. Or the second. In fact, he wasn't take. In any round. I know you're doing the injury thing but Randall hasn't been hurt all year...definitely neither has Rollins.

except they have been. You say you watch? do you pay attention?

 

[rodell330]

In case you don't want to post what PFF had to say about Rollins last year

They also said this,

They also rated the secondary as 5th best heading into the year. So what happened? Hayward left? Or Shields went down and everyone else got hurt and has been playing thru it?

Rollins is nowhere as good as Hayward...so PFF definitely got that wrong haha. Also, the secondary even with Rollins and Randall healthy is definitely not in the top 5. They are actually more in the bottom 5.

 

[mongoosev]

taking him to the hospital was a precaution. i'm sure he mentioned his neck and personnel freaked out and just rushed him to the hospital. neck injuries should never be ignored. glad nothing is wrong and he is up walking.

 

[longtimefan]

Tramon Williams wasn't taken in the first round. Or the second. In fact, he wasn't take. In any round. I know you're doing the injury thing but Randall hasn't been hurt all year...definitely neither has Rollins.

What?

Holy crap dude.. Randall had surgery and was gone for weeks..

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...k-packers-randall-needs-detail-work/95626794/

You say you watch each every game?

You truly have lost so much with this statrment

 

[mongoosev]

Do you realize Adams ranked second in the NFL in touchdown catches this season??? It´s true he´s still inconsistent but there´s absolutely no doubt in my mind that he´s a very talented receiver.

agree, cap! adams is a talent that was dealing with 'rookie' jitters. i'm sure once he feels confident enough out there running his routes and really gets used to the pro atmosphere he will start making many more remarkable plays.

 

[rodell330]

except they have been. You say you watch? do you pay attention?

Ok so Randall was hurt when Diggs torched him earlier in the year? No, he wasn't. How about when he got benched against Chicago? I mean he's even quoted saying he was fine and tonask the coaches whybthey benched him. How about Rollins when Crowder and Garcon took turns torching him and Gunter? You're saying the same thing over and over..but just in different ways...I'm telling you why I think they are both garbage and giving you examples why. How long do you wanna keep doing this?

 

[longtimefan]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ins-leaving-green-bay-packers-thin-cornerback

Out with groin...

Now I know why Rodell makes odd statements, he doesn't seem to truly watch the games

 

[rodell330]

What?

Holy crap dude.. Randall had surgery and was gone for weeks..

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...k-packers-randall-needs-detail-work/95626794/

You say you watch each every game?

You truly have lost so much with this statrment

Apparently you don't read either. Mondio said he's been hurt all season...I said he hasn't been hurt all season. The first Minnesota game being the perfect example. Nice try tho.

 

[longtimefan]

Apparently you don't read either. Mondio said he's been hurt all season...I said he hasn't been hurt all season. The first Minnesota game being the perfect example. Nice try tho.

He said he was hurt all year??

I saw him. Ask if he was hurt all season? You took it literally every game.. I took it at any point as was he hurt.

The way your post came across was he was never hurt..

So even an injury, he isn't allowed any slack.. You think he was always 100 percent?

if he wasn't 100% that might be a reason why he suffered?

B4 you answer, better make sure you never gave Jordy or Rodgers, or anyone else a pass on being injured for poor play

 

[swhitset]

He was playing with an illness in that game as I recall.

 

[rodell330]

He said he was hurt all year??

I saw him. Ask if he was hurt all season? You took it literally every game.. I took it at any point as was he hurt.

The way your post came across was he was never hurt..

So even an injury, he isn't allowed any slack.. You think he was always 100 percent?

if he wasn't 100% that might be a reason why he suffered?

B4 you answer, better make sure you never gave Jordy or Rodgers, or anyone else a pass on being injured for poor play

I don't have to make sure of anything. Who have I given a "pass" to for poor play? Yes I did take hurt "all year" as literally meaning every game. Can't present an argument and then expect the person disputing your areguennt to dissect oh this is really what he's trying to say. No. I gave you an example of a fully healthy Randall getting torched by Diggs, and you give me...oh but he's been hurt most the season. Ok, so what about that one? Or when he got benched and said he was fine? I'll wait...

 

[longtimefan]

I don't have to make sure of anything. Who have I given a "pass" to for poor play? Yes I did take hurt "all year" as literally meaning every game. Can't present an argument and then expect the person disputing your areguennt to dissect oh this is really what he's trying to say. No. I gave you an example of a fully healthy Randall getting torched by Diggs, and you give me...oh but he's been hurt most the season. Ok, so what about that one? Or when he got benched and said he was fine? I'll wait...

Got injury report saying he was healthy?

I'll wait

Show me I said he was hurt all year..

I'll wait

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

SMH....

 

[gopkrs]

I think he's overrated. He has a memborable name and has had some very poor throws end up right in his gut. He's solid, I think he's ok, but Burnett is more important for this defense. I don't think he's our probowl safety, though he got the award.

I love HaHa. Like his abilities around the line of scrimmage, like his tackling and I like his personality (seems to me to be a team player). My one knock on him is he does not seem to commit early enough to help the cornerbacks on deep throws and yes, that is important. He should have more ints and break up more of those deep passes. I hope he learns how and when to commit to be able to do that. Still, I think he is very valuable to the team.

 

[rodell330]

Got injury report saying he was healthy?

I'll wait

Show me I said he was hurt all year..

I'll wait

Again..you don't read. This is in reposnse to your response to my response....to Mondio! He said hurt all season. So he wasn't heathy against Minnesota?

 

[rodell330]

I love HaHa. Like his abilities around the line of scrimmage, like his tackling and I like his personality (seems to me to be a team player). My one knock on him is he does not seem to commit early enough to help the cornerbacks on deep throws and yes, that is important. He should have more ints and break up more of those deep passes. I hope he learns how and when to commit to be able to do that. Still, I think he is very valuable to the team.

Agree. He's to indecisive in his reads at times. That's what made free safeties like Ed Reed and Nick Collins such good ball hawks. When they decided to go they went!

 

[longtimefan]

Again..you don't read. This is in reposnse to your response to my response....to Mondio! He said hurt all season. So he wasn't heathy against Minnesota?

Sigh.. You really are daft..

He asked if he was hurt all season. I took to mean in general was he hurt at any point all season.

But he was healthy vs Vikings, and got touched.. I agree with you. I asked you to back up your claim and you deflected to me...

Then was hurt in week 5..i dont think he has been 100 % since.

Not sure what else you want from me.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Rollins is nowhere as good as Hayward...so PFF definitely got that wrong haha. Also, the secondary even with Rollins and Randall healthy is definitely not in the top 5. They are actually more in the bottom 5.

I imagine with shields healthy all year, this teams stats look a lot different. That was a devastating loss. Burnett being the only other proven player, and he is still getting better...All in all we have had two rounds of injuries with the young CBs this year, and we are still 10-6 , North champs, and optimistic about an actual superbowl run... How bad have they actually been?

I learned years ago... I watched Leroy Butler go from average to AllPro. He had a young guy named Darren Sharper who really stunk it up for a few years. (I bashed him to no end) Became serviceable, and continued to get better until one year, he all of a Sudden was an All Pro too, and eventually DPOY if I remember right. Meanwhile GB brings up this fast safety who was a master at getting toasted. Nick Collins (bashed and bashed) played like poo. Again became serviceable, again became an All Pro..... This is where I seen the trend and changed my thinking. All Pro DBs aren't made over night...
Then Burnett and his stinky diaper came along, and made the same transitions. Losing Collins hurt Burnett IMO. We now drafted Clinton Dix, and for the first time we have two safetys who are great. We had Collins/Burnett for less than one healthy season when Collins career ended prematurely. But IMO Burnett is playing lights out right now. Clinton Dix may be the 1st string pro bowler, and well deserved. But Burnett has been every bit as effective this year... BOTH are entering that all pro status, with Clinton Dix having the ability to enter Ed Reed territory before its all over...Im excited, and got off track...

Long point being. We seen the potential right away with Randall, Rollins, and Gunter. I believe we are committing to them long term. Which is why we were willing to let Hayward go. Another guy who looked great early, dealt with a major injury, and continued to develop into a very good player. Year 5 he is his teams best defender. Our young CBs development will be backed up solidly by the two best safetys we have had together in years. They will continue to get better and better and better...

My advice is to be patient with your guesses on where this group is headed. And I'd be a little more optimistic. My guess is that this group will be dominant when they finally get mojo flowing.

 

[rodell330]

Sigh.. You really are daft..

He asked if he was hurt all season. I took to mean in general was he hurt at any point all season.

But he was healthy vs Vikings, and got touched.. I agree with you. I asked you to back up your claim and you deflected to me...

Then was hurt in week 5..i dont think he has been 100 % since.

Not sure what else you want from me.

Back up what claim?!! That he got torched against the Vikings?! Watch the damn game tape! You agree but you want some report that says he was fully healthy? I want for you to stop trying to argue my point just to argue.

 

[RRyder]

Ive always hated the term "sophomore slump". These guys are ranked 111 and 116 in their respective position! You can't be that bad and just have it be a sophmore slump!! The secondary actually played better when Rollins went out due to injury. It also looked better when Randall was benched against the Bears and they put Hyde in his place. Facts man. Facts.

Because in no way did Adams have a promising rookie year, followed by a HORRIFIC 2nd year were he was one of the worst recievers in the league and then rebounded to be a damn good WR this year and was statistically the best WR in the entire league over a 5-6 week stretch.

And yeah its not like our CB situation was horrific when both Randell and Rollins were hurt and the entire D improved dramatically when they returned to the lineup.

Sophomore slumps are a thing whether you want to believe it or not

You need a different definition of the word "facts".

Heaven forbid a player that's in his 3rd, count it 3rd, year of playing football since HS takes a step back once teams got tape on him. Rollins was and still is a project that was never expected to play as earmy as he did