Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Pokerbrat2000]

Didn't see this anywhere else in the forum, but no Julio in Green Bay...

The Falcons traded Jones and a 2023 sixth-round pick to the Titans in exchange for a 2022 second-round pick and a 2023 fourth-round pick Sunday, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports

 

[PackAttack12]

Not that it comes as any sort of surprise, but.....

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[Spanky]

They should fine him.


I kid. Taking a soft approach right now is the best plan. They need to get him back in the fold.

 

[JKramer64]

Excused absence? WTF? If Rodgers doesn't want to play for the Packers, that's fine. He has his reasons. The time to move on is now, while his trade value is at it's highest. Get a haul of 1st and 2nd round picks with an experienced starter. Quit trying to kiss his a**. The man doesn't want to be here.

 

[Zartan]

An excused absence means he has a legit excuse on not attending like family issues. Him being stubborn is not a valid excuse and should be fined as such.

 

[Firethorn1001]

while his trade value is at it's highest.

Argument to be made that it would be more beneficial to trade him after 2021 when there are potentially more interested parties and you know the draft position you are getting. Right now it is Denver/Oakland really (unless someone is injured in training camp that was just a short term option)

 

[OldSchool101]

Argument to be made that it would be more beneficial to trade him after 2021 when there are potentially more interested parties and you know the draft position you are getting. Right now it is Denver/Oakland really (unless someone is injured in training camp that was just a short term option

I don’t think thats necessarily true.
1.What if Rodgers regresses considerably?
2. What if Rodgers suffers another injury?
3. He’s turning 39 in the 2022 season so they could argue that you just lost 20% of his remaining career.
Those are just off the top of my head.
I’d argue that His value will never be higher than it is now after a league MVP season, unless he wins SB MVP. I don’t like those odds at all. As far as time, He’s much more likely diminishing than increasing in return.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don’t think thats necessarily true.
1.What if Rodgers regresses considerably?
2. What if Rodgers suffers another injury?
3. He’s turning 39 in the 2022 season so they could argue that you just lost 20% of his remaining career.
Those are just off the top of my head.
I’d argue that His value will never be higher than it is now after a league MVP season, unless he wins SB MVP. I don’t like those odds at all. As far as time, He’s much more likely diminishing than increasing in return.

If the plan is to trade AR but the amount that the few teams interested in him offer now is low, than I see waiting until 2022 to trade him. If that turns out to be the case, I hope Aaron never reports and sits out the season. That would virtually eliminate your first 2 concerns. Not to mention save the Packers a boat load of money.

 

[OldSchool101]

If the plan is to trade AR but the amount that the few teams interested in him offer now is low, than I see waiting until 2022 to trade him. If that turns out to be the case, I hope Aaron never reports and sits out the season. That would virtually eliminate your first 2 concerns. Not to mention save the Packers a boat load of money.

True. I might be a little off money wise, but GB would essentially be able to balance their books much easier. I’m not saying its ideal, but there is a silver lining. Also Getting love first team work/live action for a season could prove invaluable if he is indeed their future starter. Ok ok it’s likely 2 steps back.
But selecting natural draft picks inside #15 overall combined with @Firethorns point of choosing a team that is also selecting top 15 area gets awfully appealing. If we’re double selecting inside that area for at least 3 rounds in 2022? That’s appealing because it fixes some problems real fast.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

True. I might be a little off money wise, but GB would essentially be able to balance their books much easier. I’m not saying its ideal, but there is a silver lining. Also Getting love first team work/live action for a season could prove invaluable if he is indeed their future starter. Ok ok it’s likely 2 steps back.
But selecting natural draft picks inside #15 overall combined with @Firethorns point of choosing a team that is also selecting top 15 area gets awfully appealing. If we’re double selecting inside that area for at least 3 rounds in 2022? That’s appealing because it fixes some problems real fast.

As far as you being off money wise....nahh...you are just OldSchool.

Simply put, we wouldn't be using any of the draft picks until 2022 and beyond anyway, so better to know exactly what you are getting then have to play the draft lottery. I think most teams giving up unknown future first round picks probably view them as potential top 10. Whereas teams receiving them in a trade, should view them as bottom 10. Especially when you are trading someone of Rodgers caliber that could instantly make them a top 5 team. You make a trade with Denver tomorrow for their 2022 1st and 2nd round picks and who knows what they will be. Maybe as great as a #1 and #33 or as bad as #32 and #64. However you wait until March to make the trade and by then you know exactly what every team is offering in the way of 2022 pick values are.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

As far as you being off money wise....nahh...you are just OldSchool.

Simply put, we wouldn't be using any of the draft picks until 2022 and beyond anyway, so better to know exactly what you are getting then have to play the draft lottery. I think most teams giving up unknown future first round picks probably view them as potential top 10. Whereas teams receiving them in a trade, should view them as bottom 10. Especially when you are trading someone of Rodgers caliber that could instantly make them a top 5 team. You make a trade with Denver tomorrow for their 2022 1st and 2nd round picks and who knows what they will be. Maybe as great as a #1 and #33 or as bad as #32 and #64. However you wait until March to make the trade and by then you know exactly what every team is offering in the way of 2022 pick values are.

That could also work against us even if Rodgers has an MVP season or sits out. If teams know they will be giving up top 10 draft picks, they might say "screw Rodgers...we can get a top 3 QB prospect and other players of need instead, and save money". I think his highest trade value will be before this July

 

[OldSchool101]

As far as you being off money wise....nahh...you are just OldSchool.

Simply put, we wouldn't be using any of the draft picks until 2022 and beyond anyway, so better to know exactly what you are getting then have to play the draft lottery. I think most teams giving up unknown future first round picks probably view them as potential top 10. Whereas teams receiving them in a trade, should view them as bottom 10. Especially when you are trading someone of Rodgers caliber that could instantly make them a top 5 team. You make a trade with Denver tomorrow for their 2022 1st and 2nd round picks and who knows what they will be. Maybe as great as a #1 and #33 or as bad as #32 and #64. However you wait until March to make the trade and by then you know exactly what every team is offering in the way of 2022 pick values are.

I agree Draft order comes into play.
Speaking of Oldschool.. there’s an Oldschool saying I must remind you of.
A bird in hand is worth 2 in the Bush.
and
There are no guarantees about betting on the future, anything can change. What if Rodgers has a baby and pulls a Raji? You got zero birds
Get what you can and don’t be greedy. If it’s reasonable. 2-1sts and 2 seconds and 1 veteran now and I’ll take my chances.
Rodgers is too unstable, if he’s in the mood to get traded? Appease him

I have unfortunately learned from separating that the best time to get things done on an agreement with two separating parties is early on.. before too much time passes. The dreams fade and the Love wanes real fast. Trust me here I learned the hard way.

 

[OldSchool101]

That could also work against us even if Rodgers has an MVP season or sits out. If teams know they will be giving up top 10 draft picks, they might say "screw Rodgers...we can get a top 3 QB prospect and other players of need instead, and save money". I think his highest trade value will be before this July

I agree and I had written July 4th weekend! Kid you not. Then I started rambling and erased it all because I rambled and got verbose

 

[G0P4ckG0]

I agree Draft order comes into play.
Speaking of Oldschool.. there’s an Oldschool saying I must remind you of.
A bird in hand is worth 2 in the Bush.
and
There are no guarantees about betting on the future, anything can change. What if Rodgers has a baby and pulls a Raji? You got zero birds
Get what you can and don’t be greedy. If it’s reasonable. 2-1sts and 2 seconds and 1 veteran now and I’ll take my chances.
Rodgers is too unstable, if he’s in the mood to get traded? Swoon him

Agreed! Rodgers could get hurt tomorrow walking down some stairs and be done playing football. You DO NOT wait to trade a player if there are plans to eventually trade him (or if he wants to be traded). In exchange for Rodgers and a 2022 5th, 6th, 7th, 2023 5th, and 2024 7th I would want a 2022 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 2023 1st, 2nd, 4th, 2024 1st, 2nd. I think that is a reasonable starting point.

 

[OldSchool101]

Agreed! Rodgers could get hurt tomorrow walking down some stairs and be done playing football. You DO NOT wait to trade a player if there are plans to eventually trade him (or if he wants to be traded). In exchange for Rodgers and a 2022 5th, 6th, 7th, 2023 5th, and 2024 7th I would want a 2022 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 2023 1st, 2nd, 4th, 2024 1st, 2nd. I think that is a reasonable starting point.

Starting point! I nearly cussed and I rarely even swear!
Thats a whole lot of draft capital being tossed around. Are you absolutely sure you know what you’re doing?!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't disagree that there is a risk waiting to trade Rodgers and would rather it happen sooner than later. However, if the team's bidding on him are few and the offers are low, then I would take that risk and wait.

Waiting could also accomplish something else, proving that the team wouldn't immediately cave to a players demands of being traded. The financial sting on Rodgers might be a good cautionary tale.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't disagree that there is a risk waiting to trade Rodgers and would rather it happen sooner than later. However, if the team's bidding on him are few and the offers are low, then I would take that risk and wait.

I think you need to slow down on the slot machines. Have you been gambling on the boats again Poker?
im going to nickname you Y2K-2

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think you need to slow down on the slot machines. Have you been gambling on the boats again Poker?
im going to nickname you Y2K-2

I only play poker and occasionally Blackjack. I want some control over the decisions and slots dont give you that.

 

[OldSchool101]

I only play poker and occasionally Blackjack. I want some control over the decisions and slots dont give you that.

I’m like an hour from Shreveport. We got the boats down here and everyone’s into blackjack, board games and slot. It’s all fun until you pay taxes on the winnings.

Im not much of a gambler but I love Euchre and love me some Texas Hold’em

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Starting point! I nearly cussed and I rarely even swear!
Thats a whole lot of draft capital being tossed around. Are you absolutely sure you know what you’re doing?!

Well...let's just say I got my inspiration from playing Madden franchise mode lmao. It is a lot of draft capital but I do believe it makes sense for both sides. Odds are a final offer would be much more simple such as 2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 conditional draft picks, and a player.

 

[longtimefan]

I’m like an hour from Shreveport. We got the boats down here and everyone’s into blackjack, board games and slot. It’s all fun until you pay taxes on the winnings.

Im not much of a gambler but I love Euchre and love me some Texas Hold’em

Eucher! Sheepshead at all?

 

[OldSchool101]

Well...let's just say I got my inspiration from playing Madden franchise mode lmao. It is a lot of draft capital but I do believe it makes sense for both sides. Odds are a final offer would be much more simple such as 2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 conditional draft picks, and a player.

I wouldn’t be opposed to that 2nd scenario.
You did get me doing a little math. If we started with a 2 draft picks inside of #15 overall and picked 2 times each round. We could very easily trade our 1 set of day 2 selections and move into the rear of Round 1 (plus keep a 2nd and 3rd)
That part is where knowing the order plays in also.
we could realistically start by selecting 2022 drafts picks:
#10, #15, #28, #47, #79 +day 3

Then we’d have 2 more 2023 1st day selections just in case Love didn’t pan out and we could package them for a top #3-5 overall QB. It’s a myriad of draft Capital possibilities. You add that to the money freed up and you’d be surprised what we could accomplish

 

[OldSchool101]

Eucher! Sheepshead at all?

Sounds familiar. Been awhile but I’ve got those German Austrian roots yeah. I’ve probably been smeared once or twice
If not I’ve eaten enough grandmas German potatoe salad for all 3 of us.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

I wouldn’t be opposed to that 2nd scenario.
You did get me doing a little math. If we started with a 2 draft picks inside of #14 overall and picked 2 times each round. We could very easily trade our 1 set of day 2 selections and move into the rear of Round 1 (plus keep a 2nd and 3rd)
That part is where knowing the order plays in also.
we could realistically start by selecting 2022 drafts picks:
#10, #15, #28, #47, #79 +day 3

Then we’d have 2 more 2023 1st day selections just in case Love didn’t pan out and we could package them for a top #3-5 overall QB. It’s a myriad of draft Capital possibilities.

Nice mathing! Lol! It would also depend on the conditional picks. My idea was a 2024 1st - 4th and a 2025 1st - 4th. Let's just say it ends up being a 2nd and a 3rd. So...

2022 1st (x2)
2022 2nd (x2)
2023 1st (x2)
2023 2nd (x2)
2024 2nd (x2)
2025 3rd (x2)

Even if we average out those picks to be #16 in their respective rounds, we could realistically trade both 2022 1st rounders for a 2022 2nd, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, 2024 1st, 2024 2nd. Then we have...

2022 2nd (x3)
2023 1st (x3)
2023 2nd (x3)
2024 1st (x3)
2024 2nd (x3)
2025 3rd (x2)

This gives the team another year to look at Love and if he isn't the guy, there is literally NO way the Packers can't trade up to the #1 overall pick in 2023 or 2024 with all of this draft capital. It makes me salivate thinking about the possibilities and I am dumbfounded at how some fans think keeping Rodgers is better for us a few years from now.

 

[sschind]

Agreed! Rodgers could get hurt tomorrow walking down some stairs and be done playing football. You DO NOT wait to trade a player if there are plans to eventually trade him (or if he wants to be traded). In exchange for Rodgers and a 2022 5th, 6th, 7th, 2023 5th, and 2024 7th I would want a 2022 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 2023 1st, 2nd, 4th, 2024 1st, 2nd. I think that is a reasonable starting point.

I'd trade Patrick Mahommes for that...almost

Eucher! Sheepshead at all?

Euchre for sure. played sheepshead a couple of times never got into it.

Sounds familiar. Been awhile but I’ve got those German Austrian roots yeah. I’ve probably been smeared once or twice
If not I’ve eaten enough grandmas German potatoe salad for all 3 of us.

Smeared, as in high low jack jick joker game of smear (or schmier) In my family we added the 5s to make it 17 points. I have no idea how to play now but weekends at my moms family campsite never went by without a game or two or twenty.

Played a lot of Buck Euchre with my dads family because there were usually more than 4 people who wanted in. They were farmers and always seemed to be in competition to see who could build the highest Harvestore (stack of blue chips representing sets) then they would make side bets for the high spade. Bet a certain number of chips and whoever had the highest spade between took them all.

I’m like an hour from Shreveport. We got the boats down here and everyone’s into blackjack, board games and slot. It’s all fun until you pay taxes on the winnings.

Im not much of a gambler but I love Euchre and love me some Texas Hold’em

I hate Texas hold'em, never got into a game where everyone used the same cards. Its kinda like a game of war but only one player flips a card. I love me some 5 card draw, 7 card stud and even a little no peek thrown in for variety. NO WILD CARDS ALLOWED.

I only play poker and occasionally Blackjack. I want some control over the decisions and slots dont give you that.

That's the way I feel. Its not always the best decisions but at least I can only blame myself when I lose.


Getting back to the Aaron Rodgers trade treasure, if we had a team built of all those high picks can you imagine what our salary cap would look like when all those studs came due for their second contracts.