Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Deleted member 6794]

Exactly and well said. This echo's what Florio and Simms said the other day. Basically it was "You can't have it both ways Aaron. That of being passive aggressive with your cryptic messages and then wonder why people aren't exactly correct when trying to connect the dots." Rodgers has made himself a public figure, if he wants to shut up and stay silent, then do so. But the B.S. stuff that Florio was referring to needs to stop then. Rodgers has it in his power to put an end to all the drama, just report or be very clear with everyone why you aren't going to. Why doesn't he want to do that? Because if he did, he gives up his power.

I'm sorry, Poker, but there's absolutely no reason to agree with Florio and put more value into his opinion than the one of the team's HOF quarterback.

And if the Packers don’t either get Rodgers back to the team or trade him before training camp then both Murphy and Gute deserve to be fired.

The Packers should have traded Rodgers before the draft if he truly doesn't want to play for them anymore. Otherwise the picks acquired for him won't end up being as valuable.

Yep. He acted like a child on draft night, became smugly sarcastic post-Favre, became egotistical, was called out by teammates for being a poor leader, started creating drama by dodging questions, and now he's a mix of everything.

I wouldn't put up with that even if he signed the vet minimum

The last sentence is the most stupid thing I have read about the situation so far.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm sorry, Poker, but there's absolutely no reason to agree with Florio and put more value into his opinion than the one of the team's HOF quarterback.

Opinion? I would call it an observation made by many and a correct one at that. Rodgers has rarely been straight up with things. Instead he likes to talk around them vaguely and indirectly. This seems to be his way of trying to intellectually separate himself from the rest of us.

 

[lambeaulambo]

This is definitely both...I think the 2 pieces of this that both need removing are Murphy and Rodgers. I understand that the team will suffer for awhile on the field due to losing a future hall of fame player, but allowing this to drag on and turn into this is also on the organization. We have already seen this show with Favre. Murphy reminds me of Goodell - bad communicator, and underhanded in the way he goes about his business. This is becoming more and more obvious.

 

[PackerDNA]

Despite all the gloom and doom in the media, I still see it as a very good possibility that this all gets worked out. Murphy's comment that negotiations are still ongoing coupled with Rogers comment that at this point everything is still on the table tell me it's still wide open. Why it's taking so long would seem to me that the Packers aren't yet willing to take the big long-term cap risk with Rodgers contract. And that's what they're going to have to do for Rodgers to stay here.

 

[AmishMafia]

Murphy reminds me of Goodell - bad communicator, and underhanded in the way he goes about his business. This is becoming more and more obvious.

Please give us an example of Murphy doing anything underhanded.

I would like to see an example of Goodell being underhanded as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think Murphy has done an excellent job on the business end of things for the Packers. However, I have really never been very impressed by him on the Football side of things. I do admit, I am basing that opinion mostly off of the few press conferences I have watched him do and some of the article quotes. He seems too detached from the football side of things, intentional or unintentional, yet occasionally wants to give people the impression that he is fully involved. Maybe he gives that same impression to players like Rodgers and ends up looking like a guy who is always on the fence, trying to please both sides? That works great when you are working with the City of Green Bay and representing the Packers, trying to make deals look good for both parties. However, I am not so sure it works when you have a guy like Gute that is supposed to be in charge of the Football operations and has his old uncle poking his nose in on occasion.

I would rather see a lot less of Murphy and just let Gute handle the Football end of things.

 

[sschind]

I'm sorry, Poker, but there's absolutely no reason to agree with Florio and put more value into his opinion than the one of the team's HOF quarterback.



The Packers should have traded Rodgers before the draft if he truly doesn't want to play for them anymore. Otherwise the picks acquired for him won't end up being as valuable.



The last sentence is the most stupid thing I have read about the situation so far.

Oh oh, captain said the s word.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Oh oh, captain said the s word.

Sadly, it was to me and he followed it with the "B word".

 

[gopkrs]

The Packers should have traded Rodgers before the draft if he truly doesn't want to play for them anymore. Otherwise the picks acquired for him won't end up being as valuable.

Evidently, they don't want to trade him. I am just not hung up on getting something "right now." Sometimes, you gotta let these things play out. I think they think, and I would agree, that having ARod for the next couple years would be in the best interest of the Green Bay Packers. But w/o giving up the farm. So what can they do but wait in that case?

 

[gopkrs]

Opinion? I would call it an observation made by many and a correct one at that. Rodgers has rarely been straight up with things. Instead he likes to talk around them vaguely and indirectly. This seems to be his way of trying to intellectually separate himself from the rest of us.

I can't blame him for that because of how words can be twisted. It is a bit of a game that ARod tries to stay ahead of. But I am one that believes if a player does not want to talk to the media (a la Sterling Sharpe); then I am perfectly fine with that. I mean, how many quotes are actually worth reading? I care about The Pack, not the soap opera.

 

[OldSchool101]

Amazing how many butt hurt fans there are all because a guy is standing up for what he wants. Welcome to the new world, it is not 1950 anymore, thankfully.

Disagree 100% and you don’t need to argue that I’m highly outnumbered. I already know that attitude far outweighs me and my supporters (in number only) and I’m perfectly at peace with that.

That’s that attitude en Vogue these days isn’t it? It’s ok for a player to stand up for what he believes in, but if a fan disagrees because they feel his actions are not proper in accordance to their belief system or possibly they see he treads on others to get his way... or he’s just didn’t hold his end of the bargain?
they are wrong and they get publicly scolded for it. While all along the 1 pointing his finger has his own 3 fingers pointing back at him.
It is now public knowledge that there are a great deal Packer fans disgruntled, it’s not our fault he won’t honor his contract. Try doing that with a real estate contract or any other contract and it won’t end well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But I am one that believes if a player does not want to talk to the media (a la Sterling Sharpe); then I am perfectly fine with that.

Agree, the problem is, that isn't what Rodgers is doing. I don't expect you to remember everything I write, but in an earlier statement I said this very thing, that I am fine with a player keeping his mouth shut. However, IF you are going to talk to Kenny Mayne, McAfee and others about problems and issues, then don't be so damn cryptic about it and pretend you are giving answers when in reality you are doing the exact opposite, you are further fanning the flames of drama and speculation.

 

[gopkrs]

Agree, the problem is, that isn't what Rodgers is doing. I don't expect you to remember everything I write, but in an early statement I said this very thing, that I am fine with a player keeping his mouth shut. However, IF you are going to talk to Kenny Mayne, McAfee and others about problems and issues, then don't be so damn cryptic about it and pretend you are giving answers when in reality you are doing the exact opposite, you are further fanning the flames of drama and speculation.

The point being that he has to talk to reporters per the NFL. So his only defense is being cryptic. Does not pay to be out and out honest with the media. Maybe you have a point about Kenny Mayne and others in that maybe he does not have to talk to them. But maybe talking to them means he does not have to talk to others. I don't know.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Gotta say Old School101 ...when I first saw your new Avatar of a Green and Yellow Hurricane, I figured it was positioned directly over Green Bay and was named Aaron.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The point being that he has to talk to reporters per the NFL. So his only defense is being cryptic. Does not pay to be out and out honest with the media. Maybe you have a point about Kenny Mayne and others in that maybe he does not have to talk to them. But maybe talking to them means he does not have to talk to others. I don't know.

I know exactly what you are saying and fully agree with you, but we all know this is who Aaron Rodgers is. He loves a good intellectual mind game and I think that is actually why we are where we are today.

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[OldSchool101]

Gotta say Old School101 ...when I first saw your new Avatar of a Green and Yellow Hurricane, I figured it was positioned directly over Green Bay and was named Aaron.

Funny I delete it by accident. That was the first pic I came across and it kinda fit the mood. Lol

 

[Ogsponge]

Disagree 100% and you don’t need to argue that I’m highly outnumbered. I already know that attitude far outweighs me and my supporters (in number only) and I’m perfectly at peace with that.

That’s that attitude en Vogue these days isn’t it? It’s ok for a player to stand up for what he believes in, but if a fan disagrees because they feel his actions are not proper in accordance to their belief system or possibly they see he treads on others to get his way... or he’s just didn’t hold his end of the bargain?
they are wrong and they get publicly scolded for it. While all along the 1 pointing his finger has his own 3 fingers pointing back at him.
It is now public knowledge that there are a great deal Packer fans disgruntled, it’s not our fault he won’t honor his contract. Try doing that with a real estate contract or any other contract and it won’t end well.

To be clear, I have no problem with a fan taking a stance on what they believe in, however, when people get overly angry about the situation and start calling Rodgers names, it is frankly childish and immature, it is basically everything they are accusing Rodgers of being.

As far as a contract goes, you are comparing apples to oranges, sports contracts are so different than most contracts. The closest example I can think of are CEO contracts, which pretty much always have buyout, severance packages included if the board decides to move on.

NFL contracts are so lopsided in favor of the team as they can simply can cut you at any time and not honor the contract or at least the not guaranteed portion. Let’s stop pretending like NFL Teams honor contracts unless said contract is written in a fashion to tremendously benefit them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

NFL contracts are so lopsided in favor of the team as they can simply can cut you at any time and not honor the contract or at least the not guaranteed portion. Let’s stop pretending like NFL Teams honor contracts unless said contract is written in a fashion to tremendously benefit them.

All contracts are written in such a way that usually provide both sides with outs. When you say that a team can cut a player at anytime and that doing so does "not honor the contract" you are really attempting to throw shade that isn't there. Cutting or keeping a player honors the terms of the contract. Now you might think its "dishonorable" for a team to invoke one of the terms of the contract and cut a player? That is a completely different matter and is more of a moral issue. If that is the case, look around at all professional sports and tell me that this practice isn't "business as usual" in all major sports. Why? Because teams aren't going to keep paying you when you are no longer earning what they contracted you to do and they can get someone else that is either better, cheaper or both to do the same work.

You might not like it, but that is professional sports. Many players negotiate upfront guaranteed money, I am sure you are fine with them keeping that, even if they don't earn it all?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Opinion? I would call it an observation made by many and a correct one at that. Rodgers has rarely been straight up with things. Instead he likes to talk around them vaguely and indirectly. This seems to be his way of trying to intellectually separate himself from the rest of us.

There is little value for Rodgers in saying anything publicly. No matter what he says, people have already made up there minds and will read whatever they want into what he says. Being quite is his best move because then the worst anyone can say is that he’s not saying enough. Also, by not saying anything publicly he’s not trapping himself in any corners.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

All contracts are written in such a way that usually provide both sides with outs. When you say that a team can cut a player at anytime and that doing so does "not honor the contract" you are really attempting to throw shade that isn't there. Cutting or keeping a player honors the terms of the contract. Now you might think its "dishonorable" for a team to invoke one of the terms of the contract and cut a player? That is a completely different matter. If that is the case, look around at all professional sports and tell me that this practice isn't "business as usual" in all major sports. Why? Because teams aren't going to keep you around when you no longer are earning what you were contracted to do and they can get some else that is either better, cheaper or both to do the same work.

You might not like it, but that is professional sports. Many players negotiate upfront guaranteed money, I am sure you are fine with them keeping that, even if they don't earn it all?

You pretend like the CBA being used isn’t negotiated with tremendous leverage by NFL owners. Don’t forget how short the average NFL career is and why that means NFL players aren’t willing to lock out as much as NBA or MLB players are. The contracts are structured in a way that is enormously advantageous to the teams and that’s because, of the 4 major shooters in the US, NFL players have the least bargaining power. I have no issue when players who have actual leverage use it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There is little value for Rodgers in saying anything publicly. No matter what he says, people have already made up there minds and will read whatever they want into what he says.

While I agree with the sentiment of your post, I disagree with the part about "no matter what he says, people have already made up their minds...." While I am not happy with Rodgers, I and many posters have repeatedly said "until we know the full story" or something like that. If Rodgers had a presser tomorrow and gave us some hardcore plausible facts about the situation, I would listen. If those facts shined a new light on the little verified information that we all are working from, then he probably would change my mind.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

While I agree with the sentiment of your post, I disagree with the part about "no matter what he says, people have already made up their minds...." While I am not happy with Rodgers, I and many posters have repeatedly said "until we know the full story" or something like that. If Rodgers had a presser tomorrow and have us some hardcore plausible facts about the situation, I would listen. If those facts shined a new light on the little verified information that we all are working from, then he probably would change my mind.

You sir are among the VERY tiny group of rational sports fans. Let’s not forget how popular Cowherd, Skip, Stephen A and their ilk are to most sports fans.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You sir are among the VERY tiny group of rational sports fans. Let’s not forget how popular Cowherd, Skip, Stephen A and their ilk are to most sports fans.

Well I'm not trying to sell clicks or anything else. But I do think everyone would get tired of me saying "if what we know is true, then....."

I would love to wake up to news that this was a Russian Hoax or an elaborate practical joke that Rodgers decided to play. I don't think that is happening though and until something actually breaks one way or another and we do have a clear picture, I just enjoy trying to put the puzzle together with each small piece that comes my way.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You pretend like the CBA being used isn’t negotiated with tremendous leverage by NFL owners.

I'm not pretending anything about how the contracts have evolved to where they are today. That isn't at all what is being discussed or debated here. The contracts are what they are, like them or not. Neither of which I have really given my opinion on. My point was a simple one, the poster seemed to think it was wrong of teams to cut players earlier then the length of their contract and in doing so aren't honoring the contracts. As I said, they very much are honoring the terms of the contract.

The NFLPA has made some great strides in players contracts, as have owners. If you think that the big bad owners are getting everything they want, read some articles, they aren't. Are they getting too much? My opinion? Hell yes...but so are the players.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

The contracts are what they are, like them or not. Neither of which I have really given my opinion on. My point was a simple one, the poster seemed to think it was wrong of teams to cut players earlier then the length of their contract and in doing so aren't honoring the contracts. As I said, they very much are honoring the terms of the contract.

Every contract in business has an exit strategy, or out clause, in case of an early termination. In such cases the contracts are deemed lawfully honored so long as the out clause was honored in full. Whether it be sports or a corporate job, out clauses usually entail paying the terminated person at least 25% of the remaining amount on the contract within a set time period.