Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[bigbubbatd]

That Broncos offer is similar to others that have seen. 3 firsts, a 2nd and at least one starter (maybe 2-3). The asking price for Rodgers is sky high and honestly if this team could get anything close to that it would be hard not to do it.

 

[El Guapo]

The funny thing is that none of these are concrete offers, they are just gossip on internet forums from anonymous NFL sources. They could be true, but then again, most likely are not.

I would absolutely take one of those deals though. Rodgers won't be around forever. Brady is a unicorn. Nobody was doling out rich contracts to WRs in 2002 when Jerry Rice was still tearing it up at 40yrs old -- because they knew he was also unique.

Take the generous offer, make everyone happy, and move on.

 

[GleefulGary]

Bridgewater went 5 and 0 (?) with the saints for drew

QB wins is not a stat.

 

[longtimefan]

QB wins is not a stat.

op said Bridgewater wouldnt be good enough to get to SB..I pointed to his wins to show what his record as a starter was. Regardless what you feel about it...QB get a record as a stat... I wonder if you ever used w-l as a stat??

But here are his passing stats

2019

1,384
9 td
2 int
99.1 rating
67.9 percentage
22 points per game
Def gave up 20 points a game

Not bad for being tossed in.

 

[longtimefan]

QB wins is not a stat.

Here you mentioned Bridgewater and wins..

Not being an ***, but like to know why you said this and why you said wins arent a stat

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[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not sure the Broncos will be all that even with Rodgers. I think the draft picks could still be top 20.

Well if he is traded to a team like the Raiders or Broncos, what you have to hope for is a season or 2 of injuries and setbacks that sends the trading team into a nose dive. I can only imagine having a top 5 pick, plus our own in every first round of the next 3 drafts.

 

[rmontro]

I would absolutely take one of those deals though. Rodgers won't be around forever.

I couldn't be too upset if they took one of those deals. I'd rather we keep Rodgers and let him finish his days in Green Bay. But I don't really expect us to win Super Bowls with him, because he's going to be taking up a huge amount of our cap. Last year was likely our best chance, and we blew it.

Something else to think about, Rodgers would likely have to approve of the team we trade him to, because if he doesn't, he can always retire and walk away.

 

[longtimefan]

I couldn't be too upset if they took one of those deals. I'd rather we keep Rodgers and let him finish his days in Green Bay. But I don't really expect us to win Super Bowls with him, because he's going to be taking up a huge amount of our cap. Last year was likely our best chance, and we blew it.

Something else to think about, Rodgers would likely have to approve of the team we trade him to, because if he doesn't, he can always retire and walk away.

for got the number, but rodgers accounts for highest percentage to cap..
And no team has ever won a SB with that percentage

 

[Spanky]

Spaulding is "Trade Rodgers" fans on this forum. Gutey is Judge Smails.*

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*and "nothing" means Rodgers stays in GB.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

All well and good, but the list of QBs who started early and flopped is much longer. Most of these guys had longer careers in college under stable situations.

Recapping Jordan Loves pre pro career:

Highly regarded coming out of HS
Took over as redshirt freshman and played well
Looked like a phenom as soph and potential high draft pick
Coaching change - new system - many new starters for Jr season
Did not look good as a Jr.

Had Love kept the same coaches and staff he would have had another year of development. He probably puts up a monster season and he probably goes to 10 in the draft.

His college career is a great example of the benefits of developing.

And not sure what the trade up has to do with when you start him. He is on the team and we should put him in the best position to suceed, whether we acquired him by a trade up, down, stayed put, udfa, trade, cloned Starr, etc.

I'm just saying how many GMs draft a QB early and then say "oh wait you know, I'd better keep this guy riding the bench for four or five years because ummm, he might not be ready."

Pretty much no one no matter what team they're GMing does that because it's pointless.

Of course the list of guys starting early and flopping is longer because that's the way the odds work in this league. But it's ridiculous to think sticking them on the bench longer before they start is going to increase their odds.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

How many started because of injury . I dont see mahomes? He was in 2nd year. That would be 3

"Machines" lol

I didn't realize the stupid auto correct had switched that out with Mahomes

 

[longtimefan]

I'm just saying how many GMs draft a QB early and then say "oh wait you know, I'd better keep this guy riding the bench for four or five years because ummm, he might not be ready."

Pretty much no one no matter what team they're GMing does that because it's pointless.

Of course the list of guys starting early and flopping is longer because that's the way the odds work in this league. But it's ridiculous to think sticking them on the bench longer before they start is going to increase their odds.

Who said packers were doing that? Im pretty sure this has been beaten to death.

But like it or not..People here and around the league have noticed rodgers was showing issues in his accuracy and some other aspects. ( Again this has been beaten to death so just dont even debate this)

With that thinking the fo prob figured 2023 would be it. If not 2022.

They may not have told rodgers but im sure he knew this...So they took love to start at the earliest in 22 but probably 23

But rodgers had the Year he did and Hence the term money wrench in their plans comment.


Not sure why people cant understand this

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I think the the "problems" you might encounter with starting Love this year are compounded by a few things.

• Jumping in right after Rodgersgate might not be the ideal scenario for what I consider a rookie.
• Most would still want to view the Packers as a playoff contender and if that doesn't happen, Love might be blamed by many.

Basically, if the Packers were in full blown rebuild and not expected to compete, the pressure on Love to perform well would be marginal. The added pieces about why and when he was drafted and potentially that being the straw that broke Aaron' back, that could just add another huge layer of potential nastiness on his attempt at taking over for the Packers GOAT.

If I am Gute and MLF and Rodgers is gone, no way am I tossing Love into that fire right now.

Which is why Bortles is here. I mean we only signed him to a 1-year deal, and if he tanks he can take the heat and at the same time give us high draft capital and buy Love one more year.

 

[OldSchool101]

Now to be clear, I'm not saying it's gotta be now that he's put in, but I definitely think it's gotta be 2022 at minimum if Rodgers is gone. And I back that up by the fact that all the following QBs were starters by year 2 at the latest:

While I agree with several points you made. This list is not a list of comparable QB’s in relation to experience level or draft position.

Favre
Both Mannings
McNabb
Brady
Brees
Rothlisberger
Ryan
Stafford
Dalton
Prescott
Goff
Mayfield
Machines

List could go on with many names, but the point being even if you don't start Love now, you shouldn't just go suspending his starting date indefinitely just because you're too afraid to risk starting him. Spending a first round pick on a QB obligates you to get him on that field and see if he'll swim or sink. Delaying this does not change the risk.

75% of those QB’s came into the NFL as graduating Seniors. Love did not, he finished as a Junior.
Of the remaining 3 QB’s... 2 were drafted top #4 over all (#1 overall and #4 overall).

The closest example you listed? Rothlesburger was drafted #11 overall and a Heisman nominee. So that’s not backing up your statement that Love should be on these guys level.
How many of those QB’s got ZERO reps in preseason during their respective Rookie seasons?
How many of that list as Rookies had zero OTA’s or live camp to practice installs?

Love is coming in with 1/2 of a Redshirt season. Literally 1 to 2 seasons behind the experience level of 100% of that list. He was deemed to be a high ceiling 2-3 year project and he’s .5 seasons in.

I would however like to add that I agree with your bullet points 1-3 and add a point. How much of Bortles (drafted #4 overall day1) success/failures can attributed to poor scheme fit? Notice the one season in 2017 where he was sacked limited times (24) he lost in the AFC game to Brady in a nail biter. GB is one of the better protection fits for him. Bortles 2017 successful campaign post season proved his ability to manage high profile games with confidence and competence. Also his familiarity with the McVay system there in LA is huge as he’s already primed for a similar concepts. There’s a reasonable chance Bortles thrives in GB and especially if GB were to get another stellar chess piece in a trade. I think Bortles is easily both the #2 QB front runner option after Rodgers and a great signing to buy us needed time.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

While I agree with several points you made. This list is not a list of comparable QB’s in relation to experience level or draft position.

75% of those QB’s came into the NFL as graduating Seniors. Love did not, he finished as a Junior.
Of the remaining 3 QB’s... 2 were drafted top #4 over all (#1 overall and #4 overall).

The closest example you listed? Rothlesburger was drafted #11 overall and a Heisman nominee. So that’s not backing up your statement. How many of those QB’s got ZERO reps in preseason? How many of that list as Rookies had zero OTA’s or live camp to practice installs?

Love is coming in with 1/2 of a Redshirt season. Literally 1 to 2 seasons behind the experience level of 100% of that list.

Yes the COVID thing and Love declaring early may be cause to delay him a little. But even so, I don't think prolonging his time on the bench gets him much more ready to go except maybe helping him make up for lost preseason action. The list was just QBs off the top of my head, but the point being teams that grab their guys usually aren't going to delay playing them long regardless of Heisman candidacy status.

I've got all my eggs in the Love basket. So don't want another young guy. And Lock has not been very impressive imho though I have not centered on him at all. Still rather have Rodgers. But not at a debilitating cost.

I'm guessing Poker probably figured Love would be given first priority, but Lock would be behind as sort of a Brian Brohm option. I could see how that might work in a trade option, but with Lock's rookie contract up before Love's is, his time here would probably be short lived with potentially no playing time at all.

 

[swhitset]

It co

Yeah, like I have said a few times, I don't expect that kind of "haul". If its on the table though and Rodgers isn't coming back, I'm grabbing it.

The "Good news" for the Packers, if there is any truth to the rumors, having both AFC West division members, Denver and Las Vegas potentially in a bidding war against each other for Rodgers, could up the haul.

it could also cause both teams to back away.

 

[rmontro]

for got the number, but rodgers accounts for highest percentage to cap..
And no team has ever won a SB with that percentage

Makes you almost want to see the Packers cash Rodgers in while he's still got good value. Best case scenario, things turn out to be a Herschel Walker like trade for us. Except I doubt any team we trade Rodgers to is going to suck as bad as the Vikings. Of course it could go the opposite way and usher in a dark era for the Packers too. I feel like MLF can deliver with a balanced roster though.

Does Gute go with the HOF quarterback who's the big draw? Or does he think he can build his own team?

 

[AmishMafia]

I'm just saying how many GMs draft a QB early and then say "oh wait you know, I'd better keep this guy riding the bench for four or five years because ummm, he might not be ready."

Pretty much no one no matter what team they're GMing does that because it's pointless.

Of course the list of guys starting early and flopping is longer because that's the way the odds work in this league. But it's ridiculous to think sticking them on the bench longer before they start is going to increase their odds.

You are correct. Very few GMs do that. And there are not many star QBs either.

Of course we will never know for sure, but I do believe it is the smart way to go and far from pointless.

Most GMs are having to prove themselves and having a high draft pick sit makes them look bad. They also have to worry about fan support and attendance and an owner with the eye on the bottom line.

I don't think Rodgers makes it in the NFL if he started right away. He had a "Tedford release" and dropped in the draft because of it. Rodgers worked for 3 years on his release mechanics and developed the best release I have ever seen. He really just snapped the ball and it was gone. That, IMHO, is the biggest reason he succeeded. His release.

 

[thequick12]

Please stop trying to equate professional sports to regular joe average jobs. It just sounds silly.

It's no different sir, that's the problem fans have...they think it's is

They trade the one priceless commodity they have their time, for the most money they can get just like all of us trade our time for the most we can get for the most part

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't think Rodgers makes it in the NFL if he started right away. He had a "Tedford release" and dropped in the draft because of it. Rodgers worked for 3 years on his release mechanics and developed the best release I have ever seen. He really just snapped the ball and it was gone. That, IMHO, is the biggest reason he succeeded. His release.

His release is still an amazing thing to witness. I’ve seen times where he barely moves his arm and the ball travels on a dime 10 yards past LOS.

I like what you said about the business side of things also. There’s pressure from the top to provide a fan“experience” that is unique unto itself. It definitely becomes a factor in indirectly shaping the direction of personnel decisions. Although one could argue that Winning covers a lot of Sins and the FO has achieved that in its quest with Rodgers at the forefront.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You are correct. Very few GMs do that. And there are not many star QBs either.

Of course we will never know for sure, but I do believe it is the smart way to go and far from pointless.

Most GMs are having to prove themselves and having a high draft pick sit makes them look bad. They also have to worry about fan support and attendance and an owner with the eye on the bottom line.

I don't think Rodgers makes it in the NFL if he started right away. He had a "Tedford release" and dropped in the draft because of it. Rodgers worked for 3 years on his release mechanics and developed the best release I have ever seen. He really just snapped the ball and it was gone. That, IMHO, is the biggest reason he succeeded. His release.

Also, the extra 'A' in his first name. Just look at him and Jones... Got to be something with that extra 'A'.

 

[PackAttack12]

Meanwhile, the Packers have to accept that they didn't quite pull Aaron into the fold like he wanted to be. Keep him better informed, let him be involved in some conversations, but be clear that he isn't making the decisions. Layout when and how he will be involved.

I've been saying this needs to be the norm for years now. Many brushed off my concerns about axing his QB coach without giving him a heads up, releasing Jordy without a heads up, drafting Love without a heads up, hiring LaFleur with essentially no input, etc.

Now it's reached the point of a crossroads when this could have been very easily avoided by using some general common sense and reasoning that you want to appease your superstar player, without even having to concede decision making input.

It was all good while Rodgers was being a good solider and kept chugging along. But now that he's created a situation about it, now the Packers seem concerned?

If I could've seen this coming, the Packers should have as well.

 

[gbgary]

got a feeling the Packers are going to cave. smh lol

 

[Mondio]

I've been saying this needs to be the norm for years now. Many brushed off my concerns about axing his QB coach without giving him a heads up, releasing Jordy without a heads up, drafting Love without a heads up, hiring LaFleur with essentially no input, etc.

Now it's reached the point of a crossroads when this could have been very easily avoided by using some general common sense and reasoning that you want to appease your superstar player, without even having to concede decision making input.

It was all good while Rodgers was being a good solider and kept chugging along. But now that he's created a situation about it, now the Packers seem concerned?

If I could've seen this coming, the Packers should have as well.

and if you think putting Rodgers in on the decision making won't have consequences down the road, you're not seeing it all either. Most of these guys believe in themselves above anyone else. They all think they're valuable and have valuable input to all decisions too. Start giving someone more than they're paid to do, it will only be a matter of time until you have a whole new set of issues.

Rodgers is QB, he should concentrate on that. Besides, what really is going to be accomplished on draft day when you're on the clock, "hey aaron, we're going to take a QB ok"? what purpose would that serve? He's still going to be pissed.

 

[PackAttack12]

and if you think putting Rodgers in on the decision making won't have consequences down the road, you're not seeing it all either.

Input perhaps on a coaching candidate, but just a heads up on personnel matters. That's all. Just a heads up. Especially when you're releasing a player or axing the QB coach.

Most of these guys believe in themselves above anyone else. They all think they're valuable and have valuable input to all decisions too. Start giving someone more than they're paid to do, it will only be a matter of time until you have a whole new set of issues.

The Tampa Bay Bucs seemed to not have any issues with Brady having input on personnel decisions all the way to winning a Super Bowl.

Rodgers is QB, he should concentrate on that. Besides, what really is going to be accomplished on draft day when you're on the clock, "hey aaron, we're going to take a QB ok"? what purpose would that serve? He's still going to be pissed.

Gute knew for weeks he coveted Jordan Love. Let's not kid ourselves. Rodgers openly said "we've never drafted a 1st round receiver, so that'd be kind of cool". Yet he finds out his replacement is being drafted from the mouth of Roger Goodell just like all of the fans around the world.

Gute said he should have communicated it better. So I'm not sure why some fans seem to think there aren't any issues with how it was communicated when the GM admitted that he botched the whole thing.