Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[DoURant]

Word on the street is the past week has been a little rough on GM Brian Gutekunst. Of course these are just rumors, with nothing substantial to verify this.

 

[LetzBreel]

So ... I guess here's what just drives me nuts about all that is that it seems like some fans feel they have the right to just jump in and tell him what to do with his family, dating life, and what not. Sorry but they don't.

Rodgers is a public figure yes, and unfortunately when you are some of your personal life will also become public. But I'm still old fashioned enough to say that I think people should just stay out of it with their judgments.

Don't really know his parents, but sounds like they got problems respecting grown men decisions if they don't agree with them. And don't even get me started on those two loser brothers he has who do nothing all day except sit on their dumb @sses, take to Twitter, and puff out their chests over nothing. I got no respect for them whatsoever.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Rodgers keeps his personal life separate from his career as do most other athletes and businessmen.

Do you really believe that Rodgers reads this stuff? Why would he care what I think of him and his family? He keeps his personal life separate from football? We literally know everything thing he does because he can't get enough of himself. He is a publicity *****.

 

[LetzBreel]

Oh and by the way, Adam Theilen must be good friends with #12. Maybe they will get a chance to play together. Wouldn't be surprised. Obviously, #12 is trying to do his best #4 impersonation.

 

[PackAttack12]

I see some are still clinging to the lie that Rodgers was in decline for 4 years before 2020. ha.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But I will be honest and say that if I meet someone in my life and they don't talk to their family that's a definite red flag to me that something might not be right here. I'm not saying it's not possible to have a just reason to not talk to your family. I'm just saying if you don't talk to the people who are supposed to be closest to you, it makes me wonder and be wary.

I wont go too deep into this, but as the old saying goes "You can pick your friends, but you can't pick your family. I actually have a lot more respect for someone that can distance themselves from an "unhealthy" family situation. I also hear many people talk of family like its an obligation and not that deep of a desire to spend time with them.

Not judging Rodgers as right or wrong or anyone. All I am pointing out is that I feel there is a misconception that family SHOULD mean everything to everyone. Because in some situations that would be an unhealthy take on ones life.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It can become a term of endearment if he turns his tenure around fixes this situation...wins a Superbowl and love becomes the starter in 2023 and for the next 15 years or he trades Love and Rodgers goes in a TB esk late career run...

You must be a hell of a catch for the ladies!

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Well the good news, I am 100% sure that the Packers drafted Love not expecting him to contribute anything in 2020, because that would have meant Rodgers probably got hurt, so mission accomplished.

As far as your insistence that anyone besides Love would have served the Packers better and been the winning difference in the NFCCG, you just can't see the forest for the trees can you? Did Gary take the Packers to the SB in 2019? He was a #12 pick and not a QB. I actually agree 100% with Amish, Loves greatest contribution last year might have been influencing Rodgers to step up his game, which if you look at the difference between 2019 and 20, was a big difference. Potentially more than Patrick Queen might have provided. But you can't see that, because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Huh. You should read what I said prior. I didn't say "anyone" I specifically mentioned two players that many liked and who played very well as rookies for teams with worse quarterbacks: Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman Jr.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Huh. You should read what I said prior. I didn't say "anyone" I specifically mentioned two players that many liked and who played very well as rookies for teams with worse quarterbacks: Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman Jr.

Then you should stay consistent:

Hmmm... No sane person blames the loss on Rodgers. Trading a potential Super Bowl for an unknown rookie QB is a terrible idea. Inactive players don't add any help while active players can.

I am chatting back and forth with at least 3 or 4 of you that seem to be persistent that Love was a bad pick, because another player potentially gives the Packers enough help to get them to the Super Bowl.

Now if you want to "post pick players in a draft" based on what they did and assume they would do the same with the Packers, not get injured, not fumble on a big play, etc. so be it, but I would call that closer to Madden Football then the real thing. Like I said in a few posts, I can play that game too and repick the last 5 Drafts and even include Love in those re-do's and have a kick *** team. Stop trying to make points with your fantasy insertions.

 

[Half Empty]

I see some are still clinging to the lie that Rodgers was in decline for 4 years before 2020. ha.

I realize that one can define 'decline' in any number of ways, but all of the following declined each year from 2016-2019 (with 2017 adjusted for his 7 games and allowing that TDs actually did increase by one from 2018 to 2019) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm :

Completion %
TDs
QB rating (the one where you can go over 100)
QBR

So there has to be some consideration given to the opinion that he was declining.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So there has to be some consideration given to the opinion that he was declining.

Problem is, that doesn't allow people to point to 2020, which was after the Love pick that they are hanging their hats on as being a bad pick because.......see....Rodgers wasn't declining!

There really should be a separate forum. "Green Bay Fantasy Football - What if we had a crystal ball and 20/20 hind site...as GM your moves?"

 

[gopkrs]

I see some are still clinging to the lie that Rodgers was in decline for 4 years before 2020. ha.

It seems to me that his running ability is a lot less. He could be having some knee problems with the way he looks when he runs. imo Comparing that to Brady...Brady pretty much looks the same as far as his knees are concerned. But Brady does look to me like he is getting to that near point of the end. Rodgers may not last as long. Not to say I don't want Aaron next year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It seems to me that his running ability is a lot less. He could be having some knee problems with the way he looks when he runs. imo Comparing that to Brady...Brady pretty much looks the same as far as his knees are concerned. But Brady does look to me like he is getting to that near point of the end. Rodgers may not last as long. Not to say I don't want Aaron next year.

Stop! With that kind of talk or the Packers will be trading Rodgers away or drafting another QB!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

More chat about the Broncos and why a trade to them is possible/makes sense.

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[Do7]

This is just me, but I think he stays.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

It seems to me that his running ability is a lot less. He could be having some knee problems with the way he looks when he runs. imo Comparing that to Brady...Brady pretty much looks the same as far as his knees are concerned. But Brady does look to me like he is getting to that near point of the end. Rodgers may not last as long. Not to say I don't want Aaron next year.

Umm, how many 38-year old plus QBs do you usually see running around the football field?

 

[Do7]

Umm, how many 38-year old plus QBs do you usually see running around the football field?

I mean Vick just recently ran a 40 yard dash in 4.72 secs for charity. Not bad for a forty year old. XD

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I realize that one can define 'decline' in any number of ways, but all of the following declined each year from 2016-2019 (with 2017 adjusted for his 7 games and allowing that TDs actually did increase by one from 2018 to 2019) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm :

Completion %
TDs
QB rating (the one where you can go over 100)
QBR

So there has to be some consideration given to the opinion that he was declining.

I look at it this way

Rodgers has had some ups and downs in his numbers. For example, his TD to int ratio was actually worse in 2010 than it was in 2009.

Also, seems like people want to start the Rodgers decline talk at the 4-year period from 2016 on out in order to control the narrative while purposefully leaving 2015 out. That year his TD total dropped by 7 from 2014, his pass yards by more than 500, and his completion % by 5 points.

My guess is that's because his numbers jumped back up again next year after he started the run the table thing. Went back up to 40 TDs and 4,400 plus yards, and the 104 rating.

Now, it's true the normal rating and the QBR both dropped from 2016 to 2017, but they were both still better than 2015. Imo, you can't judge accurately whether he was in total decline from 2016 through the short period of 2017 because he never got to finish that year. Plus he was on a TD pass tear in the two games leading up to the Barr incident.

The only seasons I point to as a decline barometer are 2018 and 2019. But the reason I didn't sound off the alarm bells over that was because Favre had a similar thing happen in the two-year period from the year Sherman got fired and McCarthy taking over. His numbers were pretty bad there, but then jumped up again in McCarthy's second year kind of like Rodgers's did last year.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm

Guess all that to say coaches going bad, new systems having to be installed, all of those can have a correlation to a player declining or getting resurrected.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Also, seems like people want to start the Rodgers decline talk at the 4-year period from 2016 on out in order to control the narrative while purposefully leaving 2015 out.

I think there are also other factors at play besides just his performance and that is the big picture of Aaron Rodgers and the organization. The big picture includes performance, age, injuries, salary and chemistry with team, coaches and FO. He isn't just another guy that doesn't effect the team all that much whether he is on it or not. Further, he can be a guy that effects the team in a very positive way or potentially a very negative way. So it is very layered and complex when you sit down and think about it.

I think we can all agree that his performance has been up and down, but still at a very high caliber and really not a big question in this. Perhaps how long he will perform at that level plays into it.

His salary is a big factor. Those thinking that he is worth $45 M/ year might be right, but how does that effect the team immediately and in the future?

His age and injuries. There aren't a lot of QB's that have beaten Father Time and yes Brady has, but thinking Rodgers will, just because he says he can, is something you have to be very aware of. Brees and Manning both seemed to just have the bottom drop out on them as they neared 40.

Personality. This is probably the hardest thing for all of us to get an accurate measure of. We see and hear/read things that point to just about everything from being the greatest teammate ever, to a real SOB that has no patience. So which one is it? Or does it depend? I don't know. I think the coaches and his teammates probably do to some extent.

 

[PackAttack12]

I realize that one can define 'decline' in any number of ways, but all of the following declined each year from 2016-2019 (with 2017 adjusted for his 7 games and allowing that TDs actually did increase by one from 2018 to 2019) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm :

Completion %
TDs
QB rating (the one where you can go over 100)
QBR

So there has to be some consideration given to the opinion that he was declining.

I wouldn't start the decline with 2016 because he had a better year in 2016 than 2015.

One thing I've also noticed is that people grossly mischaracterize Rodgers' 2017 season. It's like some forget what actually happened and leap directly to the numbers.

Before the collarbone injury, Rodgers was on pace for:

66.6% completions (better than 2016)
41.6 TDs (better than 2016)
106.14 rating (better than 2016)
4,374 yards (54 yards less)
67.6 QBR (~5 points less)

Some categories are better, some are slightly worse. And yes, he was on pace for 2 more interceptions, but like I've said in the past, Rodgers historically has been known to start some seasons slow. In the 3 games leading up to collarbone injury:

67% completions
10 TD/1 INT
118 rating
73 QBR
713 yards

3-0 record

Even if you take all of the first 5 games into consideration, it was well in line with his 2016 numbers.

Now, if you want to make a decline argument and when it started, I would go with 2018. There was most definitely a 2 year stretch where he didn't put up the numbers that he is accustomed to putting up.

And we can debate back and forth on the cause of that, or what some reasonable explanations are for that, but there has NOT been a 4 year decline. That's just lunacy.

 

[PackAttack12]

I look at it this way

Rodgers has had some ups and downs in his numbers. For example, his TD to int ratio was actually worse in 2010 than it was in 2009.

Also, seems like people want to start the Rodgers decline talk at the 4-year period from 2016 on out in order to control the narrative while purposefully leaving 2015 out. That year his TD total dropped by 7 from 2014, his pass yards by more than 500, and his completion % by 5 points.

My guess is that's because his numbers jumped back up again next year after he started the run the table thing. Went back up to 40 TDs and 4,400 plus yards, and the 104 rating.

Now, it's true the normal rating and the QBR both dropped from 2016 to 2017, but they were both still better than 2015. Imo, you can't judge accurately whether he was in total decline from 2016 through the short period of 2017 because he never got to finish that year. Plus he was on a TD pass tear in the two games leading up to the Barr incident.

The only seasons I point to as a decline barometer are 2018 and 2019. But the reason I didn't sound off the alarm bells over that was because Favre had a similar thing happen in the two-year period from the year Sherman got fired and McCarthy taking over. His numbers were pretty bad there, but then jumped up again in McCarthy's second year kind of like Rodgers's did last year.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm

Guess all that to say coaches going bad, new systems having to be installed, all of those can have a correlation to a player declining or getting resurrected.

Same thing happened to Brady at a similar age.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Then you should stay consistent:



I am chatting back and forth with at least 3 or 4 of you that seem to be persistent that Love was a bad pick, because another player potentially gives the Packers enough help to get them to the Super Bowl.

Now if you want to "post pick players in a draft" based on what they did and assume they would do the same with the Packers, not get injured, not fumble on a big play, etc. so be it, but I would call that closer to Madden Football then the real thing. Like I said in a few posts, I can play that game too and repick the last 5 Drafts and even include Love in those re-do's and have a kick *** team. Stop trying to make points with your fantasy insertions.

Sorry, I'm not repeating every line I've said from every post in a discussion to make things easier for you. You should appreciate my very Gute-like approach on this.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Same thing happened to Brady at a similar age.

Right, but are you going to take the chance that Rodgers follows Brady's exact footsteps AND potentially handcuff the team well into the future with that hope?

 

[PackAttack12]

Right, but are you going to take the chance that Rodgers follows Brady's exact footsteps AND potentially handcuff the team well into the future with that hope?

I'm saying it's possible.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm saying it's possible.

It's possible I fill my Royal Flush in the next 3 cards. Now I just have to figure out how much I am willing to wager that it will happen and if it doesn't, did I push too far in and if I did, how many hands will it take to come back to where I was?

 

[Do7]

It's possible I fill my Royal Flush in the next 3 cards. Now I just have to figure out how much I am willing to wager that it will happen and if it doesn't, did I push too far in and if I did, how many hands will it take to come back to where I was?

My thing is this. Even if he does drop off a bit, how much better do you think others would be in comparison to him? While his abilities may take a dip, his IQ won't. Imo his IQ is second only to Brady and you see how well he's doing even though he has dipped a bit.