Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well, he's critical of Rodgers at times yes, but at least he'll usually listen to reason when you give it to him

I think the people who been dead set on cheering Rodgers out of here are in a quite small minority but just seem to have louder voices on here. The way they keep using Favre as a foil tells me they just been bitter all these years since he left - for whatever strange reason - and somehow think Rodgers being shipped out is some form of poetic justice, or some other demented sadistic thing they want.

Just in case you are grouping me in this "ship Rogers out of here group", I would love to see him stay. You and I just disagree on some of the nuances of the situation.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

First post in a long time. I hope Rogers and the Packers can work this out and he stays around. I don’t like hearing that if Rogers leaves, Adams may follow. This is getting to sound a little too much like the NBA.
Mt gut feeling………Rogers will be at the helm again in Sept.

I think that's what the players want (to be more like the NBA). Tom Brady leaving last year will be felt for a long time. Studs recruiting other studs to create power teams. More say in personnel decisions. Players getting their coaches fired. We're seeing it happen in slow mo.

 

[GleefulGary]

I think that's what the players want (to be more like the NBA). Tom Brady leaving last year will be felt for a long time. Studs recruiting other studs to create power teams. More say in personnel decisions. Players getting their coaches fired. We're seeing it happen in slow mo.

And they will do like those sports, and drive more fans out than before.

 

[Cornelius Weems]

Love is not ready and looking like a bad pick. The GM still says he is not ready, will he even suit up this year? He wasn't in uniform all last year and the Packers moved up to get him. They pissed off the best QB we ever had for him. What a stupid pick, if this ends badly, we'll have a 3rd stringer starting. No Rodgers will be a 4-12 season, at best. I'm not extremely optimistic. I'm not exactly a big fan of this, but some management heads need to roll. Dumb decision after dumb decision seems like they think that no one remembers the 1980's

 

[Cornelius Weems]

I think that's what the players want (to be more like the NBA). Tom Brady leaving last year will be felt for a long time. Studs recruiting other studs to create power teams. More say in personnel decisions. Players getting their coaches fired. We're seeing it happen in slow mo.

This is a foolish statement. The NBA is the NBA. And times change, 10 years ago players his age were also long retired.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

And they will do like those sports, and drive more fans out than before.

Like those other sports, they don't care because they keep printing money.

 

[Simms87]

I think that's what the players want (to be more like the NBA). Tom Brady leaving last year will be felt for a long time. Studs recruiting other studs to create power teams. More say in personnel decisions. Players getting their coaches fired. We're seeing it happen in slow mo.

I agree that players would want that, but I doubt it happens. You need around 20-30 really good players in the NFL to win, 3 like in the NBA is not enough.

I think the Bucs last year was more an anomaly than the norm, most often these teams considered “super teams” after major FA acquisations during the offseason disappoint and are far away from the SB.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

I think that's what the players want (to be more like the NBA). Tom Brady leaving last year will be felt for a long time. Studs recruiting other studs to create power teams. More say in personnel decisions. Players getting their coaches fired. We're seeing it happen in slow mo.

As much as I love watching football, that may be the end for me. I've been cooling off with all the shenanigans that have been going on. Now Rodgers. If the players start running the teams......

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Like I said a few weeks ago, if Rodgers is gone, not so sure I would be in a hurry to resign Adams. If he says that he is gone too, I say trade him now while you can maximize the value that you get. Sounds harsh, but if he isn't coming back in 2022, 2021 is officially the start of rebuild and you might as well get some drafts picks for Davante, as well as get other WR's more playing time.

Imagine THAT trade...Rodgers + Davante.....for ??

Why stop there??? Let's just trade every good player on the roster to get as many draft picks as possible. That sounds like a lot of fun

Finally, while I don't buy the narrative that our roster is Rodgers and no one else, I do think that we are the type of team that needs a decent QB who is a good passer at the very least, and unless we are able to get a star QB after Rodgers(whether through a trade or Love being that good), I think we also need another big-time playmaker on offense to be a super bowl contender.

The Packers wouldn't be a legit Super Bowl contender without Rodgers at this point. Another big-time playmaker wouldn't change anything about that.

Rodgers jumping off point is as soon as today or as far away as when he retires. Whenever that day comes, I don't think the Packers will be the same for several years.

I agree, that's why the Packers should have used last year's draft to improve the roster around Rodgers and not to plan for the future when they will decline anyway.

I think that's what the players want (to be more like the NBA). Tom Brady leaving last year will be felt for a long time. Studs recruiting other studs to create power teams.

Fortunately the NFL's version of the salary cap will prevent that from happening.

 

[Half Empty]

This is a foolish statement. The NBA is the NBA. And times change, 10 years ago players his age were also long retired.

Pretty hard to argue with the second and third sentences. Don't see how that makes the first one any more valid.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Why stop there??? Let's just trade every good player on the roster to get as many draft picks as possible. That sounds like a lot of fun

I know you are trying to be funny, but do tell me your logic behind why you would not consider trading Adams in the scenario of him telling Packer Management that if Rodgers isn't a Packer, he wont resign? He has already come out and said that if his QB isn't there, it would make him think about resigning.

"So, it would change a lot. Doesn't mean potentially I'd be gone, but I'd definitely have to do some extra thinking if my guy wasn't here."

Proud of 'connection' with QB, Green Bay Packers WR Davante Adams would do 'extra thinking' on future if Aaron Rodgers leaves (espn.com)

I agree, that's why the Packers should have used last year's draft to improve the roster around Rodgers and not to plan for the future when they will decline anyway.

LOL, you just can't get by this can you and how long do you plan on using it for "everything wrong with the Packers"? I mean come on Captain, the Packers were a play a way from being in the Super Bowl, it wasn't like the 2020 draft made them worse! Yeah, yeah, "F*ck long term plans, lets draft for now, because any players besides the ones they drafted might of made the difference in that one single game." On the same note, any player that played that day, including Rodgers, might have made even a bigger difference.

 

[GleefulGary]

Like those other sports, they don't care because they keep printing money.

Over time they will care.

 

[Half Empty]

Maybe, but I'd like it to be in my lifetime.

 

[PackAttack12]

Well, he's critical of Rodgers at times yes, but at least he'll usually listen to reason when you give it to him

I think I've heard it all now.

 

[PackAttack12]

I know you are trying to be funny, but do tell me your logic behind why you would not consider trading Adams in the scenario of him telling Packer Management that if Rodgers isn't a Packer, he wont resign? He has already come out and said that if his QB isn't there, it would make him think about resigning.


LOL, you just can't get by this can you and how long do you plan on using it for "everything wrong with the Packers"? I mean come on Captain, the Packers were a play a way from being in the Super Bowl, it wasn't like the 2020 draft made them worse! Yeah, yeah, "F*ck long term plans, lets draft for now, because any players besides the ones they drafted might of made the difference in that one single game." On the same note, any player that played that day, including Rodgers, might have made even a bigger difference.

Literally any players used with picks 1 and 4 in that draft would've had a better chance to contribute to the Packers chances of winning a Super Bowl. And don't give me the "well if Rodgers would've went down", because 1. Love wasn't even good enough to win the backup job and 2. The Packers Super Bowl chances are literally **** without Rodgers.

So again. LITERALLY any two players selected with the Packers 1st and 4th round selections would've had a better chance to contribute to the team's chances to win a Super Bowl. You could've even used those draft selections to trade for another big time difference maker.

But instead, why not use those resources to begin the process of getting a 36 year old Rodgers out of town.

Face it. The Packers have egg on their faces. If they had even the slightest hope that Love is anything like what they hoped he would be, they wouldn't be kissing Rodgers' *** right now.

 

[GleefulGary]

Love not being good enough to win the backup job is a statement ignoring A LOT. It’s lazy, missing context, and you’re usually a lot better than that PackAttack.

 

[PackAttack12]

Love not being good enough to win the backup job is a statement ignoring A LOT. It’s lazy, missing context, and you’re usually a lot better than that PackAttack.

I'm fully aware that there wasn't a preseason and limited practices and la la la. I get all of that. But he wasn't ready or wasn't good enough at any point in the season to be considered good enough to suit up. The Packers knew the concerns about the season on draft night.

So like I said, fair or not from your perspective, my bigger point still remains.

I appreciate you holding me to a high standard though. No sarcasm.

 

[longtimefan]

I'm fully aware that there wasn't a preseason and limited practices and la la la. I get all of that. But he wasn't ready or wasn't good enough at any point in the season to be considered good enough to suit up. The Packers knew the concerns about the season on draft night.

So like I said, fair or not from your perspective, my bigger point still remains.

Packers knew there would be no preseason games?

And yes he wasnt good enough to be back up..we all know this and understand.

But it seems you are hanging your hat on last offseason contributed NOTHING to him not being the back up.

Where myself and others believe that it had a huge impact

 

[rdawsoniii]

Rodgers should be renegotiating his contract to free up cap space, not take up more of it.

 

[longtimefan]

Rodgers should be renegotiating his contract to free up cap space, not take up more of it.

Im sure that isnt the case

Edit

He will be highest paid but I think it will hp the team out

 

[Krabs]

Rodgers should be renegotiating his contract to free up cap space, not take up more of it.

As Rodgers has said himself, why wouldn't the best player on the team make the most money? If you are at your job and the company can only afford to pay people certain wages and you were the best employee how would you feel if others got paid more? Of course, you would take a pay cut because it is for the greater good. I'm not buying it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Packers knew there would be no preseason games?

And yes he wasnt good enough to be back up..we all know this and understand.

But it seems you are hanging your hat on last offseason contributed NOTHING to him not being the back up.

Where myself and others believe that it had a huge impact

Let's face it, short of a blow out win in the Super Bowl, those pitching "Jordan Love was a terrible pick because he didn't help the Packers and wasn't good enough to suit up", will keep pitching it for all that ails the Packers. I think I even saw Love on the sidelines distracting Rodgers with that shiny clipboard on a couple of Aaron's interceptions and wild throws.

<taking names for if and when that day comes that any of the first 4 2020 draft picks aid the team, I hope I don't see any of these posters talking about what a great pick those players were>

 

[Pkrjones]

As Rodgers has said himself, why wouldn't the best player on the team make the most money? If you are at your job and the company can only afford to pay people certain wages and you were the best employee how would you feel if others got paid more? Of course, you would take a pay cut because it is for the greater good. I'm not buying it.

Hypothetical: I'm the head of the engineering & maintenance department and our department had a fixed budget. I would prefer to NOT use-up 25% of the department budget on my salary IF it meant that my techs and assistants were noobies to the industry and would leave after a year for more $$. The cost, in time, energy & money, to continually train my underlings wouldn't be worth it because I'm wasting MY time & energy hiring & training rather than engineering & maintaining.

 

[Dantés]

Alright-- I am bored. So I am going to speculate wildly. This is what I think is going on, and is admittedly speculation. Basically I am going to tell a story, and some/most/all of it might be wrong. But it's my read on the situation.

1) Gutekunst is hired to replace TT and Rodgers has designs on having more of a voice on the personnel side with the new, young GM.

2) Gutekunst kind of humors Rodgers a little bit, but after Rodgers signs his extension he basically goes on to do what he wants to, personnel wise, without discussion with Rodgers.

3) Rodgers is annoyed and frustrated, with each move or non-move made compounding his frustration with the situation. But he isn't at a boiling point.

4) Rodgers' 2019 season is a little bit of a struggle for the coaching staff, with him resisting total compliance with LaFleur's system.

5) Gutekunst looks at Rodgers' sustained declined level of player (basically 2015-2019), and the way that things went in year one with LaFleur, and he decides to keep his options open by drafting a QB prospect that he really likes.

6) Rodgers is incensed and blindsided by the move, but doesn't immediately feel he has the leverage to make a major stink due to his declined level of play.

7) Rodgers settles down a little bit in LaFleur's offense and lights the league on fire.

8) Rodgers loses in the NFCCG to a team whose QB had a certain degree of personnel influence.

9) With an MVP season under his belt and legitimate career options in media, Rodgers now feels he has the leverage to stick it to Gutekunst for drafting Jordan Love.

10) After returning to elite form, the team wants to retain Rodgers and tries to get back to the negotiating table with him, but he isn't interested. He basically takes the stance of "you drafted a QB clearly planning to trade me-- so do it."

11) Talks go nowhere, and on draft day, Rodgers triggers the media to begin reporting his unhappiness, feeling that draft day is the best opportunity to seek to force a trade.

12) Either because they don't want to be perceived as weak or because they don't want to lose Rodgers or both, the team is stalwart that they won't move him.

13) Gutekunst & Co say all the right things publicly about how much they love Aaron and want him to play for them. They use the media to leak that they've offered extensions this offseason.

14) Rodgers finds that the clear majority of fans are more inclined to side with the team, not the player.

15) Rodgers prompts some of his friends and former teammates in the media (Jones, Kuhn, etc) to back off of the earlier, "scorched earth" position. Schefter does an interview where he basically takes the fall for Rodgers.

16) Still disinterested in signing an extension, Rodgers is going to try and posture and back-door signal that the team isn't cooperating, because he doesn't want to become the villain in public perception.

17) The team, seeing no value in trading Rodgers now, will play hard ball and force him to sit out or retire.

18) Resolution won't come until after 2021, when the Packers will trade him prior to the 2022 draft.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hypothetical: I'm the head of the engineering & maintenance department and our department had a fixed budget. I would prefer to NOT use-up 25% of the department budget on my salary IF it meant that my techs and assistants were noobies to the industry and would leave after a year for more $$. The cost, in time, energy & money, to continually train my underlings wouldn't be worth it because I'm wasting MY time & energy hiring & training rather than engineering & maintaining.

Oh hell, I say super size that fry order!