Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[OldSchool101]

If Packer fans want to be upset at Gute, I would be more disappointed in the 2nd (Dillon) and 3rd Round (Deguara) picks. Not only were they luxury picks of positions that were not in immediate need, but 2 positions that don't even compare in importance and value of the QB position. Would we have gone to a SB had a CB, WR, ILB or DT been selected with 1 or both of those picks?

Well we 100% know this.. not if they performed like similar to a one 2nd Round Josh Jackson or a two 3rd rounder Montravious Adams.
I would like to submit as states evidence. In the recent history of the NFL, that the vast majority of late day 1 or anytime day 2 selections do not highly impact a team in their Rookie Season. I would be willing to challenge anyone who gives me a name as a “high performance player” argument and I’ll answer with a minimal performance Rookie player. My pool of Rookie players will last far longer and look far worse overall. Once we get into the year 3 range their opposing argument starts to hold some weight, but definitely and unequivocal not as a “win now” argument. That’s the argument that’s several posters are making, mainly out of frustration or what not.. some of which I resemble.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well we 100% know this.. not if they performed like 2nd Round Josh Jackson or 3rd rounder Montravious Adams.
I would like to submit as states evidence. In the recent history of the NFL, that the vast majority of late day 1 or anytime day 2 selections do not highly impact a team in their Rookie Season. I would be willing to challenge anyone who gives me a name as a “high performance player” argument and I’ll answer with a minimal performance Rookie player. My pool of Rookie players will last far longer and look far worse overall. Once we get into the year 3 range their opposing argument starts to hold some weight, but definitely and unequivocal not as a “win now” argument. That’s the argument that’s several posters are making, mainly out of frustration or what not.. some of which I resemble.

Right, but none of this fits with the narrative that "Gute screwed up by investing in an insurance policy for his aging QB". I think if you gave some Packer fans the chance to shove all in on this season, with almost 100% assurance that "this was it", after the season, we are forced to be in rebuild mode because of our actions. Those few fans would get all excited and scream "We are finally doing it, we are winning a Super Bowl!"

 

[Southside]

Trade Rodgers and get everything you can for him....lots of high draft picks. Maybe even a player or two. No sense keeping a guy around that does not want to be here. Start the rebuiiding. Although I have not seen much to convince me that Gute has an eye for talent. He could end up just wasting the picks.

 

[PikeBadger]

Trade Rodgers and get everything you can for him....lots of high draft picks. Maybe even a player or two. No sense keeping a guy around that does not want to be here. Start the rebuiiding. Although I have not seen much to convince me that Gute has an eye for talent. He could end up just wasting the picks.

You don’t think much of our scouts?

 

[PikeBadger]

Trade Rodgers and get everything you can for him....lots of high draft picks. Maybe even a player or two. No sense keeping a guy around that does not want to be here. Start the rebuiiding. Although I have not seen much to convince me that Gute has an eye for talent. He could end up just wasting the picks.

There is an awful lot to be said for this, if it’s true that Rodgers doesn’t want to be in Green Bay.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Trade Rodgers and get everything you can for him....lots of high draft picks. Maybe even a player or two. No sense keeping a guy around that does not want to be here. Start the rebuiiding. Although I have not seen much to convince me that Gute has an eye for talent. He could end up just wasting the picks.

The Jets offered up their whole team in a trade for Rodgers, Gute passed.

 

[Do7]

And the majority on this sub ATE IT UP and basically said they were done with Rodgers because they thought he did.

It's amazing how fickle we as a fan base can be at times.

 

[thequick12]

I agree he is a P.O.S. for the way he broke this story and the timing of it. That does not mean that a lot of it is not true. Rodgers probably did refer to Gute as Krause. Aaron was my favorite football player but let's be absolutely crystal clear he is no Michael. I still hope Aaron goes back to being one of my favorite players. I also believe he let players know he may not be playing in GB in 2021. That could be because he was told or led to believe Gute was going to trade him or he was planning on forcing a trade and thought he was being a friend by letting the guys in on that. His ego would easily lead him to believe this would matter to some of the guys. I am also of the belief that not realizing that 2020 draft was not going to lead to some sort of criticism, not just from Rodgers but the fans was not thought out very well. Many have said that the job of the GM is to make the team better both now and in the future. I am not upset about that draft pertaining to Rodgers as much as I am for what it said to the fanbase. I guess you have to let Love, Dillon and Deguara actually play enough to judge those picks before we start calling for Gute's job. If at least 2 of those 3 do not turn out to be worthy of their draft position and it loses us AR then Gute has to be held accountable and relieved of his position. My criticism of Gute is I do not believe that 2020 draft did anything to help GB win games. My criticism of Rodgers is what he is doing is not doing anything to help GB win games. As a Packer fan I hope it all gets worked out. As a guy who has held a little bit of a grudge here and there over the years I hope they both are gone and that the Pack stay competitive. For the record I am cheering a lot harder for option 1.

Woah slow down... first Brett Favre was Michael Jordan...then Aaron Rodgers was Michael Jordan...now Patrick Mahomes looks like the next Michael Jordan

Trade Rodgers and get everything you can for him....lots of high draft picks. Maybe even a player or two. No sense keeping a guy around that does not want to be here. Start the rebuiiding. Although I have not seen much to convince me that Gute has an eye for talent. He could end up just wasting the picks.

How do you know Aaron Rodgers doesn't want to play for the Packers?...I'm willing to bet it'll come out in the end that's not exactly the truth

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

All this drama is getting out of control in both camps.
Here's why:
The packers admitted of sending 3 top people to California to talk to Rodgers after the playoff game, the coach, general manager and Murphey in separate trips.

They heard then from the three trips something wasn't right, and did nothing.

Maybe something wasn't right with the contract extension?
Maybe all three heard the problems and decided to call his bluff.
And last, he might of told them what was wrong and they know this all along.

Why wasn't something done then to save the team before all this media bs started???

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Why wasn't something done then to save the team before all this media bs started???

Maybe they just plain didn't don't want him on the team anymore and tried there best to not let Aaron sense that

 

[LetzBreel]

I gave you an agree, because I fully agree with you on the notion of the $25M, but I also sadly have succumbed to the idea that a star QB is now paid (in the NFL) more than what Rodgers is currently scheduled to be paid.

Can you make it to a SB without a star QB? Sure, many teams have. However, can a star QB alone take an average team to a SB or at least close, I think Rodgers is proof that is possible.

I would much rather be the Packers than the Bears, who I think were a star QB away from being dominant for a few years with that defense they started to have. However, as you smartly point out, its a balancing act of do you pay a QB the equivalent of 3 decent starting players or can those 3 make up for having just an average to below average QB? I think the sweet spot is somewhere in between and with the Cap that the Packers are looking at in 2022, they better be very careful with just how much they want to over leverage the team with a new contract for Rodgers.

A star QB alone can take a team to a SB or close to it? C'mon man! that's just ridiculous.

I gave you an agree, because I fully agree with you on the notion of the $25M, but I also sadly have succumbed to the idea that a star QB is now paid (in the NFL) more than what Rodgers is currently scheduled to be paid.

Can you make it to a SB without a star QB? Sure, many teams have. However, can a star QB alone take an average team to a SB or at least close, I think Rodgers is proof that is possible.

I would much rather be the Packers than the Bears, who I think were a star QB away from being dominant for a few years with that defense they started to have. However, as you smartly point out, its a balancing act of do you pay a QB the equivalent of 3 decent starting players or can those 3 make up for having just an average to below average QB? I think the sweet spot is somewhere in between and with the Cap that the Packers are looking at in 2022, they better be very careful with just how much they want to over leverage the team with a new contract for Rodgers.

 

[U.P. Packfan]

This subject is really bringing the smart *** out in you, isn't it? Feathers ruffled, yes?

We're talking about honoring contracts here. Either you honor it, or you don't. You seem to think it's okay for the a team to get rid of a player at any point in time, but God forbid the player try negotiating an extension or a trade.

like it or not, things like this happen in the real world. All. The. Damn. Time. Employers can move off of employees at their discretion. And that's fine. But the employee has more than a right to try negotiating different terms. And guess what? Either the employer can give in to the demands and give the employee more pay, more security, etc., or they can get rid of said person.

Sure, the Packers would lose guaranteed money and a huge asset. But they would get assets in return and guess what? They don't have to trade him.

And anyway...what's the problem? You have Rodgers' successor on the roster.

The point you are missing is that the Packers could cut him and STILL BE HONORING THE CONTRACT. The contracts are voidable by the team. The players acknowledge that when they sign them. In fact I think a lot of players sign contracts that they know will never go the full length. They get to have bragging rights for a year or two before they are cut. That is why they go for the signing bonus. It is written into the language of the contract.

 

[Spanky]

Mike Florio said today on the Rich Eisen Show that he thinks Rodgers will be back with the Packers.

 

[Ogsponge]

Some might say Rodgers himself might have made better plays in the NFCCG and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Also, I would look at past draft picks from the late first round and argue that their impact on the team their rookie year wasn't that significant due to injury, lack of playing time, skill, etc.

While I understand the argument and possibility, I very much doubt when Love was selected Gute or the Packers were saying to themselves "This or the Super Bowl in 2020, which one?" It was a measured investment for them and at the time seemed like the way to go. I questioned the pick a ton at the time, but was fine with it as I learned more about Love and the reasons behind it, as well as thought about the tremendous potential upside of the pick with an aging QB that appeared to be showing signs of age.

If Packer fans want to be upset at Gute, I would be more disappointed in the 2nd (Dillon) and 3rd Round (Deguara) picks. Not only were they luxury picks of positions that were not in immediate need, but 2 positions that don't even compare in importance and value of the QB position. Would we have gone to a SB had a CB, WR, ILB or DT been selected with 1 or both of those picks?

33-48 346 yds 3 TD, at some point people need to stop rewriting history, Aaron Rodgers was not the reason we lost the game. It was a defensive failure, it was and Aaron Jones fumble failure and yes if Rodgers had been perfect we would have won but if you expect your QB to be perfect to win the big game, your team sucks

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

33-48 346 yds 3 TD, at some point people need to stop rewriting history, Aaron Rodgers was not the reason we lost the game. It was a defensive failure, it was and Aaron Jones fumble failure and yes if Rodgers had been perfect we would have won but if you expect your QB to be perfect to win the big game, your team sucks

Right and lets leave out the interception and QB rating of 67.6, of course that was better than the 12.5 rating he had in the first game against TB.

Also, nobody said he had to be perfect, he needed to complete a pass or run the ball in on the final 3 plays of the last series, he didn't.

While I kind of get your point, the point I and others are making, is that Aaron Rodgers didn't have a perfect NFCCG either, so those screaming that its all because Gute drafted Love that we lost that game, they are opening the doors to allow all sorts of speculation as to why we lost that game. They also seem to be conveniently forgetting that the Packers had the best record in the NFC, but yes, lets blame the NFCCG on Gute drafting Love.

 

[Ogsponge]

Right and lets leave out the interception and QB rating of 67.6, of course that was better than the 12.5 rating he had in the first game against TB.

Also, nobody said he had to be perfect, he needed to complete a pass or run the ball in on the final 3 plays of the last series, he didn't.

While I kind of get your point, the point I and others are making, is that Aaron Rodgers didn't have a perfect NFCCG either, so those screaming that its all because Gute drafted Love that we lost that game, they are opening the doors to allow all sorts of speculation as to why we lost that game. They also seem to be conveniently forgetting that the Packers had the best record in the NFC, but yes, lets blame the NFCCG on Gute drafting Love.

For the record his rating was 101.6 and I see your point and Rodgers has made mistakes in every NFFCG but I can point to a multitude of errors way worse by the defense in particular. The NFL is a team game and the team has failed Rodgers miles more than Rodgers has failed them.

Anyway, just seems like so many people want to blame Rodgers for the big failures. Not saying you are implying that.

 

[Schultz]

The interception just prior to TB scoring at the end of the half was due to an obvious missed pass interception call. If he runs on 3rd down he never reaches the end zone but does give them a legitimate 4th and goal situation. He did miss a wide open receiver deep on the left sideline. He is still the best chance to win a super bowl.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Right and lets leave out the interception and QB rating of 67.6, of course that was better than the 12.5 rating he had in the first game against TB.

Also, nobody said he had to be perfect, he needed to complete a pass or run the ball in on the final 3 plays of the last series, he didn't.

While I kind of get your point, the point I and others are making, is that Aaron Rodgers didn't have a perfect NFCCG either, so those screaming that its all because Gute drafted Love that we lost that game, they are opening the doors to allow all sorts of speculation as to why we lost that game. They also seem to be conveniently forgetting that the Packers had the best record in the NFC, but yes, lets blame the NFCCG on Gute drafting Love.

You are pretty much demanding perfection when he was AMAZING in the 1st half and then the offense fell apart after Jones got hurt. Sort of implies another playmaker might have been helpful but it's soooo much easier to just say Rodgers needed to do more, right? Kind of implied the defense was able to focus in on the only above average offensive threat the team had at that point. Why can't we blame Dillon for not bulldozing the Bucs in the second half?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You are pretty much demanding perfection when he was AMAZING in the 1st half and then the offense fell apart after Jones got hurt. Sort of implies another playmaker might have been helpful but it's soooo much easier to just say Rodgers needed to do more, right? Kind of implied the defense was able to focus in on the only above average offensive threat the team had at that point. Why can't we blame Dillon for not bulldozing the Bucs in the second half?

LOL...did you read what I wrote? I don't think myself or anyone else is directly blaming Rodgers and only Rodgers for the loss. However, for people to point to the selection of Love as potentially why they lost is even a bigger stretch. You can't speculate and make assumptions that just boil down to only your opinion being correct, without being open to the fact that you might be wrong or that there are actually other potential outcomes.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

LOL...did you read what I wrote? I don't think myself or anyone else is directly blaming Rodgers and only Rodgers for the loss. However, for people to point to the selection of Love as potentially why they lost is even a bigger stretch. You can't speculate and make assumptions that just boil down to only your opinion being correct, without being open to the fact that you might be wrong or that there are actually other potential outcomes.

How is it a bigger stretch when I literally just told you the Packers were lacking playmakers in the second half after Jones left? I mean, it's a MASSIVE stretch to think that an inactive QB was as helpful as Tee Higgins or Pittman would have been.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For the record his rating was 101.6 and I see your point and Rodgers has made mistakes in every NFFCG but I can point to a multitude of errors way worse by the defense in particular. The NFL is a team game and the team has failed Rodgers miles more than Rodgers has failed them.

Anyway, just seems like so many people want to blame Rodgers for the big failures. Not saying you are implying that.

His rating was 101.6 yes...I was reporting his QBR of 67.6, but forgot to say "QBR", my apologies. Some like to use rating, some like to use QBR

I think we agree, Rodgers is a great QB and yes he hasn't played up to his highest level in NFCCG's, but then again, he is also facing one of the best teams in the NFL at that point. Could he and the Packers have benefited by someone other than Love being drafted? Not really sure, maybe that guy misses a block in the first game of the year and Rodgers is blindsided and out for the year. Maybe that player falls down and allows an easy score, etc. Lots can happen, people can dislike the drafting of Love, but don't double down on it constantly and use it as the end all beat all to all that is wrong with the Packers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

it's a MASSIVE stretch to think that an inactive QB was as helpful as Tee Higgins or Pittman would have been.

Who ever claimed that Love was helpful? You are insisting that some phantom player that they didn't draft would have been. That my friend is a stretch.

 

[Ogsponge]

His rating was 101.6 yes...I was reporting his QBR of 67.6, but forgot to say "QBR", my apologies. Some like to use rating, some like to use QBR

I think we agree, Rodgers is a great QB and yes he hasn't played up to his highest level in NFCCG's, but then again, he is also facing one of the best teams in the NFL at that point. Could he and the Packers have benefited by someone other than Love being drafted? Not really sure, maybe that guy misses a block in the first game of the year and Rodgers is blindsided and out for the year. Maybe that player falls down and allows an easy score, etc. Lots can happen, people can dislike the drafting of Love, but don't double down on it constantly and use it as the end all beat all to all that is wrong with the Packers.

ah got it on the QBR, I don’t hate QBR but it has it’s faults, for instance if GB wins that game 26 to 25 Rodgers QBR is probably 90. A QB’s “performance score” should not change that drastically based on the team winning or losing.

The only reason I am rambling about this is because Brady’s QBR was 81.8 and TB was in no way the better QB in the game, he was simply the luckier QB.

 

[OldSchool101]

There is an awful lot to be said for this, if it’s true that Rodgers doesn’t want to be in Green Bay.

According to John Kuhn just a few days ago, which I put much more credence than a typical reporter, Aaron said he both wanted to play into his 40’s and he liked playing for the Packers. He was just confounded in what was going on.

The more I hear from those in Aaron’s circle, the more I’m hearing a player #12 who lashed out not because he didn’t want to finish his career here, but because he did want to retire a Packer and he doesn’t have control over that and he’s irritated that he can’t get confirmation either way.

Those sentiments align with post NFC game interviews and statements I’ve watched. At which time Aaron was clearly hurt as he looked like he lost a friend. I respect that and his emotions spoke to me that he loves this team.

I think this has more to do with GB wanting to move on than Rodgers wanting to move on.

 

[Mondio]

All this drama is getting out of control in both camps.
Here's why:
The packers admitted of sending 3 top people to California to talk to Rodgers after the playoff game, the coach, general manager and Murphey in separate trips.

They heard then from the three trips something wasn't right, and did nothing.

Maybe something wasn't right with the contract extension?
Maybe all three heard the problems and decided to call his bluff.
And last, he might of told them what was wrong and they know this all along.

Why wasn't something done then to save the team before all this media bs started???

Probably because sometimes things don't happen just because you want them to.

Deadlines tend to move these things along. when we get closer to crunch time, money time, playing time, something will happen. When two sides have something they want, they don't just give in if they feel pretty strongly about it. Once one side or both feel the pressure of an actual deadline that means something, things will move. It's just how it works.

i think people are reading way too far into things once again concerning Aaron Rodgers. I doubt they flew out there 3 times to "beg" him to come back. They're probably doing the "paying extra attention to the star QB" treatment and meeting in person about a contract thing. They'll probably do it again as deadlines approach and each side decides to dig in, call a bluff, or compromise.