Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Sunshinepacker]

Trust me, I was in the same camp as you about the Love pick and last years other seemingly luxury picks. Yet, the Packers were a play or 2 away from the SB, while potentially being able to build some needed depth. So, in hindsight, the picks weren't as bad as I originally thought.

Some would, I think convincingly, argue that since the first pick was inactive, maybe a different player could have been the difference? Which would mean the pick made was a bad pick.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Some would, I think convincingly, argue that since the first pick was inactive, maybe a different player could have been the difference? Which would mean the pick made was a bad pick.

Some might say Rodgers himself might have made better plays in the NFCCG and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Also, I would look at past draft picks from the late first round and argue that their impact on the team their rookie year wasn't that significant due to injury, lack of playing time, skill, etc.

While I understand the argument and possibility, I very much doubt when Love was selected Gute or the Packers were saying to themselves "This or the Super Bowl in 2020, which one?" It was a measured investment for them and at the time seemed like the way to go. I questioned the pick a ton at the time, but was fine with it as I learned more about Love and the reasons behind it, as well as thought about the tremendous potential upside of the pick with an aging QB that appeared to be showing signs of age.

If Packer fans want to be upset at Gute, I would be more disappointed in the 2nd (Dillon) and 3rd Round (Deguara) picks. Not only were they luxury picks of positions that were not in immediate need, but 2 positions that don't even compare in importance and value of the QB position. Would we have gone to a SB had a CB, WR, ILB or DT been selected with 1 or both of those picks?

 

[Mondio]

Some would, I think convincingly, argue that since the first pick was inactive, maybe a different player could have been the difference? Which would mean the pick made was a bad pick.

if keep a very narrow view that isn't reality in the NFL. a different player could have made a difference. That difference could have been good or bad. and Love could continue GB's success for years into the future, or not. I don't know, neither do you. If he does, i would argue, it was not a bad pick.

maybe we trade up further and take Reagor, ouch. or Jefferson, nice. Or went with a LBer in Murry or brooks, ouch. Queen, still not great. Or Wilson to replace bulaga, OUCH. or maybe Igbinoghene or Glandney at DB, OUCH.

Lots of guys taken around Love that would have helped about as much as Love did. Different doesn't always mean better. Maybe, but hardly a guarantee. Considering we did make it that far one could also say, different had a lot more room to go down, than up.

 

[thequick12]

Some would, I think convincingly, argue that since the first pick was inactive, maybe a different player could have been the difference? Which would mean the pick made was a bad pick.

Love was a bad pick because of the lack of communication with the guy you already know is a fhof qb. And because they traded up to do it in typical inefficient gutekrause style. However I don't think Love is a bad player...I think he has a chance definitely

I don't think you can say it was a bad pick simply because he didn't play and you missed the super bowl by a play or two. It's still gonna go down as a great pick if Love ends up winning lots of games as a starter for the Packers

If Packer fans want to be upset at Gute, I would be more disappointed in the 2nd (Dillon) and 3rd Round (Deguara) picks. Not only were they luxury picks of positions that were not in immediate need, but 2 positions that don't even compare in importance and value of the QB position. Would we have gone to a SB had a CB, WR, ILB or DT been selected with 1 or both of those picks?

While I think both Dillon and Deguara are gonna be important players going forward. I think they were both reached for. However I'm not sure Dillon was a luxury pick. Gutekrause certainly knew he would only be able to retain one of Jones and Williams. And that MLF offense is a two back offense. And Deguara was also a skill set that was not previously present that the MLF offense also values very highly

 

[Pugger]

Now adam is saying it was all him that leaked it out. No one.else and nothing happened that day..he just wanted to be the one to break it

Which would mean Aaron wasnt lying when he said he was disappointed it was out in the media

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-north/g...ave-green-bay-packers-adam-schefter-nfl-draft

Schefter should apply for a position at The National Inquirer. He'd fit right in.

 

[Pugger]

Rodgers needs to speak up.

If not true...wouldnt you want to clear your name?

But wo speaking, it looks like its true

Perhaps Rodgers didn't want to give this nonsense any credibility by responding?

 

[Schultz]

I agree he is a P.O.S. for the way he broke this story and the timing of it. That does not mean that a lot of it is not true. Rodgers probably did refer to Gute as Krause. Aaron was my favorite football player but let's be absolutely crystal clear he is no Michael. I still hope Aaron goes back to being one of my favorite players. I also believe he let players know he may not be playing in GB in 2021. That could be because he was told or led to believe Gute was going to trade him or he was planning on forcing a trade and thought he was being a friend by letting the guys in on that. His ego would easily lead him to believe this would matter to some of the guys. I am also of the belief that not realizing that 2020 draft was not going to lead to some sort of criticism, not just from Rodgers but the fans was not thought out very well. Many have said that the job of the GM is to make the team better both now and in the future. I am not upset about that draft pertaining to Rodgers as much as I am for what it said to the fanbase. I guess you have to let Love, Dillon and Deguara actually play enough to judge those picks before we start calling for Gute's job. If at least 2 of those 3 do not turn out to be worthy of their draft position and it loses us AR then Gute has to be held accountable and relieved of his position. My criticism of Gute is I do not believe that 2020 draft did anything to help GB win games. My criticism of Rodgers is what he is doing is not doing anything to help GB win games. As a Packer fan I hope it all gets worked out. As a guy who has held a little bit of a grudge here and there over the years I hope they both are gone and that the Pack stay competitive. For the record I am cheering a lot harder for option 1.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Some might say Rodgers himself might have made better plays in the NFCCG and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Also, I would look at past draft picks from the late first round and argue that their impact on the team their rookie year wasn't that significant due to injury, lack of playing time, skill, etc.

While I understand the argument and possibility, I very much doubt when Love was selected Gute or the Packers were saying to themselves "This or the Super Bowl in 2020, which one?" It was a measured investment for them and at the time seemed like the way to go. I questioned the pick a ton at the time, but was fine with it as I learned more about Love and the reasons behind it, as well as thought about the tremendous potential upside of the pick with an aging QB that appeared to be showing signs of age.

If Packer fans want to be upset at Gute, I would be more disappointed in the 2nd (Dillon) and 3rd Round (Deguara) picks. Not only were they luxury picks of positions that were not in immediate need, but 2 positions that don't even compare in importance and value of the QB position. Would we have gone to a SB had a CB, WR, ILB or DT been selected with 1 or both of those picks?

Hmmm... No sane person blames the loss on Rodgers. Trading a potential Super Bowl for an unknown rookie QB is a terrible idea. Inactive players don't add any help while active players can.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

if keep a very narrow view that isn't reality in the NFL. a different player could have made a difference. That difference could have been good or bad. and Love could continue GB's success for years into the future, or not. I don't know, neither do you. If he does, i would argue, it was not a bad pick.

maybe we trade up further and take Reagor, ouch. or Jefferson, nice. Or went with a LBer in Murry or brooks, ouch. Queen, still not great. Or Wilson to replace bulaga, OUCH. or maybe Igbinoghene or Glandney at DB, OUCH.

Lots of guys taken around Love that would have helped about as much as Love did. Different doesn't always mean better. Maybe, but hardly a guarantee. Considering we did make it that far one could also say, different had a lot more room to go down, than up.

You think Higgins or Pittman would have been inactive? Bold claim.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Hmmm... No sane person blames the loss on Rodgers. Trading a potential Super Bowl for an unknown rookie QB is a terrible idea. Inactive players don't add any help while active players can.

Blame might not be right but he was 4-11 on the last 3 drives of the game where the Packers either had a chance to tie or take the lead. If I remember correctly we may have had some drops in there but I am not sure.

And on your other post Pittman would have likely been behind Lazard and MVS on the squad last year. I am not sold on him as a player. He seems pretty average to me. Higgins would been a nice pick.

 

[easyk83]

Love was a bad pick because of the lack of communication with the guy you already know is a fhof qb. And because they traded up to do it in typical inefficient gutekrause style. However I don't think Love is a bad player...I think he has a chance definitely

I don't think you can say it was a bad pick simply because he didn't play and you missed the super bowl by a play or two. It's still gonna go down as a great pick if Love ends up winning lots of games as a starter for the Packers



While I think both Dillon and Deguara are gonna be important players going forward. I think they were both reached for. However I'm not sure Dillon was a luxury pick. Gutekrause certainly knew he would only be able to retain one of Jones and Williams. And that MLF offense is a two back offense. And Deguara was also a skill set that was not previously present that the MLF offense also values very highly

I have a feeling that Dillon will turn out as an excellent pick at the position, I think he might have been the difference against TB if only MLF would have tried him earlier in the game. His combination of size speed and strength made him the perfect mismatch to use against a fast but smallish TB front 7.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hmmm... No sane person blames the loss on Rodgers. Trading a potential Super Bowl for an unknown rookie QB is a terrible idea. Inactive players don't add any help while active players can.

Well many sane people have talked about Rodgers missed opportunities in the NFCCG, so not acknowledging them is on you.

I can think of 1000 reasons why the Packers didn't make it to the SB and the selection of Love, while on the list, isn't that high on it. So we can agree to disagree with this notion that Gute screwed up a SB due to picking Love.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You think Higgins or Pittman would have been inactive? Bold claim.

As Mondio pointed out, we can all cherry pick, in hindsight, the players or scenarios that MIGHT...a big, but crucial word there, have changed things. Changed things in either direction. You seem so hell bent on proving that the Love pick was a big mistake, despite the fact that he hasn't even played one down so that you can properly evaluate him, but it seems you already have evaluated him? Does your creative mind ever open the door and see how the Pick of Love actually might turn out to be a good one?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Dates to keep an eye on, if the Rodgers situation doesn't change before then, his attendance or lack there of, might be an indication of his position on the situation.

• May 24, 25, 27: OTA's
• June 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 and 10 : OTA's

OTA's aren't mandatory for Rodgers, so won't mean a lot if he isn't there. Now if he did show up, great sign.

• June 15-17 : The team’s mandatory minicamp

Rodgers could be fined for skipping if he chooses not to attend because his situation with the team hasn’t been resolved .

 

[longtimefan]

Next week Friday we know?? Heard a snip maybe in 8 days

 

[Mondio]

You think Higgins or Pittman would have been inactive? Bold claim.

this is why we always have problems communicating. you take something and draw some completely irrelevant conclusion.

 

[Mondio]

Hmmm... No sane person blames the loss on Rodgers. Trading a potential Super Bowl for an unknown rookie QB is a terrible idea. Inactive players don't add any help while active players can.

active players can botch an onside kick, and even pro bowlers can sit and watch a wounded duck loft thru the air as they stand their and watch some prayer of a 2point conversion happen allowing a team that couldn't do jack all day to go up 3 points. HOF players can tell a teammate to lay down rather than seal the game.

 

[sschind]

Hmmm... No sane person blames the loss on Rodgers. Trading a potential Super Bowl for an unknown rookie QB is a terrible idea. Inactive players don't add any help while active players can.

Unless said inactive player lights a fire under someones *** and they go on to have an MVP season.

 

[easyk83]

As Mondio pointed out, we can all cherry pick, in hindsight, the players or scenarios that MIGHT...a big, but crucial word there, have changed things. Changed things in either direction. You seem so hell bent on proving that the Love pick was a big mistake, despite the fact that he hasn't even played one down so that you can properly evaluate him, but it seems you already have evaluated him? Does your creative mind ever open the door and see how the Pick of Love actually might turn out to be a good one?

We were a few plays away from the Super Bowl and thats while missing the best LT in football. Hell if Bakhtiari played we could have consistently rolled help towards Wagner/Turner which would have completely changed the complexion of the game.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Unless said inactive player lights a fire under someones *** and they go on to have an MVP season.

Stop thinking and for heavens sakes, stop thinking rationally! The Packers would have taken a stud player with their first pick and said player not only would have gotten us to the SB, he would have somehow scored the winning TD, via a run, pass, fumble, interception or FG. Ok..FG is a bit far fetched since Round 2 is were you go for a Kicker.

Oh and said first round pick would have lead the Packers to endless Super Bowls, even after Rodgers retired and Hundley was back to run the offense. Who needs a QB when you have that difference maker we got in the first round of the 2020 draft!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If the news is true that the Packers offered to make Rodgers the highest paid QB (Mahomes is at $45M/year), how do people feel about that?

What I wish reports would STOP saying is that Rodgers is "scheduled to make only $22.85 M this year". That is such BAD and misleading reporting. That is the "cash" coming his way for being on the 53 man roster and working out, it by no way reflects the total amount he was given for this coming season. That amount is $37 M and change.

Personally, I hope they don't cave and pay him that kind of money ($45M+), at least upfront and loaded with guarantees. I am fine if they say "look, you signed a contract at THIS value and there are 3 more years on it. However, given your season last year, we are willing to add some incentives, that if you meet them, you become the highest paid QB. However, there is some give and take in our offer, so are you willing to make less then scheduled if you are injured or have a down year for whatever reason? Are you willing to understand that this is a business move that has both your interests and ours in it. Yes, at some point we may see your services as a declining investment and we part ways, but right now, you are 100% wanted as our QB."

Packers apparently offered to make Aaron Rodgers the NFL's highest-paid quarterback earlier this offseason - CBSSports.com

 

[easyk83]

Personally, I hope they don't cave and pay him that kind of money ($45M+), at least upfront and loaded with guarantees. I am fine if they say "look, you signed a contract at THIS value and there are 3 more years on it. However, given your season last year, we are willing to add some incentives, that if you meet them, you become the highest paid QB. However, there is some give and take in our offer, so are you willing to make less then scheduled if you are injured or have a down year for whatever reason? Are you willing to understand that this is a business move that has both your interests and ours in it. Yes, at some point we may see your services as a declining investment and we part ways, but right now, you are 100% wanted as our QB."

Packers apparently offered to make Aaron Rodgers the NFL's highest-paid quarterback earlier this offseason - CBSSports.com

I think the position is way overhyped and once you have a star quarterback it becomes almost impossible to actually surround him with talent. I honestly think that 25 million per year should be the average for say the top 5 starters in the league.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think the position is way overhyped and once you have a star quarterback it becomes almost impossible to actually surround him with talent. I honestly think that 25 million per year should be the average for say the top 5 starters in the league.

I gave you an agree, because I fully agree with you on the notion of the $25M, but I also sadly have succumbed to the idea that a star QB is now paid (in the NFL) more than what Rodgers is currently scheduled to be paid.

Can you make it to a SB without a star QB? Sure, many teams have. However, can a star QB alone take an average team to a SB or at least close, I think Rodgers is proof that is possible.

I would much rather be the Packers than the Bears, who I think were a star QB away from being dominant for a few years with that defense they started to have. However, as you smartly point out, its a balancing act of do you pay a QB the equivalent of 3 decent starting players or can those 3 make up for having just an average to below average QB? I think the sweet spot is somewhere in between and with the Cap that the Packers are looking at in 2022, they better be very careful with just how much they want to over leverage the team with a new contract for Rodgers.

 

[swhitset]

If the news is true that the Packers offered to make Rodgers the highest paid QB (Mahomes is at $45M/year), how do people feel about that?

What I wish reports would STOP saying is that Rodgers is "scheduled to make only $22.85 M this year". That is such BAD and misleading reporting. That is the "cash" coming his way for being on the 53 man roster and working out, it by no way reflects the total amount he was given for this coming season. That amount is $37 M and change.

Personally, I hope they don't cave and pay him that kind of money ($45M+), at least upfront and loaded with guarantees. I am fine if they say "look, you signed a contract at THIS value and there are 3 more years on it. However, given your season last year, we are willing to add some incentives, that if you meet them, you become the highest paid QB. However, there is some give and take in our offer, so are you willing to make less then scheduled if you are injured or have a down year for whatever reason? Are you willing to understand that this is a business move that has both your interests and ours in it. Yes, at some point we may see your services as a declining investment and we part ways, but right now, you are 100% wanted as our QB."

Packers apparently offered to make Aaron Rodgers the NFL's highest-paid quarterback earlier this offseason - CBSSports.com

I certainly understand your point... but I hope you realize approaching Rodgers with an offer like that is pretty much just saying “bye bye” lol.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I certainly understand your point... but I hope you realize approaching Rodgers with an offer like that is pretty much just saying “bye bye” lol.

Yes, I think you are pretty close to 100% correct and my "offer" probably reflects my disgust with this whole notion of "I want to be guaranteed that I will be on the team and oh BTW, I want to be the highest paid player and I want to win SB's...Why the F are you guys not going out and getting me better weapons and wasting picks on the future team?" I fully realize that might not be Aarons exact position, but it sure feels like it at times.

Wonder how he would feel if Gute said "fine Aaron, we can do all this for you, but it means we can't resign Davante and possibly not Bobby T either, still ok with it?"