Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

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I believe you have hit upon the truth here. IMO we wouldn't have been in the position to get anywhere near a SB in the first place since 2010 if it wasn't for him. Yes, now he can't do it all alone but I can't think of any QB that can. Even Brady needed good players (and some lucky bounces - e.g. the reason he won SB 49 was because of that INT at the goal line thrown by Wilson.) around him to win all those rings.

How about the two one-off catches by Giants receivers in two of his losses?

 

[Heyjoe4]

For one, It takes having elite level defenses or defenses that performed elite in the playoffs for sure that many times.

Absolutely. That’s why I’m not crazy about calling someone a GOAT in a team sport. I think Brady’s success was predicated on playing for great coaches on very talented teams.

That said I think Brady is the best QB I’ve ever seen, and the same for MJ in the NBA.

Not sure about MLB. Probably Hank Aaron, but I’m not impartial on that one!

 

[Heyjoe4]

How about the two one-off catches by Giants receivers in two of his losses?

The helmet catch. Yeah luck and penalties even out the longer one plays.

 

[Pugger]

With all respect, it takes more than luck to win 7 SBs. Although I do recall that INT Wilson threw at the goal line. That was a stupid play and a stupid call by Carroll/Wilson. Sometimes the ball bounces the right way.

All I was pointing out is even the best QB in recent memory can't win these rings without a great team around them.

 

[Heyjoe4]

All I was pointing out is even the best QB in recent memory can't win these rings without a great team around them.

Agree completely. It's kinda weird, cause Brady doesn't look the type to win that many SBs. He is a vey accurate passer, a good not great arm, pocket passer/doesn't run - but just the fact he was primarily a pocket passer says he had good offensive lines in front of him. I think his key was consistency. As I recall he missed one year with a knee injury. Other than that, he was just out there every week.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Or possibly Picking which team?

Good point. It's likely there are two or three offers, maybe more. If Tua is done, I could certainly see him in Miami.

 

[Pugger]

With all respect, it takes more than luck to win 7 SBs. Although I do recall that INT Wilson threw at the goal line. That was a stupid play and a stupid call by Carroll/Wilson. Sometimes the ball bounces the right way.

Of course it takes more than luck but luck can explain why a favorite in the SB can lose when goofy stuff happens in the game like NE vs Gmen in the 2007 season.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Of course it takes more than luck but luck can explain why a favorite in the SB can lose when goofy stuff happens in the game like NE vs Gmen in the 2007 season.

Was that the year the Pats were undefeated going into the SB and the Giants were like the sixth seed? The helmet catch!

 

[rmontro]

Speaking of luck, for a long while I thought that the key was putting yourself in the playoffs as often as possible, and hoping you get hot at the right time. But that hasn't seemed to work well for GB the last 12 years. Arguably, they "should" have gotten to at least one of those Super Bowls, but maybe good fortune would be a better way to put it than luck.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Speaking of luck, for a long while I thought that the key was putting yourself in the playoffs as often as possible, and hoping you get hot at the right time. But that hasn't seemed to work well for GB the last 12 years. Arguably, they "should" have gotten to at least one of those Super Bowls, but maybe good fortune would be a better way to put it than luck.

It's been frustrating. The NFCCG losses that were hardest were against the Seahags in 2014 in Seattle and the loss against Brady and the Bucs at Lambeau a few years ago. Last year's loss to the Niners in the divisional round, again at Lambeau, was also tough after not allowing an offensive TD.

Should have made it to to the SB at least once in those 3 years, probably 2. Oh well, on to a new era of GB football

 

[rmontro]

Should have made it to to the SB at least once in those 3 years, probably 2. Oh well, on to a new era of GB football

The hard part about the 70s and 80s was never even being in the conversation. I guess the hardest part since then has been high expectations. The big question is what will the new era look like?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

FTR Carr I believe should be their priority, and honestly should be for a few teams (Washington, Carolina and I’d argue Ravens if Lamar is gone)

Sounds like Carr is going to enforce his no trade clause and force the Raiders to either pay or release him. There is your #1 QB on the FA market. Still hoping he signs with an NFC team, leaving more AFC teams in the potential bidding on Rodgers.

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[Pugger]

Was that the year the Pats were undefeated going into the SB and the Giants were like the sixth seed? The helmet catch!

Yup.

 

[Pugger]

Speaking of luck, for a long while I thought that the key was putting yourself in the playoffs as often as possible, and hoping you get hot at the right time. But that hasn't seemed to work well for GB the last 12 years. Arguably, they "should" have gotten to at least one of those Super Bowls, but maybe good fortune would be a better way to put it than luck.

A lot of goofy stuff happened to keep us out. One that was terrible was Bostick's muff against Seattle in 2014.

 

[Pugger]

The hard part about the 70s and 80s was never even being in the conversation. I guess the hardest part since then has been high expectations. The big question is what will the new era look like?

No kidding. The 70s and 80s were really bad. Wins were hard to come by and anything about .500 was an accomplishment. I just pray we won't go back to those kind of days going forward. Some say we won't because management is better than it was back then but you never know. Get the right coach and you can turn it around quick. Look at what Pederson is doing in Jacksonville.

 

[tynimiller]

Sounds like Carr is going to enforce his no trade clause and force the Raiders to either pay or release him. There is your #1 QB on the FA market. Still hoping he signs with an NFC team, leaving more AFC teams in the potential bidding on Rodgers.

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#1 IF Lamar never sees FA.

 

[rmontro]

No kidding. The 70s and 80s were really bad. Wins were hard to come by and anything about .500 was an accomplishment. I just pray we won't go back to those kind of days going forward. Some say we won't because management is better than it was back then but you never know. Get the right coach and you can turn it around quick. Look at what Pederson is doing in Jacksonville.

We might have to hit bottom and get some good draft picks before we can rebound. We'd have to pick better than we have been though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

#1 IF Lamar never sees FA.

The Ravens won't let that happen. They will at minimum, franchise tag him and trade him. I think that he'd have a lot more suitors and go for a much higher price than Rodgers. Yet another reason time is of the essence with the "Rodgers Decision."

 

[Heyjoe4]

The Ravens won't let that happen. They will at minimum, franchise tag him and trade him. I think that he'd have a lot more suitors and go for a much higher price than Rodgers. Yet another reason time is of the essence with the "Rodgers Decision."

Good point. There is a limited number of teams who would benefit from 1 or 2 years of service. Namely, a team a QB away from a deep playoff run. I think it's the Jets or R8DRS.

 

[Heyjoe4]

After watching Mahomes and Hurts last night, I have a hard time believing any team would be willing to give up draft capital AND pay Rodgers $58 mil next year. The Packers might just be "stuck" with him.

 

[tynimiller]

After watching Mahomes and Hurts last night, I have a hard time believing any team would be willing to give up draft capital AND pay Rodgers $58 mil next year. The Packers might just be "stuck" with him.

Joe, many of us have broken down the cost to the team getting him is not close to that. No where close.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Joe, many of us have broken down the cost to the team getting him is not close to that. No where close.

Beat me to it. Actually, his cost to a new team, is what might make it attractive, as well as help to garner more in a trade. Rodgers also said he us willing to renegotiate his contract, whatever that might mean.

 

[tynimiller]

Beat me to it. Actually, his cost to a new team, is what might make it attractive, as well as help to garner more in a trade. Rodgers also said he us willing to renegotiate his contract, whatever that might mean.

It most likely hints at a restructure of sorts to assist future years to the obtaining team not the first one

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It most likely hints at a restructure of sorts to assist future years to the obtaining team not the first one

and no doubt, will be necessary, in order for him to become the highest paid player in the NFL again.

 

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Sounds like Carr is going to enforce his no trade clause and force the Raiders to either pay or release him. There is your #1 QB on the FA market. Still hoping he signs with an NFC team, leaving more AFC teams in the potential bidding on Rodgers.

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As some others have mentioned, it would be foolish to not trade Rodgers to an NFC team if one of them is offering the best deal.