Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

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No real surprise from Rodgers on the Pat M. show today. He doesn't want to be part of a rebuild and if that is what the Packers want to do, he is ready to move on to another team. If he is to come back, he wants vet teammates back with him. Guessing that is Cobb, Bahk, Crosby and possibly Big Dog and Lazard.

That'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
I know previously (recently, post-extension IIRC) Rodgers said he would plan on retiring a Packer.
And of course Gute, MLF, etc have all said they want him back and they didn't sign that extension with the intention of only having him for one year.

As I said elsewhere I think Gute, Murphy, MLF, etc have all went to great lengths to patch up the relationship with AR (and I suspect Rodgers has done some some work on his end too, to be fair) and that they're not just going to turn around and throw all that away to get rid of him. But I also think they are going to balance what's best for our future. Guys like Cobb, Crosby, Lewis, etc probably wouldn't even be considered for returning if not for Rodgers. I suspect they will be allowed to walk (along with Lazard, etc) and this will probably see Rodgers ask for a move. Ultimately that might be the best-case scenario for us...clear a lot off the books and get some sort of return for Rodgers as opposed to him just retiring.
 

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Great, lets further damage the team by remaining attached to a bunch of buddies for the aging QB. It's tiresome. Not sure what good bringing back Lazard, Tonyan, Cobb, Crosby and Lewis will do. Tonyan and Cobb are bodies, Crosby can't kick it to the endzone now seemingly and someone is going to throw stupid money at Lazard and I hope it's not us.
 

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Doesn't necessarily mean he wants his "friends" back. It could easily mean what I've seen a lot of people propose. Get rid of our LT, let Nijman go for compensatory picks. Amos is not a priority to retain, trade Jaire, Cut Jones, Trade or cut Preston, etc.

Lazard is likely to price himself out. Lewis is 2 years past due. Cobb could come cheap or leave. he can't run, but most of the bottom of the roster guys can't play either so it's not really harming anything unless it's for big money, which it won't be. I'm feeling more confident in David's knee. I'm keeping him no matter who the QB is.

Last year everyone said Rodgers is leaving we didn't keep Adams. Now this year they have a new excuse to harp on for weeks on end.
 

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Doesn't necessarily mean he wants his "friends" back. It could easily mean what I've seen a lot of people propose. Get rid of our LT, let Nijman go for compensatory picks. Amos is not a priority to retain, trade Jaire, Cut Jones, Trade or cut Preston, etc.

Quote that I saw : This game is about relationships,” Rodgers said. “It’s about the guys you rely on, even if they don’t show up huge in the stat book. A guy like Marcedes Lewis, he’s an important cog in the wheel of the locker room and the momentum of the team. That’s a guy I want to finish my career with, you know? If I’m playing, I want that guy next to me. I want the Randall Cobbs of the world, if he wants to keep playing, in my locker room. Guys you can win with. Allen Lazard, Bobby Tonyan, Dave Bakhtiari. There’s a lot of interesting names that we’ll see their desire to re-sign these certain guys who are glue guys in the locker room that will be interesting conversations to be had.”


Sure seems like a guy that wants his friends back to keep playing there. If that truly is a condition I hope they don't play along.
 

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Quote that I saw : This game is about relationships,” Rodgers said. “It’s about the guys you rely on, even if they don’t show up huge in the stat book. A guy like Marcedes Lewis, he’s an important cog in the wheel of the locker room and the momentum of the team. That’s a guy I want to finish my career with, you know? If I’m playing, I want that guy next to me. I want the Randall Cobbs of the world, if he wants to keep playing, in my locker room. Guys you can win with. Allen Lazard, Bobby Tonyan, Dave Bakhtiari. There’s a lot of interesting names that we’ll see their desire to re-sign these certain guys who are glue guys in the locker room that will be interesting conversations to be had.”


Sure seems like a guy that wants his friends back to keep playing there. If that truly is a condition I hope they don't play along.
Maybe Aaron would be willing to split his $50+ million piece of the pie with his buddies, that way Gute has funds to improve the team with guys Rodgers might eventually like.

I'm all for chemistry and comradery, but this is a business, not a chess club
 

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Quote that I saw : This game is about relationships,” Rodgers said. “It’s about the guys you rely on, even if they don’t show up huge in the stat book. A guy like Marcedes Lewis, he’s an important cog in the wheel of the locker room and the momentum of the team. That’s a guy I want to finish my career with, you know? If I’m playing, I want that guy next to me. I want the Randall Cobbs of the world, if he wants to keep playing, in my locker room. Guys you can win with. Allen Lazard, Bobby Tonyan, Dave Bakhtiari. There’s a lot of interesting names that we’ll see their desire to re-sign these certain guys who are glue guys in the locker room that will be interesting conversations to be had.”


Sure seems like a guy that wants his friends back to keep playing there. If that truly is a condition I hope they don't play along.
I’m sure he does want to play with those guys. Just like he wanted Adams back last year too.

I doubt it’s a requirement by him they retain them all for him to play.
 

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Past few seasons he had is friends with him and we dident even sniff a Super Bowl. Outside of Bakh and Crosby the rest of the names mentioned are liabilities to this team.
 

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I’m sure he does want to play with those guys. Just like he wanted Adams back last year too.

I doubt it’s a requirement by him they retain them all for him to play.
The guys he considers friends on the team are the few close to his age. I don't begrudge him for wanting to take time to decide his future. IMO he has earned that right. He has said he'll let Gute and company know before the draft. I don't have a problem with that. Plus nothing can be done as far as trades until March anyway. I guess reporters and talking heads need something to talk about with this team...
 

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He has said he'll let Gute and company know before the draft. I don't have a problem with that. Plus nothing can be done as far as trades until March anyway. I guess reporters and talking heads need something to talk about with this team...
I didn't hear that timeline, I would totally disagree with it being ok for him to decide right before the draft. Free Agency is a HUGE deal in the NFL and that happens in March, the Draft at the end of April.

Not to mention that once the league year starts, which for me is the absolute deadline for "the Rodgers decision", a lot is going on behind the scenes with Free Agents, trades, etc.

Rodgers decision will effect not just the cap, but other personnel decisions, if he truly said that he will let them know before the draft, time to trade him, he doesn't understand the nature of running a football team and making decisions.
 

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I didn't hear that timeline, I would totally disagree with it being ok for him to decide right before the draft. Free Agency is a HUGE deal in the NFL and that happens in March, the Draft at the end of April.

Not to mention that once the league year starts, which for me is the absolute deadline for "the Rodgers decision", a lot is going on behind the scenes with Free Agents, trades, etc.

Rodgers decision will effect not just the cap, but other personnel decisions, if he truly said that he will let them know before the draft, time to trade him, he doesn't understand the nature of running a football team and making decisions.
Perhaps I was wrong about the date (the draft) but even if he told Gute he'd let them know by March FA doesn't start until March 15th so it really isn't a big deal because nothing can be done before then. I'm sure Gute and company have a plan just in case AR decides to retire or asks for a trade in a few weeks.
 

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Perhaps I was wrong about the date (the draft) but even if he told Gute he'd let them know by March FA doesn't start until March 15th so it really isn't a big deal because nothing can be done before then. I'm sure Gute and company have a plan just in case AR decides to retire or asks for a trade in a few weeks.
I think fans would be surprised at what actually goes on behind the scenes. Gute, scouts and coaches aren't just taking the next few months off. Maybe this calendar will help in understanding why important decisions, such as Rodgers, are good to make sooner, rather than later.

Of course the Packers have contingency plans on Rodgers, but that requires more time, more resources and more decision trees. In my opinion, that is not a very efficient way to run things and your final product might be compromised as a result.

 

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Something Rodgers said on the Pat M. Show didn't sit right with me. See if you pick it up.

“Do I still think I can play? Of course,” Rodgers said to McAfee. “Can I play at a high level? Yeah, the highest. I think I can win MVP again in the right situation. Right situation, is that Green Bay or is that somewhere else? I’m not sure. But I don’t think you should shut down any opportunity. But like I said during the season, it’s got to be both sides actually wanting to work together moving forward.”

Rodgers is talking about winning MVP's, not about winning Superbowls. I thought the whole goal in Football was to win the Lombardi as a team, not to strive for winning an individual award?
 

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Something Rodgers said on the Pat M. Show didn't sit right with me. See if you pick it up.

“Do I still think I can play? Of course,” Rodgers said to McAfee. “Can I play at a high level? Yeah, the highest. I think I can win MVP again in the right situation. Right situation, is that Green Bay or is that somewhere else? I’m not sure. But I don’t think you should shut down any opportunity. But like I said during the season, it’s got to be both sides actually wanting to work together moving forward.”

Rodgers is talking about winning MVP's, not about winning Superbowls. I thought the whole goal in Football was to win the Lombardi as a team, not to strive for winning an individual award?
Gronk blasted him for it.
Said same thing
Worry about SB not mvp
 

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I think fans would be surprised at what actually goes on behind the scenes. Gute, scouts and coaches aren't just taking the next few months off. Maybe this calendar will help in understanding why important decisions, such as Rodgers, are good to make sooner, rather than later.

Of course the Packers have contingency plans on Rodgers, but that requires more time, more resources and more decision trees. In my opinion, that is not a very efficient way to run things and your final product might be compromised as a result.

Didn't he also say there is no point in returning unless you can win it all?
 

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Something Rodgers said on the Pat M. Show didn't sit right with me. See if you pick it up.

“Do I still think I can play? Of course,” Rodgers said to McAfee. “Can I play at a high level? Yeah, the highest. I think I can win MVP again in the right situation. Right situation, is that Green Bay or is that somewhere else? I’m not sure. But I don’t think you should shut down any opportunity. But like I said during the season, it’s got to be both sides actually wanting to work together moving forward.”

Rodgers is talking about winning MVP's, not about winning Superbowls. I thought the whole goal in Football was to win the Lombardi as a team, not to strive for winning an individual award?
I have seen a lot of people taking issue with that but I think that particular quote as it's been circulating is lacking a little bit of context.

Right before that he talks about how in 2019 lots of people were saying he was washed up or "doesn't have it anymore" or finished or whatever and then went on to get two MVPs...and now a lot of people are saying the same thing, that he's past it, washed, not a top player any more, etc....

And then immediately followed that up by saying there wouldn't be any point in coming back to GB if he didn't think they could win it all...

I understand why it may leave a bad taste for some but in the greater context I think it’s pretty clear that this particular quote was just about pushing back on the notion that Rodgers is finished, not that he’s solely focused on individual accolades above everything else
 
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I'm absolutely convinced Rodgers will make the decision on if he wants to return before the start of the new league year. I consider the quote about him being able to win another MVP award as a non-issue but obviously fans using every chance they get to criticize him will make a huge deal out of it.
 

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If the question was, "can you lead this team to another Super Bowl" and he answered with that I'd be more concerned. But he was asked point blank about HIS personal level of play. I don't think his answer was out of line. But of course the vultures have descended LOL.

He says dance, and the monkeys dance once again. He is going to retire before some of you learn :)
 

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If the question was, "can you lead this team to another Super Bowl" and he answered with that I'd be more concerned. But he was asked point blank about HIS personal level of play. I don't think his answer was out of line. But of course the vultures have descended LOL.

He says dance, and the monkeys dance once again. He is going to retire before some of you learn :)
He wasn't asked about his personal level.

Aj asked about trading rumors.. He went on about combine, then 2019, and then said he can play at a higher level and mvp.

No one asked about his play

Here is the clip

 

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He wasn't asked about his personal level.

Aj asked about trading rumors.. He went on about combine, then 2019, and then said he can play at a higher level and mvp.

No one asked about his play

Here is the clip


This is what was posted that I was responding to.

“Do I still think I can play? Of course,” Rodgers said to McAfee. “Can I play at a high level? Yeah, the highest. I think I can win MVP again in the right situation. Right situation, is that Green Bay or is that somewhere else? I’m not sure. But I don’t think you should shut down any opportunity. But like I said during the season, it’s got to be both sides actually wanting to work together moving forward.”

It looks like he was responding to a question to me. So nobody asked him if he could still play? The question was do you think you can be traded and lead a team to a super bowl and he answered with winning MVP's instead?
 

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He wasn't asked about his personal level.

Aj asked about trading rumors.. He went on about combine, then 2019, and then said he can play at a higher level and mvp.

No one asked about his play

Here is the clip

I listened to the whole show, it has become a Tuesday tradition for me. You are right, AJ asked him to address the online rumors of him being traded. As he tends to do, he brought the whole conversation back to himself and how good he is and how he could win another MVP in the right situation. It wasn't until the topic was almost over that he said something to the effect of "if they decide to go young and if I don't think the team can compete for a Super Bowl, it is time for me to move on to somewhere else."

During the course of the over one hour discussion with Aaron, he mentioned several times that he wouldn't be a part of a rebuild, only a reload.

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I listened to the whole show, it has become a Tuesday tradition for me. You are right, AJ asked him to address the online rumors of him being traded. As he tends to do, he brought the whole conversation back to himself and how good he is and how he could win another MVP in the right situation. It wasn't until the topic was almost over that he said something to the effect of "if they decide to go young and if I don't think the team can compete for a Super Bowl, it is time for me to move on to somewhere else."

During the course of the over one hour discussion with Aaron, he mentioned several times that he wouldn't be a part of a rebuild, only a reload.

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Rodgers is many things but it's quite predictable anymore with the direction (or misdirection) of answering he provides. Yeah I listened to the whole show and you described it well in summation.

I would add from my perspective I think his being in Green Bay for 2023 has nothing to do with Gute/GB wanting Aaron Rodgers back (they do)...I think the deeper talk is Rodgers waiting to hear how many of the specific guys he mentioned or has in VERY recent interviews (Cobb/Crosby/Lazard/Lewis/Tonyan and such...he even mentioned retaining Jones once). Pretty much I think he's waiting to hear from Gute how much future cap castration they're willing to do and he will say yes or no from there.

Which for the record if that is the case and its a open honest communication - he's earned the right at this point to ask that and they have earned the right IMO to say no....time is now all that is needed for this to play out.
 

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I listened to the whole show, it has become a Tuesday tradition for me. You are right, AJ asked him to address the online rumors of him being traded. As he tends to do, he brought the whole conversation back to himself and how good he is and how he could win another MVP in the right situation. It wasn't until the topic was almost over that he said something to the effect of "if they decide to go young and if I don't think the team can compete for a Super Bowl, it is time for me to move on to somewhere else."

During the course of the over one hour discussion with Aaron, he mentioned several times that he wouldn't be a part of a rebuild, only a reload.

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This is why I guess I can't ever rely on someone else to give a summation LOL.

I listened to the first 8 minutes and so far, it is all 2 people asking Aaron Rodgers about Aaron Rodgers and they construe it as Aaron, as he tends to do, bring it all back to himself and how good he is LOL

First question out of the gates, my summation, "how you been, what are you doing, are you back home, how were your meetings". Can you believe the audacity of Aaron then going on to answer about himself? LOL

Get some blah blah blah, and then who have you talked to, who do you miss, did you talk to gutekunst. Aaron Obviously should not have been talking about aaron after those questions LOL
Then asked, again my summation, "what's involved in making the decision, can you commit to the grind, stuff like that". Maybe it's just me, but that seems like he's asking Aaron about Aaron's thoughts again. But I could be wrong.

Then AJ asks how long does it take, and what do you have go thru make the decision.

I got bored so I went ahead to like 35 minutes and next question was something about Could you imagine if you just decide to hang 'em up and just go live your life. That was Pat, not Aaron. Not sure if they ventured off from asking Aaron about Aaron from 8 minutes to the 35 or so minute mark, but if they did, Pat brought it right back.
52 minutes in, "who would you bring in to watch your last game if you could" or something that effect. again, them asking Aaron and Aaron

Then went to 50 some minutes and they ask about Purdy and what he thinks, and he tells him his thoughts on Purdy and then they ask about other players that come in that aren't highly sough after in college or after college and how they make it. Now here, Aaron does make his own Aaron Rodgers reference in talking about guys playing with chips on their shoulders like Purdy. Lasts about 20 seconds, egomaniac...

Then questions are back to Aaron, what about thumb, what about aaron's knee, what about aarons elbow, what about aaron's covid toe and his 2 baby pillows. I'm not even going to watch the answers, because he's probably going to talk about Aaron again, can you believe that guy? Always about himself.

Watched from there to the end, nothing, so I had to go back, 14 minutes in question was again, paraphrased, what does Aaron see in Aaron's game that might be missing from when Aaron made throws all over every game that were highlight reel worthy. I'm not waiting for the answer again, it's probably about Aaron.

So with that, someone is going to have to link the exact time stamp to hear the incriminating evidence. Otherwise I find the above summation to be a bunch of **** because all I had to do was randomly stop all over this video and it's a couple guys asking Aaron, mostly all about Aaron. He didn't have to bring anything back to talk about himself.

I have a hard time believing someone didn't ask Aaron about his level of play to illicit that answer, I found at least 1 other spot they did. Even by chance I shouldn't hit every single spot they're asking Aaron specifically about Aaron, yet I seemingly did?
 

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Rodgers is many things but it's quite predictable anymore with the direction (or misdirection) of answering he provides. Yeah I listened to the whole show and you described it well in summation.

I would add from my perspective I think his being in Green Bay for 2023 has nothing to do with Gute/GB wanting Aaron Rodgers back (they do)...I think the deeper talk is Rodgers waiting to hear how many of the specific guys he mentioned or has in VERY recent interviews (Cobb/Crosby/Lazard/Lewis/Tonyan and such...he even mentioned retaining Jones once). Pretty much I think he's waiting to hear from Gute how much future cap castration they're willing to do and he will say yes or no from there.

Which for the record if that is the case and its a open honest communication - he's earned the right at this point to ask that and they have earned the right IMO to say no....time is now all that is needed for this to play out.
Seems like the last 3 off-seasons have been nothing but a pissing contest between Rodgers and the Packers front office. Mixed into that, is a game of chicken and one-upsmanship. Rodgers may have earned his huge contract, but at no time, should a player be allowed to hold the team hostage over other personnel decisions, which seems to be the theme of this offseason. Rodgers made it pretty clear that if he doesn't like what the front office is going to do with other players, he will have no part of it. Yet, when he signed his huge extension last season, he told the team that he planned to play two or three more seasons. I guess now it is "well if I play for you another season, I want these guys back too." Great Aaron and do you want to set their prices too, I mean you might as well, you just put the Packers behind the 8 ball in negotiations with them, since they know if they don't sign, you will once again, threaten to retire.

It is pretty obvious to me that Rodgers doesn't put any stock into the contract he signed or what he told the Packers when he did sign it. When asked if he had a "no trade clause". Which is really a simple "yes or no" answer that Rodgers knew the answer to. Instead he paused a bit and said something like "well no I don't, but they know if I don't approve the team, it isn't going to happen."

Aaron is a great football player, but off the field, a bit too self-centered and all about him, not really all about the team, which is what it feels like he wants you to think.
 
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Maybe Aaron would be willing to split his $50+ million piece of the pie with his buddies, that way Gute has funds to improve the team with guys Rodgers might eventually like.

I'm all for chemistry and comradery, but this is a business, not a chess club
True. I think the Packers FO has been more than accommodating recently. Allowed him to bring Cobb in, gave him Monster $$ etc..
No more demands, give him reasonable time and if he doesn’t want to play here then trade him or ask him to retire with adequate notice. The entire team building revolves around the QB and I’d want answers well before the draft.

The mentality we’ve been entertaining with Rodgers clearly is not working. I’d Take the setback and move on. He might think we’re afraid, but I’m actually becoming increasingly excited to full-rebuild as far as myself. I’m not interested in winning our Division most years. My goals are far beyond what he’s given us. Although, I’m not one for theatrics concerning commitment either, I’d rather count my losses and run hard, run fast and run far.
 
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