Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Premontre1969]

Well...he doesnt talk to them..so statement is accurate

How do you know he doesn’t talk to them? Moreover, you guys are hitting below the belt. Have some grace, keep anyones family out of out of your remarks.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How do you know he doesn’t talk to them? Moreover, you guys are hitting below the belt. Have some grace, keep anyones family out of out of your remarks.

Come on man! First, you were the one who brought up "family", in the comment below. So don't get testy when people call you out on it. Second, do you actually follow Aaron Rodgers news off the field? This isn't new "gossip".

There’s bound to be a fight in the family at some point and hopefully, this will pass. AR finishes his career as a Green Bay Packer. I hope, I hope.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I just don’t see the benefit to a trade for either side until next season. Had we wanted him past 2022, it would’ve happened by now, the man just put up one of the best QB performances this decade.

Sorry but I don't buy that line of reasoning. No NFL team in the history of this league ever goes into a season with a lame duck QB, ever. And I think this notion that a trade works better next off-season than it does now is just made up gobble dee ****. Nobody knows what the trade market will look like then, and no team should enter a season with that cloud hanging over their head since it would affect not just Rodgers but the entire team. We don't need that here.

As @Pokerbrat2000 has said, the Packers set themselves up with options for Rodgers future, and it wouldn't be smart to just stick to some time table for when it all ends with him and starts with Love, or even if it ever starts with Love. Besides I thought Rodgers current contract just has the option to terminate after the 2021 season but if the Packers elect no, they can go till after 2023.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sorry but I don't buy that line of reasoning. No NFL team in the history of this league ever goes into a season with a lame duck QB, ever. And I think this notion that a trade works better next off-season than it does now is just made up gobble dee ****. Nobody knows what the trade market will look like then, and no team should enter a season with that cloud hanging over their head since it would affect not just Rodgers but the entire team. We don't need that here.

As @Pokerbrat2000 has said, the Packers set themselves up with options for Rodgers future, and it wouldn't be smart to just stick to some time table for when it all ends with him and starts with Love, or even if it ever starts with Love. Besides I thought Rodgers current contract just has the option to terminate after the 2021 season but if the Packers elect no, they can go till after 2023.

Since you named me, I better pipe in.

I disagree on your statement about when it would be most beneficial for the Packers to trade Rodgers. IF (key word here) the Packers have decided that they are going to be trading Rodgers, they basically have 3 options. Trade him now, trade him right before the trade deadline or trade him after the season. The 4th option, which IMO would have been the best, was to trade him last March, but they weren't ready. Options 1 and 2 probably give you the least amount in return for him. The number of teams willing to trade big assets for him is probably only a few. Same with at the trade deadline. So for me, Option 3 (next year) would be the ideal option. Not only will there be more teams wanting to trade, the value of their 2022 draft picks will be known.

As far as the part about "a plan". I think the Packers plan is still in place. Which is "we hang on to Aaron for as long as he is beneficial to the team and under contract." If Love plays lights out at 1/10th the cost, then of course they move on. If Rodgers keeps playing at an MVP level and Love is still just "potential", they they stick with Rodgers for as long as he is under contract.

The wrench in the Packers plans is Rodgers himself, he doesn't want to be a contingency. So now the Packers are stuck formulating a new plan, with the possibility that Rodgers will voluntarily remove himself from it.

BTW, the Packers can "terminate" Rodgers at anytime or keep him under his contract for 3 more seasons. They still are stuck with his dead cap hits, so cutting him and not getting anything in a trade would be kind of silly.

 

[PackAttack12]

Until the playoffs

Rodgers not being a good playoff performer is one of the worst misconceptions there is.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Since you named me, I better pipe in.

I disagree on your statement about when it would be most beneficial for the Packers to trade Rodgers. IF (key word here) the Packers have decided that they are going to be trading Rodgers, they basically have 3 options. Trade him now, trade him right before the trade deadline or trade him after the season. The 4th option, which IMO would have been the best, was to trade him last March, but they weren't ready. Options 1 and 2 probably give you the least amount in return for him. The number of teams willing to trade big assets for him is probably only a few. Same with at the trade deadline. So for me, Option 3 (next year) would be the ideal option. Not only will there be more teams wanting to trade, the value of their 2022 draft picks will be known.

As far as the part about "a plan". I think the Packers plan is still in place. Which is "we hang on to Aaron for as long as he is beneficial to the team and under contract." If Love plays lights out at 1/10th the cost, then of course they move on. If Rodgers keeps playing at an MVP level and Love is still just "potential", they they stick with Rodgers for as long as he is under contract.

The wrench in the Packers plans is Rodgers himself, he doesn't want to be a contingency. So now the Packers are stuck formulating a new plan, with the possibility that Rodgers will voluntarily remove himself from it.

BTW, the Packers can "terminate" Rodgers at anytime or keep him under his contract for 3 more seasons. They still are stuck with his dead cap hits, so cutting him and not getting anything in a trade would be kind of silly.

1. Does that even matter? You yourself said Rodgers would be likely to dictate which teams the Packers would be likely to trade him too, which I can imagine he's probably already narrowed down to 3 teams if that were to happen.

2. I'm pretty sure the Pack could set any demand they want for Rodgers right now, and the teams wanting him right now would pay it.

I just think it's a stupid idea to say we're going wait till next Feb/March and then trade him out. Especially because meantime you still don't know what Rodgers will do in regards to this season.

 

[longtimefan]

How do you know he doesn’t talk to them? Moreover, you guys are hitting below the belt. Have some grace, keep anyones family out of out of your remarks.

His brother said it on tv and tweeted it

Again im not saying it is wrong or right.. Point is the statement was correct

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

1. Does that even matter? You yourself said Rodgers would be likely to dictate which teams the Packers would be likely to trade him too, which I can imagine he's probably already narrowed down to 3 teams if that were to happen.

2. I'm pretty sure the Pack could set any demand they want for Rodgers right now, and the teams wanting him right now would pay it.

I just think it's a stupid idea to say we're going wait till next Feb/March and then trade him out. Especially because meantime you still don't know what Rodgers will do in regards to this season.

Rodgers only "control" on where he is traded would be to point blank tell that team "just so you know, I am not playing for you." But yes, the "best deal" is probably going to come from a team that fully wants him and he wants to play for them. Which, again...in my opinion, would probably be a longer list after the season VS before the season. Denver is about the only team that we even hear about right now, not that there might not be more. However, as I said way back during the draft, the longer this drags out until Sept. the fewer teams will be that interested since they already have made their plans for 2021.

I think you are incorrect about thinking the Packers being able to set any demands they want on a trade right now. What teams are you thinking about beside Denver? A trade would be all about Market demand and I can't see how that demand would be higher right now, than it would be in March of 2022.

Your final statement is exactly right, the Packers don't know what Rodgers is going to do and mine or anyone else's "trade talk" is based on IF the Packers decide to trade him, when would it be best to do so. Seems like the Packers are dug in and its up to Rodgers whether he will play or not in 2021. I would say the odds are high that he either plays in Green N' Gold or not at all this season. Next season, it will be in another jersey if that (he sits out) happens.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

1. Does that even matter? You yourself said Rodgers would be likely to dictate which teams the Packers would be likely to trade him too, which I can imagine he's probably already narrowed down to 3 teams if that were to happen.

2. I'm pretty sure the Pack could set any demand they want for Rodgers right now, and the teams wanting him right now would pay it.

I just think it's a stupid idea to say we're going wait till next Feb/March and then trade him out. Especially because meantime you still don't know what Rodgers will do in regards to this season.

The Packers would benefit by trading Rodgers before the draft next offseason knowing which picks they receive in return, at least for the 2022 draft.

If they trade him at this point it's unlikely they will receive an early pick in return.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Packers would benefit by trading Rodgers before the draft next offseason knowing which picks they receive in return, at least for the 2022 draft.

If they trade him at this point it's unlikely they will receive an early pick in return.

Stop being logical would ya!

As I have said several times, the smart move, if they are trading him, would be to wait on trading him. Any picks they get now can't be used until 2022 and as you just said and I said before, you know exactly what those 2022 picks are worth. Any players thrown into the deal aren't going to help lead a "Rodgerless team" to a SB this year, so nothing really gained on purging him now.

Throw in the fact that Denver won't be the only team looking for a QB next offseason and you have enough motivation to wait and just let Rodgers decide what 2021 will be for him. Then let the highest bidder take him.

 

[AmishMafia]

The Packers would benefit by trading Rodgers before the draft next offseason knowing which picks they receive in return, at least for the 2022 draft.

If they trade him at this point it's unlikely they will receive an early pick in return.

There are players that would be a huge lift to the Packers. They could trade to Washington for Jamin Davis, Chase Young, and a #1 next year. I think Snyder would pull the trigger on that. Whoever you draft with even the #1 overall pick next year, it's unlikely he would be a better prospect than Young. Our defense could be pretty special.

 

[tynimiller]

There are players that would be a huge lift to the Packers. They could trade to Washington for Jamin Davis, Chase Young, and a #1 next year. I think Snyder would pull the trigger on that. Whoever you draft with even the #1 overall pick next year, it's unlikely he would be a better prospect than Young. Our defense could be pretty special.

There is no way in the world unless we catch Snyder drunk would he or should he do that deal. Sorry man, that is nuts. Young is a transcendent talent, Jamin is an athletic freak and a #1.....not in a trillion years should he do it nor would I say that is a fair trade for Aaron - he ain't worth that much.

 

[AmishMafia]

There is no way in the world unless we catch Snyder drunk would he or should he do that deal. Sorry man, that is nuts. Young is a transcendent talent, Jamin is an athletic freak and a #1.....not in a trillion years should he do it nor would I say that is a fair trade for Aaron - he ain't worth that much.

Yeah, you are probably right. I was only trying to make a point that we could trade for players and come out well - not having to know when draft picks will be. I got carried away. But, I proposed this trade before and someone thought it wasn't worth it to us.

Post in thread 'Hypothetical Rodgers trade with the Raiders'

https://www.packerforum.com/threads/hypothetical-rodgers-trade-with-the-raiders.84029/post-908221

Snyder is a different kind of guy and there is no telling where his ego would take him. To land a HOF QB, I'm not sure he wouldn't do it.

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah, you are probably right. I was only trying to make a point that we could trade for players and come out well - not having to know when draft picks will be. I got carried away. But, I proposed this trade before and someone thought it wasn't worth it to us.

Post in thread 'Hypothetical Rodgers trade with the Raiders'

https://www.packerforum.com/threads/hypothetical-rodgers-trade-with-the-raiders.84029/post-908221

Snyder is a different kind of guy and there is no telling where his ego would take him. To land a HOF QB, I'm not sure he wouldn't do it.

thisisnate clearly views Rodgers as sub 30 years old and has 8-10 more years of elite ball left to think that is underpay LOL

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I said it back around the draft and I will say it again, Rodgers is a great player, but I think some Packer fans are going to be really disappointed with what he fetches in a trade. Maybe it will be more than I predicted (equivalent to 2 first rounds + a late 2nd or early 3rd), but I think if he is traded to the team with a top 5 pick in the 2022 draft, it will be a lot less.

The other thing to consider is who you are trading. I mean the next team has got to wonder if AR isn't going to pull this kind of sh*t on them? Not to mention he will want a brand new, highest paid, guaranteed contract before he reports. How much is that worth?

If you were a GM, what would you trade for Aaron Rodgers?

 

[AmishMafia]

I said it back around the draft and I will say it again, Rodgers is a great player, but I think some Packer fans are going to be really disappointed with what he fetches in a trade. Maybe it will be more than I predicted (equivalent to 2 first rounds + a late 2nd or early 3rd), but I think if he is traded to the team with a top 5 pick in the 2022 draft, it will be a lot less.

The other thing to consider is who you are trading. I mean the next team has got to wonder if AR isn't going to pull this kind of sh*t on them? Not to mention he will want a brand new, highest paid, guaranteed contract before he reports. How much is that worth?

If you were a GM, what would you trade for Aaron Rodgers?

Depends on the team. If I thought a QB was the missing piece to elevate me to SB contender, I would give up 3 #1s and 2 #2s. Why not?

Just look at what the Rams gave up for Stafford. 2 #1s and a 3rd. Rodgers is worth more than Stafford - I think we can all agree on that. Unless you value Goff more than most, that was a lot to pay.

 

[tynimiller]

Stafford should have many more years left than Rodgers though as well.

 

[rmontro]

Slight correction, he's been cryptic on a trade front not denying rumors that he wants out, but also not coming out and saying it. I think that's why the frustration by some here is building because I agree he should just publicly admit he wants to be traded if that's the case. Would still look bad but at least he'd be being honest, and then the whole thing could be ended.

The main problem with that is that it limits his options. He's locked in. From his perspective, what he said about silence being wisdom was probably accurate. It's frustrating for the fans though.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think the Packers plan is still in place. Which is "we hang on to Aaron for as long as he is beneficial to the team and under contract

I think that’s what ticks Rodgers off. It’s like dating a girl, but she now knows she’s not “the one”. Rodgers is that girl and he smells the breakup coming. It aligns with him starting the bridge burning last April.

Packer fans are going to be really disappointed with what he fetches in a trade. Maybe it will be more than I predicted (equivalent to 2 first rounds + a late 2nd or early 3rd), but I think if he is traded to the team with a top 5 pick in the 2022 draft, it will be a lot less.

I’d guess a top 5 type selection would also gain us a mid tier veteran player and a couple day 2 selections. That’s the thing about the “next year” trade argument. We’re obviously not the only ones that know the draft value, both parties will understand the draft trade value more accurately. So there’s a derivative of that argument that the contemporary trade value will be relative give or take.

The only thing I would caution with waiting too long is Rodgers could pull an Andrew Luck in the meantime. In that case that #5 plus a couple 2nd rounders might turn into zilch. It would be wise to minimize risk and dump him sooner if we have a suitable trade partner (Denver etc..) that Rodgers is agreeable to. Sometimes you get too greedy and it backfires altogether. He’s already proven to be unstable or unpredictable, let’s not make this more complicated than it has to be. If there’s a solid trade partner I’d roll with it.

 

[Schultz]

My take on Rodgers trade value. A 2022 1st rounder and a 2023 1st rounder. Depending on where those picks fall the negotiating begins. The Packers should still get a 2022 2nd or 3rd rounder while giving up a 2022 4th or 6th round pick. As far as players go maybe if GB had depth at a position of need for the other team (OL) and the trade partner had depth (DL) those players could be included.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just look at what the Rams gave up for Stafford. 2 #1s and a 3rd.

Right, but the Rams are banking on those being late first rounders. So one of my points is this, if you trade right now with Denver, what first round pick(s) are you getting? A #30 and 31 or 32?

I'd much rather trade Rodgers for a 1st and a 2nd with the team holding a 2022 top 5 pick. In that situation you might get picks #2 and 34 in 2022.

Now maybe the Lions will win the lottery and Stafford gets hurt or bombs with Rams and they end up with 2 top 5 picks. I doubt that happens and would rather trade for known picks.

 

[AmishMafia]

Right, but the Rams are banking on those being late first rounders. So one of my points is this, if you trade right now with Denver, what first round pick(s) are you getting? A #30 and 31 or 32?

I'd much rather trade Rodgers for a 1st and a 2nd with the team holding a 2022 top 5 pick. In that situation you might get picks #2 and 34 in 2022.

Now maybe the Lions will win the lottery and Stafford gets hurt or bombs with Rams and they end up with 2 top 5 picks. I doubt that happens and would rather trade for known picks.

I get it. I don't think they will be quite that good, even with Rodgers. I wouldn't bet against it, though. And if AR gets hurt? We are talking top 5 pick.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I get it. I don't think they will be quite that good, even with Rodgers. I wouldn't bet against it, though. And if AR gets hurt? We are talking top 5 pick.

Yup, it's anyone guess what a future pick is worth right now. However, I would say that the odds are high, that a Rodgers lead Broncos team is going to net the Packers a back end of any round selection. So why not wait until the 3-14 Washington Football team offers up their first and second round picks?

 

[rmontro]

So why not wait until the 3-14 Washington Football team offers up their first and second round picks?

I like it. A passive-aggressive QB for a team with a passive-aggressive name

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Rodgers not being a good playoff performer is one of the worst misconceptions there is.

Has something been happening that I didn`t know about ? . We won stuff ????