Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Deleted member 6794]

I’d guess a top 5 type selection would also gain us a mid tier veteran player and a couple day 2 selections. That’s the thing about the “next year” trade argument. We’re obviously not the only ones that know the draft value, both parties will understand the draft trade value more accurately. So there’s a derivative of that argument that the contemporary trade value will be relative give or take.

The only thing I would caution with waiting too long is Rodgers could pull an Andrew Luck in the meantime. In that case that #5 plus a couple 2nd rounders might turn into zilch. It would be wise to minimize risk and dump him sooner if we have a suitable trade partner (Denver etc..) that Rodgers is agreeable to. Sometimes you get too greedy and it backfires altogether. He’s already proven to be unstable or unpredictable, let’s not make this more complicated than it has to be. If there’s a solid trade partner I’d roll with it.

It's probable the Packers don't end up with a top five pick if they trade Rodgers before next year's offseason though.

My take on Rodgers trade value. A 2022 1st rounder and a 2023 1st rounder. Depending on where those picks fall the negotiating begins. The Packers should still get a 2022 2nd or 3rd rounder while giving up a 2022 4th or 6th round pick. As far as players go maybe if GB had depth at a position of need for the other team (OL) and the trade partner had depth (DL) those players could be included.

If the Packers trade Rodgers now they can't negotiate with the team acquiring him once they know where these picks end up though.

 

[Schultz]

So by inference one would understand that I was hypothesizing about a trade after this season.

 

[Half Empty]

Has something been happening that I didn`t know about ? . We won stuff ????

Yup, a little over a decade ago.

 

[PackAttack12]

Yup, it's anyone guess what a future pick is worth right now. However, I would say that the odds are high, that a Rodgers lead Broncos team is going to net the Packers a back end of any round selection. So why not wait until the 3-14 Washington Football team offers up their first and second round picks?

Rodgers isn't going to play for an awful franchise and get his teeth kicked in for 17 weeks a year in his age 39 season. He's going to make it clear to prospective trade partners that he'll only play for a handful of teams.

Unless the Packers end up trading him for a bag of peanuts like they did Favre. In that case, any team would risk a single draft pick to get him. But if the Packers have a team like the Broncos offering multiple draft picks, it takes the lower level suitors completely out of play. In my opinion.

I think Rodgers will have leverage in the sense that he will sort of get to dictate his way into playing for a select few teams.

 

[PackAttack12]

Has something been happening that I didn`t know about ? . We won stuff ????

I guess you live in a world where Eli Manning was a better quarterback than Dan Marino and Trent Dilfer is equally as good of a quarterback as Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Rodgers isn't going to play for an awful franchise and get his teeth kicked in for 17 weeks a year in his age 39 season. He's going to make it clear to prospective trade partners that he'll only play for a handful of teams.

While there is some definite truth to that, the more of those "potential trade partners" the better for the Packers. Which I believe comes at the end of the season, not now. At least in that situation the Packers can say "We have a #4 and and #36 being offered by this team", so your #28 and #60 aren't anywhere close.

I also think the Packers will have more leverage than some think in who Rodgers would be "willing" to play for. If the only team he wants to play for, only offers the Packers that "bag of peanuts" you mentioned, they will simply not trade him. So if Rodgers wants to play, he will have to be more open to other teams.

The Packers should not let Rodgers dictate everything, if it comes at a high cost, they have already paid that high cost with all the upfront money they gave him.

 

[AKCheese]

Rodgers not being a good playoff performer is one of the worst misconceptions there is.

How many points did he put on the board after the 3 interceptions in the NFCCG…. Actually how many 1st downs did they even make?

 

[Krabs]

How many points did he put on the board after the 3 interceptions in the NFCCG…. Actually how many 1st downs did they even make?

The Bucs defense was pretty stout. I say he manages some points out of those turnovers if Bakhtiari was there. Alas, he was hurt and Rodgers was under more pressure than usual.

 

[longtimefan]

The Bucs defense was pretty stout. I say he manages some points out of those turnovers if Bakhtiari was there. Alas, he was hurt and Rodgers was under more pressure than usual.

Thats the what if game..what we know is what happened

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Bucs defense was pretty stout. I say he manages some points out of those turnovers if Bakhtiari was there. Alas, he was hurt and Rodgers was under more pressure than usual.

Thats the what if game..what we know is what happened

Well, we do know that in their first meeting of the season, Bahk was playing, at least for the first half and then I think he left with a chest injury in the 3rd Q. However, it didn't seem to make much of a difference, as Rodgers was totally under pressure in that first half too.

 

[Firethorn1001]

How many points did he put on the board after the 3 interceptions in the NFCCG…. Actually how many 1st downs did they even make?

6 pts.

Then the other 2 were 6 plays for -5 yards in the 4th quarter.

 

[OldSchool101]

The Rodgers led Packers have a 11-9 Win-Loss record in the playoffs. (3 of those losses came in OT) That’s pretty much in line with the GB historic playoff record of 36-24.
That’s pretty respectable. Not “great”, but “good”” would certainly be appropriate. Brett was 12-10 while leading the Pack (with a higher % of top 10 scoring Defenses)

 

[Krabs]

Thats the what if game..what we know is what happened

You bet it's the what if game. A lot of talk on here is "what if" or just speculation. It's just a point I wanted to make.

 

[Krabs]

Well, we do know that in their first meeting of the season, Bahk was playing, at least for the first half and then I think he left with a chest injury in the 3rd Q. However, it didn't seem to make much of a difference, as Rodgers was totally under pressure in that first half too.

That's a solid point. I just think they would have faired a bit better down the stretch if he was in. As pointed out though, it is the what if game and that doesn't matter. I would still choose to have Rodgers over Love in that situation last season. Outcome is probably the same, but I'd roll with the 3 time MVP and not a rookie.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's a solid point. I just think they would have faired a bit better down the stretch if he was in. As pointed out though, it is the what if game and that doesn't matter. I would still choose to have Rodgers over Love in that situation last season. Outcome is probably the same, but I'd roll with the 3 time MVP and not a rookie.

Someone will point to games where I am wrong, but where Rodgers seems to struggle the most is games against defenses that have fast and superior front 7's. Which makes sense, most teams do. However, with Rodgers its compounded by his desire/need to make multiple reads and quite often not getting the ball out as quickly as he should. Often times it looks like once that happens a few times during a game, he goes into panic mode and from there his game just slides. Again, this isn't that uncommon, but a GREAT QB needs to rise up and find ways to win when facing a great defense, Rodgers has occasionally struggled doing that. So as not to put all the blame on him, I would say that since about 2018 or so, the Packers really haven't helped him much in the way of weapons, so some of those times when Rodgers just can't find open receivers can be attributed to that. Can't really use that "excuse" though during the days when Rodgers had at least 2 if not 4 decent receivers.

 

[sschind]

Playoff record aside I'd take Rodgers over just about any QB who has played the game. I've said before that his play in 2017,18,19 had diminished some and that partially led to the selection of Love and I stand by that but I am also one of the first to admit that a diminished Rodgers is still better than almost every other QB in the league.

That's why I want him back for another 3 years. I'm tired if his attitude as well but I want the best guy on the field and right now and for the next 3 years I think that guy is Aaron Rodgers.

On the other hand if they can trade him for a couple first rounders and then some I'd be perfectly fine with that as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Even one of Rodgers closest friends, AJ Hawk, who just spent a week vacationing with Rodgers isn't sure what will happen this year.

"I was there for a week [with Rodgers] and I still don't know," Hawk said. "I don't know if anyone has any answers. I don't know how either side feels. I don't know if they're making progress, but either way, they have to make progress one way or the other before camp starts."

Ex-Packers star just spent some time with Aaron Rodgers and here's his take on how the QB's drama will end

There's some good news in here for Packers fans and some bad news

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[OldSchool101]

Someone will point to games where I am wrong, but where Rodgers seems to struggle the most is games against defenses that have fast and superior front 7's. Which makes sense, most teams do. However, with Rodgers its compounded by his desire/need to make multiple reads and quite often not getting the ball out as quickly as he should. Often times it looks like once that happens a few times during a game, he goes into panic mode and from there his game just slides. Again, this isn't that uncommon, but a GREAT QB needs to rise up and find ways to win when facing a great defense, Rodgers has occasionally struggled doing that. So as not to put all the blame on him, I would say that since about 2018 or so, the Packers really haven't helped him much in the way of weapons, so some of those times when Rodgers just can't find open receivers can be attributed to that. Can't really use that "excuse" though during the days when Rodgers had at least 2 if not 4 decent receivers.

I agree. I feel like this season Rodgers would have the best choice of weapons since Jordy and Cobb were both on the field. It’s likely we get an unknown receiver to rise also, we’ve got 2-3 veteran Receivers we’ve been grooming that are battling for Roster spots. Also a possible big target if Funchess can shake the rust.

It’s kinda unfortunate he picked this season to create controversy. As long as the Defense does not regress or improves slightly (some questions there at new DC), I think this is one of Rodgers best O rosters to get into a deep playoff position. I don’t see another team that both needs a QB and is significantly ahead of the Packers in playoff odds (in the now unlikely event he bails out).

 

[AKCheese]

what amuses me is people (Rodgers?) lament that the Packers haven’t put talent around him. Yet the same people espouse the Bahk is the premiere LT in the league (you also had Lindsey at Center and Jenkins a very fine guard), Adams is “the best” WR in the league (certainly top 5 imo), Aaron Jones is a likewise a top 5 RB …. Aarron Rodgers the greatest QB ever to play the game (???) something does not compute. Somebody here acknowledged that Rodgers was good but not great for a few years prior to Love being taken…. Remind me again why we should kiss this guys *** or mortgage the future as he rolls towards 40? Getting a haul of lofty draft choices for him at this point would be a gift from the football gods imo. A) he’s an arrogant diva and I question his ability to lead this franchise or this football team. (That’s on him, a totally self inflicted wound) B) father time is father time (and Rodgers is no Tom Brady)…I just hope to god the Packers don’t do something stupid to try to placcate this guy or “save face”

 

[Schultz]

Someone will point to games where I am wrong, but where Rodgers seems to struggle the most is games against defenses that have fast and superior front 7's. Which makes sense, most teams do. However, with Rodgers its compounded by his desire/need to make multiple reads and quite often not getting the ball out as quickly as he should. Often times it looks like once that happens a few times during a game, he goes into panic mode and from there his game just slides. Again, this isn't that uncommon, but a GREAT QB needs to rise up and find ways to win when facing a great defense, Rodgers has occasionally struggled doing that. So as not to put all the blame on him, I would say that since about 2018 or so, the Packers really haven't helped him much in the way of weapons, so some of those times when Rodgers just can't find open receivers can be attributed to that. Can't really use that "excuse" though during the days when Rodgers had at least 2 if not 4 decent receivers.

Green Bay used to address this by having the best halfback screen game in the league. What happened to that?

 

[Mondio]

I loved Jordy as much as anybody. His dad was my tippy cup partner for crying out loud pre-game in MN. We bonded LOL

But he was out of football a year later. You can argue he would have been better with Rodgers all you want, and that is fine, and may even be true to a small degree, BUT you do NOT pay someone 10 million dollars a year when they require a HOF QB to throw them the ball to make any sort of impact. Devante kept playing, and played well. Jordy fell off the face of the earth.

 

[Krabs]

what amuses me is people (Rodgers?) lament that the Packers haven’t put talent around him. Yet the same people espouse the Bahk is the premiere LT in the league (you also had Lindsey at Center and Jenkins a very fine guard), Adams is “the best” WR in the league (certainly top 5 imo), Aaron Jones is a likewise a top 5 RB …. Aarron Rodgers the greatest QB ever to play the game (???) something does not compute. Somebody here acknowledged that Rodgers was good but not great for a few years prior to Love being taken…. Remind me again why we should kiss this guys *** or mortgage the future as he rolls towards 40? Getting a haul of lofty draft choices for him at this point would be a gift from the football gods imo. A) he’s an arrogant diva and I question his ability to lead this franchise or this football team. (That’s on him, a totally self inflicted wound) B) father time is father time (and Rodgers is no Tom Brady)…I just hope to god the Packers don’t do something stupid to try to placcate this guy or “save face”

I agree with all of this. The only thing is that this team is built to win a championship now and that won't happen with Love. With Rodgers there is a chance. All of my bro in laws are MN fans. They would mortgage their future for just one championship and be happy about it. The Packers are upside down on the cap right now and are in a rebuild in a couple of seasons, if not next season. If we trade Rodgers before this season the rebuild begins now. The time is now to win a championship. Trading Rodgers takes that chance away.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I loved Jordy as much as anybody. His dad was my tippy cup partner for crying out loud pre-game in MN. We bonded LOL

But he was out of football a year later. You can argue he would have been better with Rodgers all you want, and that is fine, and may even be true to a small degree, BUT you do NOT pay someone 10 million dollars a year when they require a HOF QB to throw them the ball to make any sort of impact. Devante kept playing, and played well. Jordy fell off the face of the earth.

I think the whole "Should Randall or Jordy have been a Packer longer" is kind of a moot point and I can see arguments for both sides. I also understand that Rodgers loosing one of his best friends on the team was hard too. Hell, the Bucks seem to keep Giannis's brother on the team for support. All that said, what I think is perplexing and probably more frustrating to Rodgers, is that the Packers used very little draft assets and zero free agent money to replace either of them. The closest thing Gute did was spend a 4th, 5th and a 6th on Moore, MVS and EQ in the 2018 draft. The coup de grâce was the 2020 draft. This draft is packed with WR talent and I am pretty sure Rodgers is probably thinking "finally, I am going to get a top WR to pair with Davante" and the news he hears is "The Packers select his replacement"? Yeah, I would have been a bit miffed too.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree with all of this. The only thing is that this team is built to win a championship now and that won't happen with Love. With Rodgers there is a chance. All of my bro in laws are MN fans. They would mortgage their future for just one championship and be happy about it. The Packers are upside down on the cap right now and are in a rebuild in a couple of seasons, if not next season. If we trade Rodgers before this season the rebuild begins now. The time is now to win a championship. Trading Rodgers takes that chance away.

I don't think there is any doubt that the Packers best chance for a SB is with a fully functional, at the top of his game, AR under center and that this year might be the last chance for that and as you said, a team that is upside down on the cap. However, I really would rather start the rebuild process this season IF Rodgers doesn't come back fully vested and "healed". Meaning, if his head and heart isn't really into playing for the Packers, then stay away from Green Bay. Having Rodgers coming back still pissed and bu++ hurt over things isn't going to get the Packers to a SB. What it will do though is, tear the team apart more, might lose Adams, one less year of playing experience for Jordan and cost the Packers a bu++ load of cap money that they could use next year. The final cost of having AR play half-essed, would be his performance might get some teams saying "Wow, Aaron really didn't look good, sure we want to trade much for him?"

I just don't see Rodgers being able to turn that switch of animosity completely off. He may try and pretend its off, but will it be? Problem is, if it is there and the Packers know its there they then have 3 options....play him, trade him or bench him.....but all 3 means he gets paid.

 

[Krabs]

I don't think there is any doubt that the Packers best chance for a SB is with a fully functional, at the top of his game, AR under center and that this year might be the last chance for that and as you said, a team that is upside down on the cap. However, I really would rather start the rebuild process this season IF Rodgers doesn't come back fully vested and "healed". Meaning, if his head and heart isn't really into playing for the Packers, then stay away from Green Bay. Having Rodgers coming back still pissed and bu++ hurt over things isn't going to get the Packers to a SB. What it will do though is, tear the team apart more, might lose Adams, one less year of playing experience for Jordan and cost the Packers a bu++ load of cap money that they could use next year. The final cost of having AR play half-essed, would be his performance might get some teams saying "Wow, Aaron really didn't look good, sure we want to trade much for him?"

I just don't see Rodgers being able to turn that switch of animosity completely off. He may try and pretend its off, but will it be? Problem is, if it is there and the Packers know its there they then have 3 options....play him, trade him or bench him.....but all 3 means he gets paid.

I totally get this line of thinking. There is one thing that is not taken into account though. Rodgers, if anything, is super competitive. He is not going to go out there and not put in full effort. If anyone says, "well, look at this offseason". Sure, he skipped OTA's for the first time in his career. That's not a make or break on his competitiveness. He has said that he does not throw in the offseason because it is his break. That is nothing new. He works out still and keeps his body in shape, but doesn't throw. Come time to put those pads on he is not going to go anything less than 100%.

Like I said though, I get your thinking and I'm sick of his diva attitude. I want to ride one more year out with him and then let's see what happens. I'm personally not ready to move on, because like I said, this team is built to win now with him under center.