"Realistic" WR Discussions...

[Dantés]

Sanu would be a much bigger upgrade than Hurns IMO. I'd embrace Hurns as doing 'something better than nothing' type of a deal and he has more experience than Allison, but still he isn't that big of an upgrade otherwise.

I'm not trying to build Sanu up to be some amazing stud. He isn't. He's been a 10-12 YPC player who works underneath-- a possession receiver. But he gets open out of the slot and he reliably catches the ball. In other words, he's a chain mover. Over the last couple of seasons, he's accounted for about 40 first downs per season, for a 1st down % of ~62% over the two years. This is on almost exactly the same number of catches (66 in 2018 and 67 in 2017). In 2018, he had 6.1 yards after the catch per reception and in 2017, he had 4.1. And again, he's a slot receiver-- a position that is essentially empty for the Packers right now.

To this point in the season, the Packers' biggest problem on offense has been converting 3rd downs. They have a 31% conversion rate, which is 27th overall. When they aren't breaking big plays, it's hard for them to sustain drives and score points. Sanu is the type of player who could help. If he comes here, he might only have 4-5 catches per game, but if those 4-5 catches per game result in 3-4 conversions per game, he would be worth it. He'd keep the offense on the field and give other guys a chance to score touchdowns.

 

[Mondio]

we need chain moving, chain moving gives us more opportunities at big plays than going for big plays all the time.

 

[RepStar15]

This is unrealistic but a trade that I think would be mutually beneficial: Straight player for player trade- Jimmy Graham back to SEA for Tyler Lockett

 

[Dantés]

This is unrealistic but a trade that I think would be mutually beneficial: Straight player for player trade- Jimmy Graham back to SEA for Tyler Lockett

How in the world would that be mutually beneficial? Lockett is a young stud and Graham is old and essentially useless.

 

[Stanger37]

This is unrealistic but a trade that I think would be mutually beneficial: Straight player for player trade- Jimmy Graham back to SEA for Tyler Lockett

May I ask what you are smoking to get this conclusion? Must be some good stuff.

 

[GleefulGary]

This is unrealistic but a trade that I think would be mutually beneficial: Straight player for player trade- Jimmy Graham back to SEA for Tyler Lockett

Do you know what mutually beneficial means? I'm not sure you do.

 

[Dantés]

Some more on Sanu.

Last year, he dropped three passes on 94 targets and had a catch % right at 70%.

Just to put this in perspective, last year Davante Adams dropped five passes on 169 targets and had a catch rate of 65.7%. Adams had more downfield targets, so this is not an apples to apples comparison. But numbers need context.

This year, Sanu has one drop on 40 targets and a catch rate of 80%.

 

[RepStar15]

How in the world would that be mutually beneficial? Lockett is a young stud and Graham is old and essentially useless.

Seattle needs a TE and Graham worked well in their red zone offense. Obviously unrealistic, but would be a SB move for the pack

 

[Dantés]

Seattle needs a TE and Graham worked well in their red zone offense. Obviously unrealistic, but would be a SB move for the pack

They need a TE but how would it make sense to trade one of their best young players for one that is old and broken down?

 

[tynimiller]

This is unrealistic but a trade that I think would be mutually beneficial: Straight player for player trade- Jimmy Graham back to SEA for Tyler Lockett

Mutually beneficial....about as mutually beneficial as us just calling up Chiefs or Texans and say we'll take Hill or Hopkins for Graham straight up...LOL

Some more on Sanu.

Last year, he dropped three passes on 94 targets and had a catch % right at 70%.

Just to put this in perspective, last year Davante Adams dropped five passes on 169 targets and had a catch rate of 65.7%. Adams had more downfield targets, so this is not an apples to apples comparison. But numbers need context.

This year, Sanu has one drop on 40 targets and a catch rate of 80%.

I'm telling you folks may call me nuts but I'd call Atlanta and start with a 4th rounder and willing to go 3rd if it gets it done. I love the option of one more year, I love his experience, I love what he provides and I love his demeanor and attitude.

 

[Mondio]

Do you know what mutually beneficial means? I'm not sure you do.

it means we get to stick it right in Pete's butt and he spits out his gum

 

[Jerellh528]

Keenan Allen

 

[XPack]

Abundant of Trade rumours for OBJ. He hasn't even been targeted much this season.

And Browns O-Line is in shambles. So if we can offer them a Guard/Tackle/Centre plus a high draft pick, we might end up getting OBJ.

It's not unrealistic, but imho a bit of a reach to get this trade.

 

[Scotland Yard]

guys. He made a couple big plays but just slow the hell down anointing him as the #2 or #3 WR.

Its the ultimate reactionary crazy fan mindset to think a guy should be in a starting role based on 4 catches.

I wouldve thought people wouldve learned after Janis.... I was wrong apparently

What is so "crazy" about saying Lazard should be ahead of Allison, Kumerow and Shepherd on the depth chart?

We've got Adams #1, I'll give you Scantling #2, and then a cluster of guys (Allison has been putrid this season).

So, your opinion is that Allison, Kumerow and Shepherd (all undrafted) are all so great Lazard must stay behind them on the depth chart? Really? And I'm the one with the "crazy" opinion?

 

[GleefulGary]

Keenan Allen

Realistic, please.

 

[GleefulGary]

Abundant of Trade rumours for OBJ. He hasn't even been targeted much this season.

And Browns O-Line is in shambles. So if we can offer them a Guard/Tackle/Centre plus a high draft pick, we might end up getting OBJ.

It's not unrealistic, but imho a bit of a reach to get this trade.

Oh. Not unrealistic? Which OL are we trading that they'd give up OBJ?

C'mon guys. Just a little logic is appreciated.

 

[RRyder]

What is so "crazy" about saying Lazard should be ahead of Allison, Kumerow and Shepherd on the depth chart?

We've got Adams #1, I'll give you Scantling #2, and then a cluster of guys (Allison has been putrid this season).

So, your opinion is that Allison, Kumerow and Shepherd (all undrafted) are all so great Lazard must stay behind them on the depth chart? Really? And I'm the one with the "crazy" opinion?

Literally never said they were great.

Saying 4 catches is good enough to leap from a player borderline PS guy into a starting role is yes completely crazy and an overreaction.

Did he earn a chance for some more reps with those 4 catches? Yep. That's a far cry from saying he should be the #2 or #3 WR. It's literally the Janis mindset all over again

 

[Scotland Yard]

Literally never said they were great.

Saying 4 catches is good enough to leap from a player borderline PS guy into a starting role is yes completely crazy and an overreaction.

Did he earn a chance for some more reps with those 4 catches? Yep. That's a far cry from saying he should be the #2 or #3 WR. It's literally the Janis mindset all over again

If Lazard isn't at least #3 this week you are saying Kumerow or Shepherd should be (both borderline PS guys right?).

Nothing to do with 'Janis mindset'. We don't have any other options right now. Do you understand that?

Snide comments about 'Janis mindset' are a red herring to insult other posters rather than stick to facts at hand.

 

[RRyder]

If Lazard isn't at least #3 this week you are saying Kumerow or Shepherd should be (both borderline PS guys right?).

Nothing to do with 'Janis mindset'. We don't have any other options right now. Do you understand that?

Snide comments about 'Janis mindset' are a red herring to insult other posters rather than stick to facts at hand.

Facts are you are anointing him off of 4 catches. Slow the hell down. It was 4 catches.

And yes it's a snide comment but still true. Janis was anointed based off of a handful of plays and that's exactly what you are doing right now

 

[Mondio]

I guess at this point Lazard should get a good look. Others have had opportunity to step up and take control of a position. To date none really have. They've made some plays, they've missed some plays. Adams and MVS are about all that should be solid in that rotation and MVS because of the speed he brings. But after that? inconsistent at best, barely noticeable most times. If Lazard can keep performing, he takes it. But it's easy to look good for a short period. Lots and lots of people do it. though I think lazard has legitimate skills and if he can go up and make catches, that's all I need at this point.

 

[XPack]

Oh. Not unrealistic? Which OL are we trading that they'd give up OBJ?

C'mon guys. Just a little logic is appreciated.

News says Pats, 49ers and one more team have already enquired. Add in more rumours that Mayfield is playing scared as the O-Line can't protect him at all.

I'd not be surprised if there was a trade in near future.

 

[Scotland Yard]

Facts are you are anointing him off of 4 catches. Slow the hell down. It was 4 catches.

And yes it's a snide comment but still true. Janis was anointed based off of a handful of plays and that's exactly what you are doing right now

No. You are 100% wrong in everything you wrote. (Save for the admission of snide commentary).

It is not "crazy" to have reasonable doubts about Geronimo, Kumerow and Shepperd, and give Lazard a chance to play more. No one is anointing him anything.

Likewise, I am in this thread advocating the Packers trade for a true #2 WR like Sanders of DEN, or another #1 like Beckham. That would push Scantling down to #3 and Lazard & Geronimo could compete for the #4 and #5 reps in such a scenario, which is what I want to happen.

That is the truth of my position, not your made up fantasy world where you are the only smart fan out there.

 

[RRyder]

No. You are 100% wrong in everything you wrote. (Save for the admission of snide commentary).

It is not "crazy" to have reasonable doubts about Geronimo, Kumerow and Shepperd, and give Lazard a chance to play more. No one is anointing him anything.

Likewise, I am in this thread advocating the Packers trade for a true #2 WR like Sanders of DEN, or another #1 like Beckham. That would push Scantling down to #3 and Lazard & Geronimo could compete for the #4 and #5 reps in such a scenario, which is what I want to happen.

That is the truth of my position, not your made up fantasy world where you are the only smart fan out there.

This is quite literally NOT what you posted and something I quite literally replied with.

And I'm the one that's living in a fantasy land? lol

I never said i was the only smart fan out there. But rather that fans advocating Lazard be moved up to #2/#3 on the depth chart, (which is what YOU SAID), off 4 catches arent

Saying he earned extra reps and your original statement are VASTY different things

 

[thisisnate]

What do we open up in cap space by ditching Graham next year?

 

[Stanger37]

News says Pats, 49ers and one more team have already enquired. Add in more rumours that Mayfield is playing scared as the O-Line can't protect him at all.

I'd not be surprised if there was a trade in near future.

I think part of the reason Mayfield is playing the way he is, is because we all know OBJ needs the ball and he is trying to get him the ball too much. They are trying for the big play instead of just taking what the defense gives him. I am sure Cleveland recognizes it but won't admit it. Much like the Packers right now, their offense needs to run through Chubb and set the rest up.

But I digress, I think that will be a problem with ANY team that would potentially get OBJ. He isn't an AJ Green / Julio / Hopkins, even Adams. Studs that stay quiet. He is a big diva and whoever is throwing to him, better throw him so much volume that it is going to take away some plays that are there because they're going for the big flashy play.

Just my opinion. He can obviously be a difference maker but I like the next man up chemistry they got going on right now. I like Adams as their #1 with a solid #2 that will create space for Adams just being on the field.