Rasul Douglas has been traded to the Bills

[PackAttack12]

This also sets Barry up to get the boot at seasons end.

 

[OldSchool101]

Rasual was a good player. Not great, but one of the better Packer defenders. They used him to get that better pick next year, free up quite a bit of cap room, and make it possible for Valentine to get field time.

Valentine might not be quite as good, but let's face it. What's the difference? We can't score, and someone else on defense will mess up, and having Rasual there isn't going to make a lick of difference.

We're going to see a lot of guys not getting offers when this season ends.

Yes. In addition, we are not in a fire sale necessarily, but if someone rings our phone and says they’ll pay market + on an item we found at a garage sale?
It’s tough because these are people here we’re dealing and sometimes we get emotionally attached. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever. From a purely subjective opinion? I actually think Rasul will eventually love it in Buffalo. He’s the one that says he wants to Win. Buffalo needs him bad and I bet they’re super excited to get him because we know first hand he can elevate that position when motivated. We witnessed that as Packer fans.
We don’t need him like they do and we elevate our Cap standing AND draft standing starting immediately.

Bonus: He’s AFC

Good Luck Rasul I’ve already prayed for you brother. Some of it selfish, mostly not. Now take down the Jets Nov 19

 

[tynimiller]

Rasual was a good player. Not great, but one of the better Packer defenders. They used him to get that better pick next year, free up quite a bit of cap room, and make it possible for Valentine to get field time.

Valentine might not be quite as good, but let's face it. What's the difference? We can't score, and someone else on defense will mess up, and having Rasual there isn't going to make a lick of difference.

We're going to see a lot of guys not getting offers when this season ends.

I don't see this move changing the needle on anyone...the biggest one needing done is done - Gary. Otherwise - same as at the beginning of the year for me on most:

Savage - his injury and some of his play may have gotten him a one year cheap deal to make money elsewhere.
Dillon - unless good deal for Packers I don't think he is back
Nijman - I thought he'd play himself out of GB as someone would out pay us....now he may just be out of GB *this one changed from beginning reason but not result
Deguara - I've said before I'd at this point rather sign Dillon and explain he is going to be RB3 but FB1 and fill the Josiah role.
Runyan - I'm mixed on....I would love to not have to have him here.
Caleb Jones - ERFA he will be back
Nixon - I don't see him worth the pay
Rudy Ford - This guy has played just good enough for us to maybe pay him something but I don't think others will *this one changed I figure no chance
Leavitt - If back it will be ST reasons again
Eric Wilson - gone unless cheap
Tyler Davis - He'll get a chance cheap
Jonathan Owens - He'll get a chance cheap I think
Zayne Anderson - RFA he will be here
Whelan - ERFA he will be here for sure

 

[OldSchool101]

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/gutekunst-explains-why-he-traded-rasul-douglas-to-bills

Interesting article. Kinda what I was thinking.
1. That #88 draft slot is a player you expect to slide off your 2nd Round internal draft board. In this case Brian even took it a step further by saying his “top 50 board”

2. Rasul would likely not be in our future past 2023 or 2024 best case as he’s nearing 30’s and at this point he’s holding back growth from Valentine. Also we fully expect to have Stokes back early 2024. That means we have Stokes and J’aire as CB1 CB2 and that puts overlap with Rasul (Champagne problems). If Valentine is who we think he is we have our CB3, but we need to get a good look at Valentine now. If he’s not, we can go plan B and draft our CB3 successor.

3. We got an unexpected call, which is exactly what I thought. We were not shopping him, but a buyer fell in our lap. Brian said Rasuls’ comments did not provoke the trade. However imo they only helped justify it in Brian’s head also. I think Brian was actually allowing Rasul the chance to be on a Winning program sooner, which is exactly what Rasul just voiced a few days ago.

Smart move there and sounded like a really tough call, but too good to pass up also.

 

[Packerbacker1996]

LaFleur has got to go. Not inspirational and play calling should be ripped from his duties at least.
Problem is finding a replacement yet now Josh Daniels is available from Oakland. Maybe he can bring the disgruntled Adams back with him.

No no Daniel's. He'll no. If you going to fire Lafleur mid-season then just promote Bisaccia to HC and see how he does rest of season. If looks promising then give the man a chance for 2 years and see if there is incremental consistent improvement. If he don't look good rest 9f the year start calling Cowher, Holmgrin, Parcells if you can't lure any of this out of retirement then consider Ben Johnson an new HC (maybe) see how Detroit looks rest of season.

As for Adams. Nop. Doesn't fit in this team anymore. Getting to old. We going young, then stay young. I don't see lock of talent being the problem but rather coaching at ALL LEVELS.

Furthermore. If Love isn't thd answer then go agressivly after Cousins in the off-season assuming Vikes don't sign him to an extention meanwhile.

Give the man a 5 year deal while giving yourself an out after year 2-3.

Then instead of dumping all the picks to trade up to get a promising unproven QB in the draft, spend those pics on O-Line and or sign couple impact O-l8neman jn FA. This will make us instant contenders for division title.

Please don't start building from QB up.
Instead build a solid rou ded team like SF and insert a QB later unless you can get cousins.

 

[Pugger]

This also sets Barry up to get the boot at seasons end.

We can only hope...

 

[milani]

Not gonna lie, I would rather have Caleb Williams drafted to Packers than us sign Jim Harbaugh....and everyone knows how much I despise Williams as an immature child....Harbaugh to me is just a full grown version of the same. Pass...

Harbaugh is but he knew how to win.

 

[milani]

I don't see this move changing the needle on anyone...the biggest one needing done is done - Gary. Otherwise - same as at the beginning of the year for me on most:

Savage - his injury and some of his play may have gotten him a one year cheap deal to make money elsewhere.
Dillon - unless good deal for Packers I don't think he is back
Nijman - I thought he'd play himself out of GB as someone would out pay us....now he may just be out of GB *this one changed from beginning reason but not result
Deguara - I've said before I'd at this point rather sign Dillon and explain he is going to be RB3 but FB1 and fill the Josiah role.
Runyan - I'm mixed on....I would love to not have to have him here.
Caleb Jones - ERFA he will be back
Nixon - I don't see him worth the pay
Rudy Ford - This guy has played just good enough for us to maybe pay him something but I don't think others will *this one changed I figure no chance
Leavitt - If back it will be ST reasons again
Eric Wilson - gone unless cheap
Tyler Davis - He'll get a chance cheap
Jonathan Owens - He'll get a chance cheap I think
Zayne Anderson - RFA he will be here
Whelan - ERFA he will be here for sure

Rasul could make picks. His biggest one beat Arizona in 2021. The guys who take his place are a long ways from his level. They will be chasing tail for a few years.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Furthermore. If Love isn't thd answer then go agressivly after Cousins in the off-season assuming Vikes don't sign him to an extention meanwhile.

Give the man a 5 year deal while giving yourself an out after year 2-3.

Wait, what? Give a 36 year old guy, who just tore his Achilles a big 5 year deal?

 

[tynimiller]

Wait, what? Give a 36 year old guy, who just tore his Achilles a big 5 year deal?

I'm going to assume Packer didn't realize how old Cousins is nor did he know of the achilles tear. I hope.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm going to assume Packer didn't realize how old Cousins is nor did he know of the achilles tear. I hope.

I could sort of understand the move if the Packers had a really good team and were just missing a QB AND Cousins was a healthy soon to be 36. They aren't and he isn't.

Still surprising, but not really, that some people are already giving up on Love. I also have to go back and admit I was wrong about something. I didn't think the Packers needed to bring in veteran receivers to help with Love's development. I now think that would have been a much better strategy going into 2023. Didn't have to be top end guys, but guys that Love could have more confidence in to run the right routes and get open. Not saying Watson, Doubs, Reed and Musgrave are bad players, just a bit too green to break in a green QB.

 

[Packerbacker1996]

Wait, what? Give a 36 year old guy, who just tore his Achilles a big 5 year deal?

Yes sir. The man still have good 3-5 years left in him. I rather have a well stacked rounded team then giving up a crapton of draft capital to move down to draft a maybe he gonna be great QB.

Draft O-line this year. If I'm trading down it is for LT and C or top noch G not a QB.

With the way this O-line and WR are playing we don't yet know what we have in Love, do let's improve the O-line, maybe grab a youngish WR&TE in FA if any worth getting and roll with Love 1 more season. O ya, most of all get read of Lefluff.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes sir. The man still have good 3-5 years left in him.

While I would probably be in the head of the line to say that I think Kirk Cousins is a totally under-rated QB, no way am I locking big money up in a guy that might not be able to play again. If he can, how will the achilles effect his play? The answers to those questions would probably be unknown, by the time free agency comes around. Plus, I am not ready to give up on Love.

 

[mradtke66]

Harbaugh is but he knew how to win.

I'm not convinced Harbaugh can sustain his success at the Pro Level. By all impressions, he's a hard-*** and his approach wears on grown men. You can get away with that in college, because your players are younger and they aren't paid employees.

If he'd be willing to do it, he'd be a good hired gun. Maybe Name-Brand Jeff Fischer. Come in, install some culture, maybe make the playoffs, and then swap to someone else.

 

[tynimiller]

There is no other coach I'd want to hire right now over MLF, mainly because I just don't think it is the right time to do so....BUT if Mike Tomlin would pick up shop and come I'd drive right to MLF's office and pack it up myself today yet.

 

[gopkrs]

My lack of confidence in his choices of coaches is what bothers me. I've never heard of a GM calling the shots on who the coordinators and assistant coaches are and so I believe they are all hired by LaFlower. Why doesn't he give Stenavich at least a chance to call some plays? He is not doing so hot. Is it lack of confidence in his O coord.? Can his O line coach be any good at all? It just seems such a mess and it starts with LaFlower. Why did it take so long to finally get a decent ST coach? I think he could take care of these problems? if he would not spend so much time on play calling and look at the team as a whole. But does he have the guts to make the hard calls?

 

[Packerbacker1996]

While I would probably be in the head of the line to say that I think Kirk Cousins is a totally under-rated QB, no way am I locking big money up in a guy that might not be able to play again. If he can, how will the achilles effect his play? The answers to those questions would probably be unknown, by the time free agency comes around. Plus, I am not ready to give up on Love.

Yes sir. Cousins is merely 1 option. Keeping Love for second full season whole building O-Line and maybe a Vet WR&TE is another and see how things shake out

 

[Schultz]

Yes. Also he’s near our age limit at the position of 30 years old. Which is an area we tend to look for their successor. We got him for nothing and got 2 years usage.

I’ve seen some others’ complaints about losing the earlier 5th. On the surface that’s true. However we need to remember there’s zero added compensatory selections on the board before that Buffalo pick. There could be a bunch of 3rd and 4th Round compensatory selections between Buffalo 3rd and our previously held Round 5 natural. If we want a 5th Rounder back? work a slight trade back. We’d still have an earlier 4th and recoup. It’s easier to trade back than it is to move up imo. There’s always a few later 3rd Rounders (our pick) that had no business slipping past Round 2. By Round 5 that draft board is like a Yard sale that started at 7am and we showed up at 1:30pm. I’m not saying it’s bare, but it’s pretty picked over by pick 150 overall

Everything you said above is true. Very true. I can only speak for me (and a friend) when I commented on us getting a late 3rd and giving up an early 5th it was in response to a post that read we got a 3rd for Rasul. Now since you did not mention me by name, something I have been told I have been recently admonished for then, maybe you didn't mean me. In that case please disregard everything I just posted.

 

[Schultz]

I think the Packers like what they see in Carrington Valentine, so trading Douglas was a way to keep getting him snaps, especially after Stokes comes back.

I have also not been very impressed with Nixon this season. Maybe some of that is his drop off in return yards and decisions (don't keep taking it out of the EZ!), but I also don't view him as a quality starting CB.

I am on the record of not being as enthusiastic as most were about his return abilities. There is plenty of football left for him to prove me wrong. Her's to hoping he does.

 

[OldSchool101]

This also sets Barry up to get the boot at seasons end.

Can we trade Barry for a 3rd Rounder?
Maybe package Barry with Savage?
Idk

 

[OldSchool101]

I am on the record of not being as enthusiastic as most were about his return abilities. There is plenty of football left for him to prove me wrong. Her's to hoping he does.

You’re way to optimistic Schultz

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Can we trade Barry for a 3rd Rounder?
Maybe package Barry with Savage?
Idk

We might have to Give Barry and a 3rd rounder to get a 4th rounder back.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

I'm not convinced Harbaugh can sustain his success at the Pro Level. By all impressions, he's a hard-*** and his approach wears on grown men. You can get away with that in college, because your players are younger and they aren't paid employees.

If he'd be willing to do it, he'd be a good hired gun. Maybe Name-Brand Jeff Fischer. Come in, install some culture, maybe make the playoffs, and then swap to someone else.

Oh **** no on Jeff Fischer. That guy is effing turrible.

 

[mradtke66]

Oh **** no on Jeff Fischer. That guy is effing turrible.

No, I don't want Jeff either.

I am saying Jeff Fischer is Store Brand. Michigan Harbaugh is Name Brand Jeff Fischer. They are they same style of coaches--stablizing. Able to instill discipline. Able to correct a losing culture.

Those kind of coaches have value, but they aren't long-term pro coaches. Their structure is too much and too rah-rah to work over the long haul.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I swear, some fans want to change HC's like underwear. MLF took over a team that went 6-9-1 and turned them into winners and a 13-3 record (2019). He followed that up with 2 more 13 win seasons. After that, the Packers lost some top players, including a HOF QB and here we are. Bill Belichick or any other coach for that matter, couldn't turn this roster into a winning team.

Start with the DC, evaluate Love and move forward. Switching HC's from one that has had a ton of success, just to switch coaches, isn't the answer IMO, it's a knee jerk reaction to a very young roster.