Rams might be overrated.

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No problem the Vikes are a quality team, I think much more talented overall than the Chiefs, so in my opinion, maybe a better win for the Rams. They are going to be tough, but we can win, just have to keep mistakes to a minimum and take advantage of theirs. Should be a great game.

I think your points are relevant.
I don't think there is a single team in the league that is "much more talented" than KC. Arguably the most impressive young QB going. A top 5 RB in Hunt and he is starting to catch a lot of balls out of the BF which is scary. The backup, Ware, is a proven pro than can go for 100 any given game if given the touches. Kelce is arguably the best TE in the league. Tyreke Hill is the best vertical threat in the game. Sammy Watkins may not have turned into what we all expected him to be but he is productive nonetheless. The OL is no worse than top 10 and some would argue top 5. Defensively they don't have the same level of firepower but that have plenty of guys that make splash plays like Houston, Berry (stud when healthy), Jones, Ford, Ragland, Parker etc. Top to bottom I think KC is as good as any other team in the league.

Side note: Am I the only one that dreams of having a guy like Reid call plays for AR? Scary.
 

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While I tend to agree with you on the "hopefulness" of this statement, my issue is we really haven't seen the team play collectively well for a full game in a long time. So one has to ask themselves, is that on coaching or ...... do we just not have enough talent to be a top 10 team? Also, given that our production on both sides of the ball is so sporadic, its hardly the formula that makes for a good playoff team.
Past is past, but this year

Our Oline is good enough. We've had rough spots, we've had some re-arranging a couple games. I know, i know other teams deal with it, usually not well. How many snaps of the Rams offensive line missed from starters? Heck, how many snaps of any starters on the Rams offense missed this year? It matters.

our Rb's are all plenty good enough. We have a nice rotations. Circumstances and suspensions etc have hindered it a bit early on, but if I had to win a super bowl with Jones, Williams and monty, I think we could do it.

Pass catchers? Adams, Cobb, Allison, Jimmy and the rest. Good enough go far and win

QB? I think he's capable

On to the defense. New scheme and lots of young guys. So it's different than plugging in a rookie DB next to an established defense. It's different for everyone. There will be mistakes. We've seen them. We've also seen them force a lot of 3 and outs too. there are pieces there. I'm not going to break it all down by position. We all know what it is. Weak at OLB and safety. I "think" they can get enough stops against anyone to win. But it does mean our offense has to perform at the level they are capable of consistently.

anyway, this next month is going to tell us what this team is. And that's the way it should be. They haven't wow'd us, but I think they've shown us they can. Now they have to **** or get off the pot.
 
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My take on it is this. We have a team capable of making the playoffs but we’re somewhere between the 2008 and 2009 rebuild level (9-7 type play) Sure, we can put a short string together but we’re still largely non cohesive. We all saw that in the shut out and then the 500+ yard offensive performance a short while later.
On the other side of the equation, we very much have just enough talent to put a stellar game together but until we do that in consecutive weeks even the play calling will remain timid, so we’re holding ourselves back as much as we’re missing that 1-2 extra playmakers in each phase that would make us hard to beat.
Keep in mind from the perspective that we just recently moved forward with a new OC, GM and DC and it takes time to get on the same page. It is my opinion that while some teams will peak early.. our peak will much more likely happen towards the end of the regular season, if at all in 2018.
Right now it’s as much about mitigating damage to our division placing during this formidable road stretch.
I’d be pleased if we can go 1-1 between LA and NE, winning either game would go a long ways in building confidence with all these new moving parts. This year our goal should be to win our division. We can talk about all sorts of long range goals but that should be our focus and that part is entirely attainable, even for this relatively disjointed machine that’s still running a cylinder short of consistent.
 
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Just 5ossing this out there.

A while back, we were 2 and 3? And went to the 5 and 0 Texans.. No one gave have us a shot.

We won 42 to 24?
 
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Glad to see many fans are starting to realize HHCD is not very good. He plays in no-mans land where he is not a factor. Bad tackler, bad ball skills, and just get an INT when the balls are horribly over thrown into the black hole areas he's roaming in.

It's mostly the fans that have never taken a look at coaches film that believe Clinton-Dix isn't any good.

Our Oline is good enough. We've had rough spots, we've had some re-arranging a couple games. I know, i know other teams deal with it, usually not well. How many snaps of the Rams offensive line missed from starters? Heck, how many snaps of any starters on the Rams offense missed this year? It matters.

On to the defense. We've also seen them force a lot of 3 and outs too.

The Rams have definitely been extremely healthy on offense with Kupp being the only starter to have missed a game so far. He's listed doubtful for tomorrow as well.

It's interesting to note that the Packers defense ranks third in the league in three-and-outs forced on 27.9% of the drives.
 

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The problem for Clinton-Dix and fan opinion is that his worst plays (usually poor tackle attempts/broken tackles) are some of his most visibile, while most good safety play happens off screen on broadcast tape. And once fans decide that he stinks, they explain away the positive plays that actually are visible (e.g. “he just throws picks that are right to him”). I’m no expert and I certainly don’t think he’s the 3rd best safety in football, but he’s clearly at least a good starter. And more to the point, if you tried to replace his role on the back end in coverage with anyone else on the roster, it would be an unmitigated disaster.
 

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We could do much worse than HaHa. We could do better. I make no bones about it, I mostly dislike his cashing it in early last year and his comments this year. I get a sense he plays hard when he thinks it makes him look good.
 

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It's mostly the fans that have never taken a look at coaches film that believe Clinton-Dix isn't any good.

I will raise my hand and acknowledge that I am said fan. :)

Dix is the type of player that I see enough negative from that I forget why he is still out there and I fully admit that he is probably doing way more good things that I do not see. Perhaps similar to a player like Damarios Randall. I may **** or moan about this player or that player being let go or retained, but ultimately I recognize that it is the coaches and Gute that have far more information and knowledge of said player than I do, to make the proper decisions.
 
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Dix is the type of player that I see enough negative from that I forget why he is still out there and I fully admit that he is probably doing way more good things that I do not see.
Unless you're scouring the all-22 coaches tape, at Game Pass for example, a high safety is certainly doing a lot of things you don't see.

High safeties simply don't appear on the broadcast screen unless the ball is thrown downfield, and even then you don't see what the guy was doing before the ball arrives, whether he was working somebody else, the anticipation, the adjustment, the closing speed and angle. Sometimes you get an end zone or all-22 replay that might show that, but not very often.

So, how might we square the C-D PFF grade of 87.7 ("high quality", 2.3 points shy of elite) with an eye test that includes some missed tackles and maybe a blown red zone coverage (though that one might have been on King stopping short)? Perhaps it has to do with all the plays where teams do not throw in his direction. Does the eye test say opponents have not thrown much in his direction or avoided going over the top against his high coverage? I believe that's the case. Does that get you all the way to that PFF grade? Probably not, but it just might tell you "why he is still out there".

There was some resentment expressed toward C-D recently because of his comments to the affect that he does not expect to be in Green Bay next season,“That’s how I look at it. I just be honest with myself." I think some people took that as a desire to leave. I did not read that in his comments. It's equally likely that the Packers have made a low ball extension offer or have refused to negotiate at all with a luke warm, "we'll see where we're at after the season". It would hardly be the first time, with circustances in recent years ranging from Woodson given no offer at all when he went back to Oakland, according to his telling, up to Nelson offered only the vet minimum according to some reports, and in between other luke warm attempts to re-sign players.

Will C-D be offered more than he's worth by some other team while the Packers refuse to enter into the auction or enter a low ball bid? That's certainly possible. But is that C-D's problem? Certainly not.

Regardless, one would hope his expectation that he'll be gone should not color assessment of his play.

Should he have said that stuff to the press? It's not a good look. It is a way of saying to other teams, "be thinking about me in your plans", so there is an understandable if somewhat unseemly point to it.
 
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The drive by “disagree” button with no comment... on a forum... is hysterical.
 
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As for the OP, the preseason pundit assessment that this Rams defense is "loaded" or "dominant" or choose your own like adjective. That has not panned out on the field so far.

7-0 is impressive no matter how you do it, but I have to say watching some, not a lot, of the Rams play, this team is not on a par with last season's Philly team at this stage. There is a noticeable gap. Philly looked like the real deal on both sides of the ball, the clear favorite by some margin. The Rams might get there, but they are not there yet to my eye. They're gettable if the Packers play at the high end of realistic potential.
 
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Side note: Am I the only one that dreams of having a guy like Reid call plays for AR? Scary.
Andy Reid is the beneficiary of a bounty of young, highly talented offensive skill players that were drafted under John Dorsey's general management, a guy Reid worked to get fired after the 2017 draft getting more control over personnel decisions.

At the same time, reports indicated that the nature of the infighting revolved around Dorsey letting Jamaal Charles and Jeremy Macklin hit the bricks, guys Reid wanted to keep.

While Dorsey's record in KC is hardly spotless (Bowe and Hali contracts for example), the current KC offense has Dorsey's stamp all over it.

So, is it the play calling or is it the bounty of offensive talent? And how good is Reid as an assessor of talent? Things are not always as they superficially appear.
 

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The drive by “disagree” button with no comment... on a forum... is hysterical.
I hate that disagree button. There can be three or four points in a given post, so you can't always tell what exactly the person is disagreeing with.
 

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I hate that disagree button. There can be three or four points in a given post, so you can't always tell what exactly the person is disagreeing with.

I don't really care if people use it, I just wish they would then quote the post and explain what they disagree with. The whole point of a forum is conversation.
 
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I hate that disagree button. There can be three or four points in a given post, so you can't always tell what exactly the person is disagreeing with.
I think you have to believe the person means "all of it", same as when they hit "agree".
 

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I saw some tape on brice and on madden this dude awareness would be at 30. The tape was really bad his reaction time to plays is VERY SLOW. like he shouldnt be in the league type of slow.
 
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I saw some tape on brice and on madden this dude awareness would be at 30. The tape was really bad his reaction time to plays is VERY SLOW. like he shouldnt be in the league type of slow.
"Madden"? You mean the video game "Madden"? Do you really want to cite that as a source?

As for the tape, I half agree. When he comes up and attacks the ball or ball carrier in strong safety mode he looks pretty decent. Playing the back end? His recongnition and ball tracking is not very good. What are his ball skills like in "Madden"? ;)
 

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"Madden"? You mean the video game "Madden"? Do you really want to cite that as a source?

As for the tape, I half agree. When he comes up and attacks the ball or ball carrier in strong safety mode he looks pretty decent. Playing the back end? His recongnition and ball tracking is not very good. What are his ball skills like in "Madden"? ;)

Im saying madden jokingly, also I think a lot of guys tend to forget this is the NFL this is not college or Hight school ball, you get very limited chances in the NFL and brice is looking really bad.
 

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As for the OP, the preseason pundit assessment that this Rams defense is "loaded" or "dominant" or choose your own like adjective. That has not panned out on the field so far.

7-0 is impressive no matter how you do it, but I have to say watching some, not a lot, of the Rams play, this team is not on a par with last season's Philly team at this stage. There is a noticeable gap. Philly looked like the real deal on both sides of the ball, the clear favorite by some margin. The Rams might get there, but they are not there yet to my eye. They're gettable if the Packers play at the high end of realistic potential.

That is the problem the way a lot of people see it. Few people are saying they don't have a chance but pretty much everyone is saying that they will have to play at a level we really haven't seen yet this year and are not 100% certain they are capable of. I don't disagree with that statement but it certainly doesn't instill a lot of confidence.
 

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"Madden"? You mean the video game "Madden"? Do you really want to cite that as a source?

As for the tape, I half agree. When he comes up and attacks the ball or ball carrier in strong safety mode he looks pretty decent. Playing the back end? His recongnition and ball tracking is not very good. What are his ball skills like in "Madden"? ;)

I don't think he is citing as a source I think he is saying based on tape he has seen IF he was on Madden his rating would be that low
 

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I hate that disagree button. There can be three or four points in a given post, so you can't always tell what exactly the person is disagreeing with.


Sorry, I don't really but you had to know someone would do it. I almost didn't post an explanation to see how many people would get but they would just disagree with me anyway.
 

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I don’t know if they are overrated, we went up against a heavyweight and lost, last week 2 weeks ago we up against a light weight and almost lost, the Rams did what the Packers did to win even if it wasn’t impressive......
 

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