Projecting the 53 Man Roster

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don’t see J’Mon on the 53, barring a miracle in the last two games. As for Summers, they may have to gibe him a roster spot of Burks is out.

Well I think and I could be wrong, they have to give Burks a roster spot and then either keep him on it, if he is coming back sooner than later or put him on IR. But yes, unless they start sighing other ILB's, Summers almost has to be kept just for depth.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well I think and I could be wrong, they have to give Burks a roster spot and then either keep him on it, if he is coming back sooner than later or put him on IR. But yes, unless they start sighing other ILB's, Summers almost has to be kept just for depth.

You’re right. To protect Burks, they’ll have to keep him on the 53 and then play him or put him on some form of IR.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You’re right. To protect Burks, they’ll have to keep him on the 53 and then play him or put him on some form of IR.

If I understand it correctly, if they IR him before the 53, he is done for the season and also doesn't count against the cap. But for him to come back, he has to be on the 53, then put on IR (no designation required anymore) and he can come back after 8 weeks. If that happens, his salary counts against the cap.

Given that Burks injury didn't require surgery and Doctors gave the Packers a pretty optimistic outlook, I am guessing that he is on the 53 and will only be put on IR if the healing process is 7+ weeks out.

Whatever the case might be, I sure wouldn't depend on him being that much of an impact player if and when he comes back.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Even with Burks, ILB is a problem area that needs upgrading. I'd be shocked and disappointed if Gute doesn't add a veteren at the end of camp.

 

[PackFan2]

Even with Burks, ILB is a problem area that needs upgrading. I'd be shocked and disappointed if Gute doesn't add a veteren at the end of camp.

100% Agree^ like what Pokerbrat said in the Ravens chumps and dump thread. Sure, the rook ILBs look decent (as much as I'm rooting for Bolton) but we need a proven vet. If Martinez goes down.. we will be in big trouble. If anything at least have a vet to start the season and slowly intergrate in the two rooks. Maybe after the roster cut downs..?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Adams has some good things to say about Lazard and Shepherd. I really think one, if not both are possibly going to make this team. Davis not being able to play and prove himself (as a WR) is slowly dropping him down the depth chart.

Davante Adams on Shepherd/Lazard: I love those guys. They make my job as a leader easy. Some of the best ones on the team as far as how they get into their book & go about their business. 'Shep' literally knows protections that I don't know. It just shows some of the edge he has"

 

[PackFan2]

Adams has some good things to say about Lazard and Shepherd. I really think one, if not both are possibly going to make this team. Davis not being able to play and prove himself (as a WR) is slowly dropping him down the depth chart.

Davante Adams on Shepherd/Lazard: I love those guys. They make my job as a leader easy. Some of the best ones on the team as far as how they get into their book & go about their business. 'Shep' literally knows protections that I don't know. It just shows some of the edge he has"

Loving how Lazard and Shep have shown up. I think people have Dexter Williams in as a lock in the RB battles. 'Hot take'.. think Dex is gonna be on the practice squad.. I personally think the Packers might keep two FBs with Vitale playing more RB. Sternberger could go on IR with designated return.

 

[PackFan2]

JMon is such a head scratcher.. Sure he's athletic, so what? It's not showing up on the field. Yes, he's a 4th rounder but I'm done with him. jMon is not James Jones, Nelson or Davante Adams. Yes J.J, Nelson Nd Adams had their fair share of focused drops as rooks and their sophomore year but the three showed POTENTIAL and showed they corrected those mistakes. They also shined bright under pressure (Miami game winning drive with Adams was a thing of beauty). If not for the 4th round we invest in Moore, we might not even be talking bout him. #idkhowtofeelbouthim

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Loving how Lazard and Shep have shown up. I think people have Dexter Williams in as a lock in the RB battles. 'Hot take'.. think Dex is gonna be on the practice squad.. I personally think the Packers might keep two FBs with Vitale playing more RB. Sternberger could go on IR with designated return.

I doubt they keep 2 FB's on the 53, unless Vitale can't come back until week 2-3. Bohanon or Johnson should easily slide to the PS. Also, they don't have to put a guy on IR designated to return anymore. If a player is IR'd after initially being on the 53, they can be brought back after 6 weeks. But each team can only do that with 2 players.

 

[gopkrs]

I don’t see J’Mon on the 53, barring a miracle in the last two games. As for Summers, they may have to gibe him a roster spot of Burks is out.

Man, I don't think so. The guy cannot tackle. And it may be a strength thing.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Right. You might say he and J'Mon Moore are in the same league. One can't hang on to a ball and the other can't hang on to a tackle.

Well, at least Moore can practice to catch the ball during camp.

I think Shephard has shown enough to replace Davis on the 53. I know it’s the preseason, but when he isn’t injured, all Davis can do is return kicks. He’s not THAT good to devote a roster spot.

Davis reportedly improved significantly as a receiver this offseason. If he can't get healthy fast he's definitely in danger of not making the roster though.

If I understand it correctly, if they IR him before the 53, he is done for the season and also doesn't count against the cap. But for him to come back, he has to be on the 53, then put on IR (no designation required anymore) and he can come back after 8 weeks. If that happens, his salary counts against the cap.

I believe Burks salary will count against the Packers cap no matter what.

Sternberger could go on IR with designated return.

I don't think Sternberger's injury is bad enough for him to land on injured reserve.

 

[mradtke66]

I believe Burks salary will count against the Packers cap no matter what.
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This is my understanding as well. Contracts count, period.

The only out is split-value contracts, which old veterans and other journeymen get (possibly guys on rookie deals.) Basically, Stars don't get split-value contracts, everyone else could.

A split value contract, using nice round numbers, is something like "We'll pay you $1,000,000 a year. If you go on IR, we'll reduce that by 1/2." Or a 1/3. Etc. But per game. Again using round numbers, if a player plays 8 games, they'd earn $500,000. And then going to IR for the remaining 8, they would only get $250,000 for the balance of the season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This is my understanding as well. Contracts count, period.

The only out is split-value contracts, which old veterans and other journeymen get (possibly guys on rookie deals.) Basically, Stars don't get split-value contracts, everyone else could.

A split value contract, using nice round numbers, is something like "We'll pay you $1,000,000 a year. If you go on IR, we'll reduce that by 1/2." Or a 1/3. Etc. But per game. Again using round numbers, if a player plays 8 games, they'd earn $500,000. And then going to IR for the remaining 8, they would only get $250,000 for the balance of the season.

I think that is correct and if you look at some of the players contracts they have a "per game bonus". I believe those bonuses are lost by the player if they are on IR. Also, the player would lose any performance bonuses that couldn't be achieved while being on IR.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The only out is split-value contracts, which old veterans and other journeymen get (possibly guys on rookie deals.) Basically, Stars don't get split-value contracts, everyone else could.

As far as I know players being put on the exempt list don't count against the salary cap.

I think that is correct and if you look at some of the players contracts they have a "per game bonus". I believe those bonuses are lost by the player if they are on IR. Also, the player would lose any performance bonuses that couldn't be achieved while being on IR.

Actually players not being active for a game don't earn per game bonuses either.

 

[Heyjoe4]

If I understand it correctly, if they IR him before the 53, he is done for the season and also doesn't count against the cap. But for him to come back, he has to be on the 53, then put on IR (no designation required anymore) and he can come back after 8 weeks. If that happens, his salary counts against the cap.

Given that Burks injury didn't require surgery and Doctors gave the Packers a pretty optimistic outlook, I am guessing that he is on the 53 and will only be put on IR if the healing process is 7+ weeks out.

Whatever the case might be, I sure wouldn't depend on him being that much of an impact player if and when he comes back.

Thanks Poker. Well, here’s hoping Summers can step up and help out an already thin ILB group. Fortunately, the other groups on D all look pretty good - best I’ve seen in many years.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Thanks Poker. Well, here’s hoping Summers can step up and help out an already thin ILB group. Fortunately, the other groups on D all look pretty good - best I’ve seen in many years.

I am starting to think this scouting report on Summers was pretty accurate and why he was still around in the 7th round. Now maybe the coaches can fix it, but if he can't tackle, he really is not a guy you want on defense or special teams.

Weaknesses

• Movement skills on tape don't match workout numbers
• Lateral agility and change of direction is just average
• Below average as open-field tackler Hangs back waiting to bang with lineman rather than attacking downhill
• Too much reading and not enough reacting
• Comes off the field on passing down

 

[Heyjoe4]

I am starting to think this scouting report on Summers was pretty accurate and why he was still around in the 7th round. Now maybe the coaches can fix it, but if he can't tackle, he really is not a guy you want on defense or special teams.

Weaknesses

• Movement skills on tape don't match workout numbers
• Lateral agility and change of direction is just average
• Below average as open-field tackler Hangs back waiting to bang with lineman rather than attacking downhill
• Too much reading and not enough reacting
• Comes off the field on passing down

Yeah he was juked 4 or 5 times in the Texas game. Hope that’s fixable, but the D overall is weak on tackling, the stuff they teach when you’re 14 years old..........

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah he was juked 4 or 5 times in the Texas game. Hope that’s fixable, but the D overall is weak on tackling, the stuff they teach when you’re 14 years old..........

Yeah, I think the guy has potential and appears to have a great football IQ, but has to figure out that the speed of the NFL is not the same as college ball. A year on the PS would do him some good. The fact that he is "next man up" behind UDFA Rookie Bolton is a bigger concern to me.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I hadn't seen Rodgers comments on Shepherd until this article. He seems to be the WR that is going to come out of nowhere and be on the 53. Solves 2 things, slot receiver as well as return man. If he does make the final 53, I doubt he starts, but the Packers may use him at WR more and more as the season progresses, especially if he is active for every game as the returner.

https://dairylandexpress.com/2019/08/19/green-bay-packers-darrius-shepherd-making-team/

 

[Heyjoe4]

I hadn't seen Rodgers comments on Shepherd until this article. He seems to be the WR that is going to come out of nowhere and be on the 53. Solves 2 things, slot receiver as well as return man. If he does make the final 53, I doubt he starts, but the Packers may use him at WR more and more as the season progresses, especially if he is active for every game as the returner.

https://dairylandexpress.com/2019/08/19/green-bay-packers-darrius-shepherd-making-team/

Shepherd makes a lot more sense than Davis. Even when Davis was healthy, he could not be counted on as a WR.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Shepherd makes a lot more sense than Davis. Even when Davis was healthy, he could not be counted on as a WR.

I feel the same way, but will trust the coaches with their decision.

Shepherd makes more sense to me if he truly is the better WR. So far he seems like a guy that has grasped the playbook, #12 trusts, is assignment sure and has shown he can catch the ball. As far as Davis VS Shepherd on returns. So far I have liked Shepherd's decisions more than I liked Davis's often indecisive nature. Davis might be more experienced and potentially could pick up a few more yards, but at this point I like everything else I have seen from Shepherd.

Could end up being:

1. Adams
2. MVS
3. Allison
4. Kumerow
5. EQB
6. Shepherd

I really like Lazard too, but if they can't keep 7 WR's due to the # of TE's and a FB, then Lazard might be the odd man out. I doubt it will happen, but I read one article that had Allison being traded last minute, Shepherd taking his spot in the slot and Lazard making the cut. A lot can happen between now and 8/31, so you just never know.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I feel the same way, but will trust the coaches with their decision.

Shepherd makes more sense to me if he truly is the better WR. So far he seems like a guy that has grasped the playbook, #12 trusts, is assignment sure and has shown he can catch the ball. As far as Davis VS Shepherd on returns. So far I have liked Shepherd's decisions more than I liked Davis's often indecisive nature. Davis might be more experienced and potentially could pick up a few more yards, but at this point I like everything else I have seen from Shepherd.

Could end up being:

1. Adams
2. MVS
3. Allison
4. Kumerow
5. EQB
6. Shepherd

I really like Lazard too, but if they can't keep 7 WR's due to the # of TE's and a FB, then Lazard might be the odd man out. I doubt it will happen, but I read one article that had Allison being traded last minute, Shepherd taking his spot in the slot and Lazard making the cut. A lot can happen between now and 8/31, so you just never know.

Well, they’ll keep a FB. They’ll also likely keep 3 TEs, with Graham being the only lock right now. By keeping the FB, I wouldn’t be surprised if Lewis is gone and they keep Graham, Tonyan, and Sternberger.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well, they’ll keep a FB. They’ll also likely keep 3 TEs, with Graham being the only lock right now. By keeping the FB, I wouldn’t be surprised if Lewis is gone and they keep Graham, Tonyan, and Sternberger.

Lewis is way too good of a blocker and that is what MLF's system is about, so unless he gets injured, I think he is in. They actually may end up keeping 4 TE's AND a FB, which is why I think only 6 WR's.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Lewis is way too good of a blocker and that is what MLF's system is about, so unless he gets injured, I think he is in. They actually may end up keeping 4 TE's AND a FB, which is why I think only 6 WR's.

That’s probably the way it shakes out, especially if they get the RBs more involved in the passing game.

 

[mradtke66]

As far as I know players being put on the exempt list don't count against the salary cap.

Now that's an interesting corner case, and likely correct. I wonder how that plays out, cap-wise, if the player were to then retire. How would the team be forced to account for that? Immediately? What if it happened after week 17--would the team be in immediate violation of the cap due a potential accelerated cap hit?