Post MM firing -- coaching search: who we want -- ALL threads merged

[Mondio]

But he's a USAA member for life, and that would be in direct competition with his star QB. I don't see it working out very well

 

[Dantés]

I remember the tie with the Vikings, 1978, 10-10. Fran Tarkenton threw 4 INT's, but, the Packers still couldn't get the win, so, the Vikes won the division tied with GB 8-7-1. Man, I hated that.

Anyway, Phil Simms (not a fan of his, just passing along this rumor) is saying that he knows for a fact that one team is preparing a financial offer to Jim Harbaugh that will get his attention, won't say which team. If true, it would have to be GB, NYJ or CLE? Got to be in the Gruden range of $10million/yr.?

When you look at what the Packers just gave Rodgers, it does make sense to get the one coach you really want and try for that Super Bowl while there is a small window for the rest of Rodgers' career. Why piddle around with some young hot shot you got no idea if can coach an NFL team? Jim Harbaugh can.

Is Mark Murphy getting ready to spend another $80/million or more for a HC?

I have been reticent to get behind Harbaugh, because it seems that he's a little nuts and burns out quickly wherever he goes. However, there's no denying what you've said-- the man can coach. And it also may be true that the situation in SF was rotten all the way through, and he merely got an outsized portion of the blame.

One thing that occurs to me is that Rodgers has somewhere around 3-5 good years left. So if Harbaugh doesn't last longer than that, does it really matter?

 

[AGreen2AJones]

Seems some people think John Harbaugh is the more likely Harbaugh:
https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay...Packers-head-coach-candidates-2019-125575982/

 

[GleefulGary]

Harbaugh would be good in so many ways. The entertainment factor would be large.

 

[Do7]

If John Harbaugh is indeed released, I would LOVE for us to go after him. Either him or Ron Rivera would be my preferences. We need a defensive mind coach imo.

 

[Heyjoe4]

If John Harbaugh is indeed released, I would LOVE for us to go after him. Either him or Ron Rivera would be my preferences. We need a defensive mind coach imo.

I agree that we need a HC with a strong background in defense. Pick an up and coming position coach for OC. I have no doubt that John Harbaugh and Pettine would put together a top 5 defense in a year or two. And with Rodgers’ experience, OC is not the pressing need. Finding a HC with some fire is the biggest priority.

 

[906Fan]

I don't think I would mind Rivera, his Panther teams are consistently good throughout the years.

If by consistent you mean only good in odd numbered years, and average in even numbered years. I think we could do a lot worse, he would be a safe unexciting choice.

 

[Dantés]

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If by consistent you mean only good in odd numbered years, and average in even numbered years. I think we could do a lot worse, he would be a safe unexciting choice.

To be fair, the defense there has been pretty consistent over the years. Newton and the offense is what has generally caused the fluctuation.

 

[Scotland Yard]

I have been reticent to get behind Harbaugh, because it seems that he's a little nuts and burns out quickly wherever he goes. However, there's no denying what you've said-- the man can coach. And it also may be true that the situation in SF was rotten all the way through, and he merely got an outsized portion of the blame.

One thing that occurs to me is that Rodgers has somewhere around 3-5 good years left. So if Harbaugh doesn't last longer than that, does it really matter?

Exactly my thinking. Whether it be one of the Harbaughs, Rivera, Ariens, Saban, etc., we are looking for someone that can come in and hit the ground running.

My guess is they want one of the Harbaughs, and failing that they go after Ariens or Rivera or perhaps Saban.

Saban is getting lambasted on these forums for his tenure with the Dolphins. However, Saban took a Dolphins team that was 4-12 in 2004 and got them to 9-7 in 2005 and beat three playoff teams that year in DEN, CAR & NE. Yeah, it fell apart in 2006. But, come on, management refused to sign Brees in early 2006 and instead traded for a washed up Culpepper for starting QB...what do you expect Saban to do with that situation? He walked away from a stupid front office that has been making bad moves ever since...good call if you ask me.

I'd take Saban as HC for the Packers in a heartbeat. Saban is 67 y.o., so, this might be his last shot at an NFL championship if he covets that.

I would also like to ask if anyone has the true information regarding buyouts for Jim Harbaugh and Nick Saban. Some reporters are mistakenly reporting that Saban's buyout is $33 million and Harbaugh's in the $20 million range, i.e., that they or their new employer (the Packers) would owe the university if they leave to coach the Packers or anywhere else. That is incorrect as I understand it. Those amounts are what the university would have to pay to Saban or Harbaugh if the university fires them without cause. The 'buyout' is the price the university pays to fire the HC prior to the expiration of the contract, period.

So far as I can tell, Harbaugh would only owe Michigan about $1 million if he accepted the Packers' head coaching position, a tidy sum the Packers could easily afford. Saban has usually been able to negotiate a contract that he can walk away from scot-free, so, again I believe the Packers could get him out of the Bama contract if they want to.

Bottom line, Harbaugh's making about $9 million/yr. and Saban a little less. If the Packers cough up $10 million/yr. or more they might lure one of these guys for a five year run.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

O.K., I'll explain. By using the phraseology "no reason to get worked up" you are insinuating that anyone who has stated they like Pettine and would like to see him retained is "worked up", i.e., being emotional or perhaps illogical, fretting about something unimportant.

Therefore it comes across to me that you feel yourself to be the intellectual, talking down to the rest of the "worked up" posters who are apparently worrying about triviality.

I love it being analyzed by a random dude based on stuff posted on the internet But let me rephrase my thoughts on Pettine so you can have an easier time dealing with it.

Pettine has done a good job as the Packers defensive coordinator this season but if the new head coach wants to hire another DC the team shouldn't be opposed to the idea as Pettine hasn't been able to feature an elite unit.

Would Joe Lombardi, Vince Lombardi's grandson son make a good head coach?

I don't know much about him except he's Vince's grandson

Lombardi has done a pretty good job as the Saints quarterback coach in two stints with the team but struggled as the Lions offensive coordinator. I don't expect the Packers to consider him for the head coaching vacancy.

I remember the tie with the Vikings, 1978, 10-10. Fran Tarkenton threw 4 INT's, but, the Packers still couldn't get the win, so, the Vikes won the division tied with GB 8-7-1. Man, I hated that.

Anyway, Phil Simms (not a fan of his, just passing along this rumor) is saying that he knows for a fact that one team is preparing a financial offer to Jim Harbaugh that will get his attention, won't say which team. If true, it would have to be GB, NYJ or CLE? Got to be in the Gruden range of $10million/yr.?

When you look at what the Packers just gave Rodgers, it does make sense to get the one coach you really want and try for that Super Bowl while there is a small window for the rest of Rodgers' career. Why piddle around with some young hot shot you got no idea if can coach an NFL team? Jim Harbaugh can.

Is Mark Murphy getting ready to spend another $80/million or more for a HC?

I'm convinced the Packers won't throw ridiculous money at Harbaugh to lure him away from Michigan.

And with Rodgers’ experience, OC is not the pressing need.

The Packers definitely need an innovative offensive coordinator being able to successfully working with Rodgers.

 

[Stanger37]

Those Dolphin days were not so good.

I think he works out great as a college coach, he holds all the power and the kids are all there in hopes of an NFL career. He has somewhat of a leeway of talking to them how he wants to. If he lays into a pro linebacker making more than he does that is established in the league, I don't know how well that would work out.

 

[Mondio]

I’m sure Saban is a fine coach, but I’m not terribly impressed with winning that much in college when you have the best players in the nation 3 deep sometimes at important positions. He wouldn’t have that luxury in the nfl.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I’m sure Saban is a fine coach, but I’m not terribly impressed with winning that much in college when you have the best players in the nation 3 deep sometimes at important positions. He wouldn’t have that luxury in the nfl.

I don't really follow Saban much, but I do follow the Buckeyes and Urban Meyers. Much of their "coaching talent" is hidden within their and their schools incredible ability to recruit talent. As a result, you are correct with talent on these teams going very deep into the Bench. The Buckeyes can seamlessly slip a 3rd stringer in and not only do you not see much of a drop in play, that third stringer is probably a high pick in the draft several years later. So I agree, you have to be careful with College coaches and players for that matter, from these ultra successful programs.

 

[Half Empty]

Any college coaches doing really well at schools that can't recruit the 5-stars?

 

[Southside]

Speaking of college coaches, the Packers may want to at least interview this guy. He's 54 and a hugely successful coach. And not a big mouthed know it all. Knows how to build an organization and a team. University of Washington coach Chris Petersen. I think he's making around 4.5 million per year. I'm not sure as with many college coaches that it would be easy for the Packers to sign him. So many of the college guys have really good things going for them.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I don't really follow Saban much, but I do follow the Buckeyes and Urban Meyers. Much of their "coaching talent" is hidden within their and their schools incredible ability to recruit talent. As a result, you are correct with talent on these teams going very deep into the Bench. The Buckeyes can seamlessly slip a 3rd stringer in and not only do you not see much of a drop in play, that third stringer is probably a high pick in the draft several years later. So I agree, you have to be careful with College coaches and players for that matter, from these ultra successful programs.

Yeah IMO coaching in college and in the NFL are night and day. As you note, the best programs are 2 to 3 deep at positions, certainly not true in the NFL with the cap to consider. I haven’t thought much about who GB should pursue. I’ll wait until the season plays out. But taking a HC straight from the NCAA with no NFL experience........ I’ll pass on that.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think he works out great as a college coach, he holds all the power and the kids are all there in hopes of an NFL career. He has somewhat of a leeway of talking to them how he wants to. If he lays into a pro linebacker making more than he does that is established in the league, I don't know how well that would work out.

That’s why I’m not crazy about recruiting a coach who has only coached at the college level. “Able to handle prima donnas” is probably one of the job requirements for an NFL HC.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That’s why I’m not crazy about recruiting a coach who has only coached at the college level. “Able to handle prima donnas” is probably one of the job requirements for an NFL HC.

Oh the college coaches have to handle Prima Donnas too and some do a very good job with it. Matter of fact, I think the "star players" probably get a lot more preferential treatment on a college team than they should expect to get in the NFL.

 

[Southside]

The Packers have stated they are not going to hire a coach with a big ego. That leaves Jimmy Harbaugh out of the running. Plus, he probably is staying at Michigan. A couple other guys being mentioned are also eliminated due to egos.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Packers have stated they are not going to hire a coach with a big ego. That leaves Jimmy Harbaugh out of the running. Plus, he probably is staying at Michigan. A couple other guys being mentioned are also eliminated due to egos.

Well before you start adding or subtracting candidates, you might want to be sure that your definition of "big ego" is the same as that of the Green Bay Packers. No matter what we have read, heard, discussed, I think Gute is going to hire someone that he and Murphy like and can spin that anyway they decide.

 

[Southside]

I'm subtracting him due to his ego. You can spin it anyway you want, but Jim Harbaugh has a huge ego. That's well known. Ask 49er fans and management. If you don't know that then you do not know much about the guy. He has n0 chance of ever coaching the Packers. Zip, Zero, Nada.

 

[Dantés]

So now we're not just over analyzing Murphy's comments to snipe at each other-- we are actually using them to scratch off candidates' names. Brilliant.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I'm subtracting him due to his ego. You can spin it anyway you want, but Jim Harbaugh has a huge ego. That's well known. Ask 49er fans and management. If you don't know that then you do not know much about the guy. He has n0 chance of ever coaching the Packers. Zip, Zero, Nada.

Yeah, a my way or the highway approach can work good in some instances or on some teams where perhaps a change in culture and a HC who is looking to eradicate laziness out of there. But here in Green Bay that's likely to fracture in particular between him and Rodgers. Plus I think our next HC needs to be a bit more even keeled.

The ego part would definitely eliminate McDaniels from the picks too cuz that's what he is.

My preference would definitely be to hire within the current nfl ranks because you got too many college coaches who come in and just are at too much of a disconnect when it comes to adapting to the league.

 

[Mondio]

Either end of the spectrum can work, and do can anything else in between. There’s enough pros and cons to each way I’m not going to pretend to know which one will work better in this situation

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So now we're not just over analyzing Murphy's comments to snipe at each other-- we are actually using them to scratch off candidates' names. Brilliant.

Come on man, when has anyone in here ever over analyzed anything having to do with the Packers?