Peterson.....

[longtimefan]

So when he ends up falling flat in NO do we get to create a thread calling you out?

Or do we move on?

(PS you should probably wait till a games been played before attempting an "I told you so post)

SB are won in 1st ota

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And interestingly, the Saints run from under center much more often than the NFL average.

I'm sorry but I made a mistake in my earlier post about the topic as I used numbers from pass attempts only. Still, the Packers lined up their quarterback in the shotgun on 74.7% of the offensive snaps last season. As a comparison the Saints used the QB under center on 46% of the snaps.

 

[jakemillar]

I'm new to these boards as this is my first post (hey guys), but IMO Montgomery's skill set as a feature back with Williams to compliment that, in Green Bay's offense, along with the additions of Kendricks & Bennett really give Rodgers & McCarthy the ability to come out in seemingly run oriented personnel groups and create mismatches in the passing game. New England has wreaked havoc in recent years with their 12 personnel groupings (1 back, 2 tight ends) being flexible enough to come out in such personnel groupings but flex everyone out into empty formations, forcing LBs out into space and/or CBs inside. Aaron Rodgers will be drooling over mismatches like this.

The addition of Adrian Peterson IMO doesn't fit the make up of the offense, and if you're looking at Peterson specifically he is almost exclusively a run-from-under-center type of runner and he always has been. Although his abilities are great for what he does, that style doesn't fit Green Bay's offense.

I'm totally expecting Montgomery to surprise a lot of Packers fans this season, given a whole off season to work specifically at running back. His ability to get tough yards + his pass catching ability make him realistically the perfect RB in todays NFL.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

The "so" has to happen before you can tell us it.

I have been saying it before the vikes released him... figure that one out...

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

So when he ends up falling flat in NO do we get to create a thread calling you out?

Or do we move on?

(PS you should probably wait till a games been played before attempting an "I told you so post)

Please call it. I ,unlike many here. Have no problem being wrong sometimes...

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

While I agree that Thompson should have been more aggressive in trying to acquire a #1 cornerback as well as adding veteran depth at outside linebacker it's extremely tough to find a player as talented as Woodson or a dominant edge rusher.

Revis is still available...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Revis is still available...

As you certainly know by now I'm not interested in the Packers signing Revis either.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

As you certainly know by now I'm not interested in the Packers signing Revis either.

You want to judge Revis based on last season alone. Yet he was arguable the most dominant cb in the league before that. Dominant enough to get 18 mil a year....
You cant tell me he isn't capable of contributing. And I strongly believe he still has the ability to be dominant. Just wasn't motivated on a horrible dead end jets team who's fans and front office turned on him. Fans wanting Revis island to single handed win games, and the front office wanting their 18 mil back to get a qb... needless to say, 38 yr old mccown is the jets front runner to start at qb.... and you wonder why Revis didn't play hard to keep his job?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You want to judge Revis based on last season alone. Yet he was arguable the most dominant cb in the league before that. Dominant enough to get 18 mil a year....
You cant tell me he isn't capable of contributing. And I strongly believe he still has the ability to be dominant. Just wasn't motivated on a horrible dead end jets team who's fans and front office turned on him. Fans wanting Revis island to single handed win games, and the front office wanting their 18 mil back to get a qb... needless to say, 38 yr old mccown is the jets front runner to start at qb.... and you wonder why Revis didn't play hard to keep his job?

I would like the Packers to sign Revis in a heartbeat if he was still in his prime. Unfortunately it seems age has caught up to him and therefore there's no reason for Thompson to bring him in.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I would like the Packers to sign Revis in a heartbeat if he was still in his prime. Unfortunately it seems age has caught up to him and therefore there's no reason for Thompson to bring him in.

Revis is 32 this year if I remember right... odds are he still has plenty to offer...

Maybe I should start a Revis thread. Lol

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Revis is 32 this year if I remember right... odds are he still has plenty to offer...

Taking into consideration the way Revis performed last season I don't agree with that evaluation.

 

[Dantés]

I'm new to these boards as this is my first post (hey guys), but IMO Montgomery's skill set as a feature back with Williams to compliment that, in Green Bay's offense, along with the additions of Kendricks & Bennett really give Rodgers & McCarthy the ability to come out in seemingly run oriented personnel groups and create mismatches in the passing game. New England has wreaked havoc in recent years with their 12 personnel groupings (1 back, 2 tight ends) being flexible enough to come out in such personnel groupings but flex everyone out into empty formations, forcing LBs out into space and/or CBs inside. Aaron Rodgers will be drooling over mismatches like this.

The addition of Adrian Peterson IMO doesn't fit the make up of the offense, and if you're looking at Peterson specifically he is almost exclusively a run-from-under-center type of runner and he always has been. Although his abilities are great for what he does, that style doesn't fit Green Bay's offense.

I'm totally expecting Montgomery to surprise a lot of Packers fans this season, given a whole off season to work specifically at running back. His ability to get tough yards + his pass catching ability make him realistically the perfect RB in todays NFL.

Welcome. I totally agree with you. 12 personnel with Nelson, Adams, Bennett, Kendricks, and Montgomery should be very hard to defend because of the run/pass versatility.

 

[Dantés]

I'm sorry but I made a mistake in my earlier post about the topic as I used numbers from pass attempts only. Still, the Packers lined up their quarterback in the shotgun on 74.7% of the offensive snaps last season. As a comparison the Saints used the QB under center on 46% of the snaps.

I'll let it go this one time. But you're on notice.

 

[gbgary]

peterson schmeterson

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

peterson schmeterson

Lol. You are also the winner!
And after some thought. I agree. Peterson schmeterson!
Forward

 

[Sky King]

I'm new to these boards as this is my first post (hey guys), but IMO Montgomery's skill set as a feature back with Williams to compliment that, in Green Bay's offense, along with the additions of Kendricks & Bennett really give Rodgers & McCarthy the ability to come out in seemingly run oriented personnel groups and create mismatches in the passing game. New England has wreaked havoc in recent years with their 12 personnel groupings (1 back, 2 tight ends) being flexible enough to come out in such personnel groupings but flex everyone out into empty formations, forcing LBs out into space and/or CBs inside. Aaron Rodgers will be drooling over mismatches like this.

The addition of Adrian Peterson IMO doesn't fit the make up of the offense, and if you're looking at Peterson specifically he is almost exclusively a run-from-under-center type of runner and he always has been. Although his abilities are great for what he does, that style doesn't fit Green Bay's offense.

I'm totally expecting Montgomery to surprise a lot of Packers fans this season, given a whole off season to work specifically at running back. His ability to get tough yards + his pass catching ability make him realistically the perfect RB in todays NFL.

Nice post. Welcome aboard!

 

[Sky King]

The Peterson I most prefer to see in Green Bay:

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[GreenBaySlacker]

I'm new to these boards as this is my first post (hey guys), but IMO Montgomery's skill set as a feature back with Williams to compliment that, in Green Bay's offense, along with the additions of Kendricks & Bennett really give Rodgers & McCarthy the ability to come out in seemingly run oriented personnel groups and create mismatches in the passing game. New England has wreaked havoc in recent years with their 12 personnel groupings (1 back, 2 tight ends) being flexible enough to come out in such personnel groupings but flex everyone out into empty formations, forcing LBs out into space and/or CBs inside. Aaron Rodgers will be drooling over mismatches like this.

The addition of Adrian Peterson IMO doesn't fit the make up of the offense, and if you're looking at Peterson specifically he is almost exclusively a run-from-under-center type of runner and he always has been. Although his abilities are great for what he does, that style doesn't fit Green Bay's offense.

I'm totally expecting Montgomery to surprise a lot of Packers fans this season, given a whole off season to work specifically at running back. His ability to get tough yards + his pass catching ability make him realistically the perfect RB in todays NFL.

I agree about Montgomery.
Peterson imo would fit in any scheme. He demands respect by simply being on the field... in Greenbay he would be like 3rd or 4th priority of the defense. He has always been the center piece and has still overcome the odds. Its true he had lost half a step. But like many hall of famers, I think he will sprint to the finish...
Now as Peterson starts breaking off 20+ yd runs, the whole offense will truly open up, as Peterson rises up the defenses list of priorities to stop.

But as it turns out. We banked on Montgomery to Play rb, and become the back breaker in the passing attack.

As a rb, and with Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Bennett out there. Montgomery will always be covered by a lb... along with Bennett the unblockable, Rodgers will always have a mismatch...

 

[RRyder]

I agree about Montgomery.
Peterson imo would fit in any scheme. He demands respect by simply being on the field... in Greenbay he would be like 3rd or 4th priority of the defense. He has always been the center piece and has still overcome the odds. Its true he had lost half a step. But like many hall of famers, I think he will sprint to the finish...

It's been covered before so this is my last ditch effort to drive this home at least in relation to the bolded parts.

He doesn't command respect simply by being on the field anymore. You really need to stop looking at these ex great players with the assumption they'll still be able to play a near elite level. Father Time still is, and will remain, forever undefeated.

Just how many HoF RBs sprint torwards the finish line near the end? Even just the assumption that one would goes against all imperial evidence. RBS DON'T SPRINT TOWARDS THE FINISH LINE when they're on the down side of their careers. They normally try to jog across it but tend to be forced to crawl across the finish line. Once again RBs do not experience a gradual decline. They fall off a cliff.

All that's moving past he's stylistically not a good fit. Just accept that great players don't stay great or even finish as average. Alot.... Hell even most.... Finish their careers at a point where they shouldnt be anything more then a rotational guy.

 

[Raptorman]

This is just the first of a series of "I told you so" posts.
Point is he has been catching the ball out of the backfield well. And has been doing well in pass blocking drills.
We will see how this turns out. But I think we messed up big time. He wanted to come here imo. And we blew it.

He always caught the ball well out of the backfield. The Vikings never used him in that way very much. And as far as pass blocking, you can expect him to whiff when it counts. Why do you think he was out for a lot of 3rd down plays in MN? His pass blocking sucked. I don't see it as a skill magically appearing this year.

 

[Quientus]

Here's some numbers to further support my theory that Peterson would have been a terrible fit with the Packers. Over his career he has averaged only 3.7 yards per attempt with the quarterback in the shotgun. Last season Rodgers lined up in that formation 74.7% of the offensive snaps though.

I'm new to these boards as this is my first post (hey guys), but IMO Montgomery's skill set as a feature back with Williams to compliment that, in Green Bay's offense, along with the additions of Kendricks & Bennett really give Rodgers & McCarthy the ability to come out in seemingly run oriented personnel groups and create mismatches in the passing game. New England has wreaked havoc in recent years with their 12 personnel groupings (1 back, 2 tight ends) being flexible enough to come out in such personnel groupings but flex everyone out into empty formations, forcing LBs out into space and/or CBs inside. Aaron Rodgers will be drooling over mismatches like this.

The addition of Adrian Peterson IMO doesn't fit the make up of the offense, and if you're looking at Peterson specifically he is almost exclusively a run-from-under-center type of runner and he always has been. Although his abilities are great for what he does, that style doesn't fit Green Bay's offense.

I'm totally expecting Montgomery to surprise a lot of Packers fans this season, given a whole off season to work specifically at running back. His ability to get tough yards + his pass catching ability make him realistically the perfect RB in todays NFL.

... Seriously ? Talk about cherrypicking stats without providing Context ...

One of the main arguments against acquiring AD was that he would be a "terrible fit" for the Packer offense ... Totally diaregarding the fact that AD really has ONLY played with one QB of elite caliber during his career (and No, I dont consider Brees elite ) in 2009 ... Check ADs stats that year before saying he would have been a terrible fit ...

Anyway, its a moot point now, however, I do think AD is going to have a stellar season and as a few others have said already, it might prove to have been a Blunder not to get AD when the chance was there ...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

... Seriously ? Talk about cherrypicking stats without providing Context ...

One of the main arguments against acquiring AD was that he would be a "terrible fit" for the Packer offense ... Totally diaregarding the fact that AD really has ONLY played with one QB of elite caliber during his career (and No, I dont consider Brees elite ) in 2009 ... Check ADs stats that year before saying he would have been a terrible fit ...

In 2009 the Vikings primarily used Favre under center though (73.7%) with Peterson rushing the ball only six out of 314 times with the quarterback in the shotgun. Another evidence that AP struggles in that formation.

 

[Quientus]

In 2009 the Vikings primarily used Favre under center though (73.7%) with Peterson rushing the ball only six out of 314 times with the quarterback in the shotgun. Another evidence that AP struggles in that formation.

Despite "struggling" (your words) AD also posted his highest amount of rushing TDs (18 or so ?) aswell as one of his 3rd highest caught-% in his career so far ... so to say AD "struggled" that year is stretching it ...

Those are Numbers (combined) AD didn't reach before, nor after playing with an upper-echelon QB ...

Suffiice to say, We disagree, but to just flat out argue AD would struggle playing in GB, based on a few (cherry-picked stats) is naive at Best, especially considering AD has only played with an elite QB in 2 of his seasons played ...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Despite "struggling" (your words) AD also posted his highest amount of rushing TDs (18 or so ?) aswell as one of his 3rd highest caught-% in his career so far ... so to say AD "struggled" that year is stretching it ...

Those are Numbers (combined) AD didn't reach before, nor after playing with an upper-echelon QB ...

Suffiice to say, We disagree, but to just flat out argue AD would struggle playing in GB, based on a few (cherry-picked stats) is naive at Best, especially considering AD has only played with an elite QB in 2 of his seasons played ...

You should read my posts once again as I'm not arguing Peterson struggled in 2009 by any means or any other season he started most games for that matter but that he has had troubles with the quarterback in the shotgun for his entire career. That's why the Vikings used Favre primarily under center.

It wouldn't have made any sense for the Packers to change their offensive system, which is predominantly based on Rodgers being in the shotgun, to accomodate a 32-year old running back.

 

[gbgary]

The Peterson I most prefer to see in Green Bay:

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