Packers vs Bears Game Thread: Seasons End

[OldSchool101]

And that’s what separates Matt Lafleur from the best coaches in the NFL.

The best coaches in the NFL already know the distance that they’re willing to try their kicker from based on the conditions and direction before that 3rd down play even happens. They aren’t staring at their ST coach like a deer in the headlights trying to figure it out in the moment and thus donating a timeout to the other team to “think about it”.

I have to admit. I wasn’t watching the game live I was listening. However Matt has shown a flaw in clock usage. Not astronomically bad, but just enough it unnecessarily gives our opponent that 1 extra play. Much of the time it ends up not being an issue. Sounds like today he got burned.

I’m about 99% sure Andy Reid or Mike Tomlin don’t make that mistake. I have been very verbal that 4 out of 5 times it might not cost a game? Today is an example how just 4 seconds can cost us a game. Navigating the gameclock is an art and not all coaches understand that.

That said. Matt got lucky. Technically it didn’t cost us the 6th seed because Dallas lost at the last second. Imo he needs to own that flaw and hire an assistant to help him navigate the gameclock. It’s obvious he needs help, this is like the 10th time this has happened.

 

[tripleguy]

End of the day it doesn't matter. We will need to beat some very good teams. If we can't win the first one, it's a moot point as we wouldn't win against better ones. Just happens sooner than later and there are no consolation prizes awarded other than NFC champs which is meaningless if your goal is a SB.

 

[AKCheese]

End of the day it doesn't matter. We will need to beat some very good teams. If we can't win the first one, it's a moot point as we wouldn't win against better ones. Just happens sooner than later and there are no consolation prizes awarded other than NFC champs which is meaningless if your goal is a SB.

Exactly

 

[DoURant]

I guess in short it felt like LaFleur coached like he thought we'd only be able to win if we scored a TD there at the end...and Hafley coached as though he thought the only way we'd lose is if we gave up a TD there. Just really inexplicable (and IMO indefensible) decision-making there for the last ~2 minutes

The Refs called a holding call on the Bears last drive. It was actually a face mask, should have been a 15 yd penalty. 5 yds on that kick may have made a difference. Enagbare's horse collar tackle hurt as well, as Williams was running out of bounds. That's 20 free yards on that last possession.

 

[PikeBadger]

When posters make a direct personal attack on another poster because of a game loss, It speaks to their lack of character and ethics. I think it’s smart to block a poster if they are insulting level. I watch 2 of those 3 I’ve blocked across 11 years and they still today offend others and constantly argue and frustrate other routinely. I can see the other posters response and That tells me I was exactly correct blocking them and obviously implies I was a good judge of poor character.

So I gotta disagree with you. I think an occasional block is warranted and I know I’m not alone on that.

Got that right brother. I have the feeling that we've blocked the same people though I've put probably 10 on ignore and I tend to be a softy and take off the block after a year or two. I've had a few I've blocked multiple times.

 

[adambr2]

I don’t think MLF is in any imminent danger, but some posters seem to think he has a lifetime leash based on his regular season record, and that’s just not how it works.

Tell me all the NFL head coaches that get 10+ years of tenure without a Super Bowl appearance. I’ll wait.

 

[Zartan]

I have to admit. I wasn’t watching the game live I was listening. However Matt has shown a flaw in clock usage. Not astronomically bad, but just enough it unnecessarily gives our opponent that 1 extra play. Much of the time it ends up not being an issue. Sounds like today he got burned.

I’m about 99% sure Andy Reid or Mike Tomlin don’t make that mistake. I have been very verbal that 4 out of 5 times it might not cost a game? Today is an example how just 4 seconds can cost us a game. Navigating the gameclock is an art and not all coaches understand that.

That said. Matt got lucky. Technically it didn’t cost us the 6th seed because Dallas lost at the last second. Imo he needs to own that flaw and hire an assistant to help him navigate the gameclock. It’s obvious he needs help, this is like the 10th time this has happened.

I think Andy Reid had a clock management problem but was able to fix it.

You dont just win multiple Super Bowls and on the verge of a threepete by having bad clock management.

 

[PikeBadger]

I felt this team was a year away coming in so I see us about where I expected - still hate losing to the Bears

2 more wins than last year. Young guys improving. The veterans were a humongous disappointment this year. Absolutely brutal, almost every one of them.

 

[Half Empty]

Got that right brother. I have the feeling that we've blocked the same people though I've put probably 10 on ignore and I tend to be a softy and take off the block after a year or two. I've had a few I've blocked multiple times.

Genuinely curious - what did I say today that was a direct personal attack? Telling someone I think he must enjoy pain to be looking forward to watching this game doesn't seem to me to reach that level.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Really? You're that much of a *********?

My guy he made that post way earlier and like the third-quarter after I think some penalty that might've been questionable that's why he was saying it not so he could revel in the loss. Understand the context of what a guy is saying before you flip out my guy.

 

[melvin dangerr]

When posters make a direct personal attack on another poster because of a game loss, It speaks to their lack of character and ethics. I think it’s smart to block a poster if they are insulting level. I watch 2 of those 3 I’ve blocked across 11 years and they still today offend others and constantly argue and frustrate other routinely. I can see the other posters response and That tells me I was exactly correct blocking them and obviously implies I was a good judge of poor character.

So I gotta disagree with you. I think an occasional block is warranted and I know I’m not alone on that.

know,let me clean up my statement its not a personal attack on you or anyone who has used the block,I said overrated is that were adults here posting for entertainment, and the Mods are here to monitor that so if it does get personal that poster is immediately blocked or ignored, it shouldn’t get to that point because we are all faceless key clickers, I probably chose the wrong word overrated, if it were to get carried away with too much of the personal attacks I hope they know that they screw this up for everyone so again nothing personal oldschool

 

[Zartan]

I don’t think MLF is in any imminent danger, but some posters seem to think he has a lifetime leash based on his regular season record, and that’s just not how it works.

Tell me all the NFL head coaches that get 10+ years of tenure without a Super Bowl appearance. I’ll wait.

If MLF next season bombs the division again his seat will be getting hot. You cant keep going nearly winless in the division on a consistent basis and still have a job.

In all of the divisional games this season the team just looked flat.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Hate losing to the Bears

Hahahaha bc it happens so often.
You gotta at least admit, we earned this one......

 

[GB2016]

The Packers seem to be the only team in the NFL to not understand that throwing 15-20 yards over the middle of the field, getting back to the line and spiking the ball in less than 15 seconds is indeed possible.

Bad Hire!

 

[Zartan]

2 more wins than last year. Young guys improving. The veterans were a humongous disappointment this year. Absolutely brutal, almost every one of them.

Improved in some ways and regressed in others. The alarming thing is how they looked facing top tier talent, going 1-5 (Almost 0-6) in the division is not a good look.

 

[Magooch]

The Refs called a holding call on the Bears last drive. It was actually a face mask, should have been a 15 yd penalty. 5 yds on that kick may have made a difference. Enagbare's horse collar tackle hurt as well, as Williams was running out of bounds. That's 20 free yards on that last possession.

Yeah, I watched it, but I can't figure out why we felt like we needed to play hurry-up once we got the ball back...only to take a timeout before taking your own field goal, thereby preserving Chicago's lone field goal and saving them ~30 seconds (in which the explanation is that Bisaccia had to convince LaFleur we were in McManus' range, which is also not a great look. I would think the head coach should have a pretty good idea of his kicker's range without needing the ST coordinator to remind him but maybe not) and I can't figure out why we misjudged the game-situation so badly that we basically could not comprehend a reality in which Chicago was able to get ~15 yards and a spike without the clock running out, despite leaving the middle of the field WIDE open with only three rushing and zero pressure and safeties acting like they needed to defend a hail mary and nothing less. That's the part I'm a little mixed up about...I mean, if you told me that LaFleur thought we got the ball back down 4 and that Hafley thought Chicago got the ball back with us leading by 4, then it would make sense to me, I guess.

 

[Firethorn1001]

know,let me clean up my statement its not a personal attack on you or anyone who has used the block,I said overrated

I think the comments are stemmed from someone saying I enjoyed watching the Packers lose to inferior teams and to block them (or something or other) and from Half Empty's comments.

Oddly enough, I generally don't block someone for personal attacks. I'll ignore the "fly in and only show up when the Packers lose crowd" from time to time.

 

[Sanguine camper]

It was a meaningless game but still an ugly loss. If they can't stop the Bears with 50 seconds left, I don't have much confidence they can prevent Philly from putting up 40. Again, when it really counts, nobody steps up. Coaching was also very flawed so its not all on the players. MLF is a good O coordinator. As a head coach, he's looking like Marty Schottenheimer with each passing season.

 

[adambr2]

Some NFL head coaches have an assistant with no other purpose than to help manage clock decisions.

I don’t know if it’s because of pride or what that he doesn’t have one, but he needs one. He’s hurt the team on numerous occasions with poor clock management.

And it’s not a good look at all that MLF and Bisaccia weren’t on the same page on how close they needed to get to try McManus.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Tell me all the NFL head coaches that get 10+ years of tenure without a Super Bowl appearance. I’ll wait.

George Halas.

 

[melvin dangerr]

I think the comments are stemmed from someone saying I enjoyed watching the Packers lose to inferior teams and to block them (or something or other) and from Half Empty's comments.

Oddly enough, I generally don't block someone for personal attacks. I'll ignore the "fly in and only show up when the Packers lose crowd" from time to time.

Same here, I have seen people handle heated posts and moved on like I would, if you can’t disagree without making it personal don’t respond

 

[Magooch]

I don’t think MLF is in any imminent danger, but some posters seem to think he has a lifetime leash based on his regular season record, and that’s just not how it works.

Tell me all the NFL head coaches that get 10+ years of tenure without a Super Bowl appearance. I’ll wait.

I'm not a "LaFleur-Out" guy but more and more I'm having a hard time convincing myself that he will be the guy to take us over the top. The feeling has crept up from time to time over his tenure with us (and to his credit he has often done enough to quiet it down as needed) but I just continually find myself going back to thinking that he'd be a great strictly as an OC but struggles more with all the decision-making that being a head coach entails.

I think his offensive concepts are great, he's generally creative (if a bit too cute at times), and he does really quite well at developing the talent he's given on offense. But in terms of in-game management and decision-making it just seems like it's constantly something absolutely baffling. I'm aware of his win-loss record but as it stands, is it really so far-fetched to suggest we've currently got the third-best coach in the division? I mean, like I said - I like the guy and I think he does a lot of things right, but if Minnesota or Detroit called us and said "wanna swap coaches," who says no?

 

[gopkrs]

Definitely should have tried harder for that last 1st down. Not only use up clock but a shorter field goal.

 

[King of Jeans]

I like MLF but I think if he doesn't have a good playoff game he will be in the hot seat next year

 

[DoURant]

Got that right brother. I have the feeling that we've blocked the same people though I've put probably 10 on ignore and I tend to be a softy and take off the block after a year or two. I've had a few I've blocked multiple times.

I've only blocked 1 person, ever, on this forum. The stuff that irritates me the most are the ones who don't say anything positive when the team does something good, but once one thing goes wrong, they are posting within 2 seconds of that, and have a minimum 95% overall negative comment interaction. I'm not saying every post has to be unicorns and rainbows, but there are few out there that I seriously question their Fandom, and wonder if they are just trolls in disguise. Don't get me wrong, I get upset during the game too, but man, some of you are too much. This was the first year I followed the live game thread on here, and the 3 hour negative atmosphere has me seriously questioning my participation moving forward. Anyway, 0-0 starting next week, need to go 4-0 the rest of the season. Go Pack Go!