Packers vs Bears Game Thread: Seasons End

[DoURant]

Genuinely curious - what did I say today that was a direct personal attack? Telling someone I think he must enjoy pain to be looking forward to watching this game doesn't seem to me to reach that level.

Hard to honestly say on our side, as your post had a censored word. Enlighten us on what it was.

 

[OldSchool101]

2 more wins than last year. Young guys improving. The veterans were a humongous disappointment this year. Absolutely brutal, almost every one of them.

Exactly
I think most would’ve guessed preseason that GB would have 9-12 Wins. We finished with 11 Wins. Thats about where I thought we’d land. We qualified but what we didn’t expect is both the Vikings and Detroit to both elevate to 14-15 Wins.

 

[smacker]

Yeah, I watched it, but I can't figure out why we felt like we needed to play hurry-up once we got the ball back...only to take a timeout before taking your own field goal, thereby preserving Chicago's lone field goal and saving them ~30 seconds (in which the explanation is that Bisaccia had to convince LaFleur we were in McManus' range, which is also not a great look. I would think the head coach should have a pretty good idea of his kicker's range without needing the ST coordinator to remind him but maybe not) and I can't figure out why we misjudged the game-situation so badly that we basically could not comprehend a reality in which Chicago was able to get ~15 yards and a spike without the clock running out, despite leaving the middle of the field WIDE open with only three rushing and zero pressure and safeties acting like they needed to defend a hail mary and nothing less. That's the part I'm a little mixed up about...I mean, if you told me that LaFleur thought we got the ball back down 4 and that Hafley thought Chicago got the ball back with us leading by 4, then it would make sense to me, I guess.

I think MLF just panicked. Not good for a head coach

 

[adambr2]

I'm not a "LaFleur-Out" guy but more and more I'm having a hard time convincing myself that he will be the guy to take us over the top. The feeling has crept up from time to time over his tenure with us (and to his credit he has often done enough to quiet it down as needed) but I just continually find myself going back to thinking that he'd be a great strictly as an OC but struggles more with all the decision-making that being a head coach entails.

I think his offensive concepts are great, he's generally creative (if a bit too cute at times), and he does really quite well at developing the talent he's given on offense. But in terms of in-game management and decision-making it just seems like it's constantly something absolutely baffling. I'm aware of his win-loss record but as it stands, is it really so far-fetched to suggest we've currently got the third-best coach in the division? I mean, like I said - I like the guy and I think he does a lot of things right, but if Minnesota or Detroit called us and said "wanna swap coaches," who says no?

MLF is a really smart X’s and O’s offensive mind, who really struggles with instinctive thinking and the added HC responsibility of making quick, important decisions on the fly.

Which unfortunately is a really, really undesirable quality for an HC to have in big games against top coaches.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I bet as a coach, you would give out participation medals too

Why is that, exactly?

 

[BrokenArrow]

MLF is a really smart X’s and O’s offensive mind, who really struggles with instinctive thinking and the added HC responsibility of making quick, important decisions on the fly.

Which unfortunately is a really, really undesirable quality for an HC to have in big games against top coaches.

Maybe better with Saleh HC and MLF OC?

 

[melvin dangerr]

Well this is apple’s and oranges but in 2010 the Packers were a wild card team and made it all the way to the SB and WON IT, so I’m just saying anything is possible, they just have to put down the stupid juice, and MLF don’t get happy you finally won a challenge

 

[DoURant]

Maybe better with Saleh HC and MLF OC?

MLF won't be taking any demotions in Green Bay. Also, whenever he gets fired, he will get another HC job quickly, IMO.

 

[Catamount1971]

Maybe better with Saleh HC and MLF OC?

Maybe Salah DC and MLF OC and an adult as a HC with relevant experience. Hard to give a game away due to incompetence. What happened to the clean game?

 

[rmontro]

Funny what a difference two weeks makes. Two weeks ago, we had pitched the only shutout of the season against the Saints, and you started to think hey maybe our defense is starting to gel, then we have two demoralizing losses in a row. Oh well, on to Philly.

 

[adambr2]

Well this is apple’s and oranges but in 2010 the Packers were a wild card team and made it all the way to the SB and WON IT, so I’m just saying anything is possible, they just have to put down the stupid juice, and MLF don’t get happy you finally won a challenge

I just don’t see the leaders. I don’t see the Charles Woodson or the Greg Jennings.

Not for nothing, but this NFC field is also many times more difficult than that one was.

That 2010 team had a feel to it after they beat Atlanta that they weren’t going to be stopped. If the Packers survive their next 2 games against the NFCs two best teams, maybe I’ll have that feeling about them to. But I just don’t right now.

 

[Snoops]

thought I’d wait til the end of the season to share my optimism. Without further ado the 2024 Packers are 1 and done lmaoooo just a total collapse to end the season as the 7th seed… they should be 0-6 in the division. I’m still not sold on Love and I still think it was a mistake to resign him for that kind of bread

 

[Catamount1971]

Funny what a difference two weeks makes. Two weeks ago, we had pitched the only shutout of the season against the Saints, and you started to think hey maybe our defense is starting to gel, then we have two demoralizing losses in a row. Oh well, on to Philly.

The defense didn’t hurt us, the laundry list of mistakes did. Special teams and poor situational awareness with coaching.

 

[Snoops]

MLF won't be taking any demotions in Green Bay. Also, whenever he gets fired, he will get another HC job quickly, IMO.

MLF is going absolutely no where all Green Bay look at all his regular season wins and playoff participation trophy’s…. They love him lol

 

[Half Empty]

Hard to honestly say on our side, as your post had a censored word. Enlighten us on what it was.

I explained with an uncensored definition, but maybe spacing it out with get through - m a s o c h i s t

 

[BrokenArrow]

MLF won't be taking any demotions in Green Bay. Also, whenever he gets fired, he will get another HC job quickly, IMO.

I know. Strictly thinking theoretically.

 

[Firethorn1001]

That 2010 team had a feel to it after they beat Atlanta that they weren’t going to be stopped. If the Packers survive their next 2 games against the NFCs two best teams, maybe I’ll have that feeling about them to. But I just don’t right now.

If they make it through next 2 games (Philly and Detroit/MN) they would be in the NFCCG. I sure hope your feeling would change....

 

[Firethorn1001]

I explained with an uncensored definition, but maybe spacing it out with get through - m a s o c h i s t

Some of the words that are blocked are humorous. Surprised Peanut Butter isn't turned into *ea*** ****er

 

[Half Empty]

I just don’t see the leaders. I don’t see the Charles Woodson or the Greg Jennings.

Not for nothing, but this NFC field is also many times more difficult than that one was.

That 2010 team had a feel to it after they beat Atlanta that they weren’t going to be stopped. If the Packers survive their next 2 games against the NFCs two best teams, maybe I’ll have that feeling about them to. But I just don’t right now.

...and they won their last two games, and they never trailed by more than a TD all year, and they had backups having career years while covering for IR starters, and...

 

[adambr2]

If they make it through next 2 games (Philly and Detroit/MN) they would be in the NFCCG. I sure hope your feeling would change....

Of course. It just seems to me like the hopes of that happening are rooted more in blind optimism than any logical reason to expect it. That 2010 team was riding momentum heading into the postseason. This one is coming off two division losses including a home loss to the Bears.

Our hope is basically that a team that hasn’t been able to put it together against a good team all season is finally going to just “flip a switch” in the next 7 days. I just don’t know how realistic that is.

 

[adambr2]

Matt LaFleur on late-game clock mismanagement: ‘That falls on my shoulders’

"That’s on me. That can’t happen."

www.acmepackingcompany.com

You are an NFL head coach. You were down by 2 with 1 minute left in the game.

How were you and your special teams coach not on the same page as to the range of your kicker? You didn’t think to discuss that with him before 4th down?

 

[DoURant]

I explained with an uncensored definition, but maybe spacing it out with get through - m a s o c h i s t

Didn't see your other post with uncensoreddefinition. Live posting, it could have been anything, and filling in the blank could make anyone think the worst... it wasn't directed towards me, but for what it's worth, my first thought was negative, and I can see why OS reacted the way he did.

 

[Magooch]

Of course. It just seems to me like the hopes of that happening are rooted more in blind optimism than any logical reason to expect it. That 2010 team was riding momentum heading into the postseason. This one is coming off two division losses including a home loss to the Bears.

Our hope is basically that a team that hasn’t been able to put it together against a good team all season is finally going to just “flip a switch” in the next 7 days. I just don’t know how realistic that is.

Yep, bingo. Exactly what I’ve been getting at.

Yes, there ARE instances where it just clicks, a team finally turns the corner, everything gels, they flip the switch, however you want to call it. But the vast, vast majority of the time, when a team reaches the playoffs they don’t radically reinvent the team that they were all throughout the regular season. A level higher? Perhaps, but by and large it’s the same “bones” remaining.

And there are still some measurable that speak in our favor (but you could find just as many that speak against us). But when it comes to “mentality” or other intangibles…I mean, could the “vibe” really be any worse heading into the postseason?

So, as much as I’d like to hope it’s not the case… more and more I get the sense that this is just one of those teams where it’s like… we knew who they were/are and just couldn’t or wouldn’t accept that. This team has had plenty of opportunities to change the narrative and it’s came up short every time, for better or worse.

I’m reminded of a quote - I think it’s Maya Angelou: “When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time.”

 

[Firethorn1001]

Our hope is basically that a team that hasn’t been able to put it together against a good team all season is finally going to just “flip a switch” in the next 7 days. I just don’t know how realistic that is.

From a player standpoint I'm thinking the switch could come. At this point though, MLF's mental gaffs are stacking up to think that he absolutely could be a barrier.

 

[David Ciembronowicz]

DEt vs mn should be good game. Prepare for gb draft day. Too many questions on this team on all three levels (plus coaching)that make a "run" seem likely. What is really concerning is a question of who are/is the leader(s) on this team? Is it Love, IMO not; is it Jacobs (maybe), anyone on the OL?, WR? What about on D, who stands out other than McKinney and Gary, they are likely the leaders but do they have teamwide influence? Leadership is critical to winning, ensuring everyone has a sense of urgency, focus on doing your job right every play, who do you see out there that does that on this GB team. Hard to see despite an 11-6 record