Packers value, and system for draft

[longtimefan]

So.. Lot here are saying so and so was better than who the Packers selected.

Let's hear how you know how the Packers scouts and people at 1265 value their board?

Then show us how your board is so much better.


We will wait.. ...

 

[Ogsponge]

They don’t have a board and if they do it was copied from someone else. We are all fans and we all have our favorites.

I have never been so livid in my life concerning the Packers when they traded down to not pick tj watt and picked King instead. And frankly no one can argue that we are better off with King than we would have been with Watt.

Point being, people have their opinions, don’t know why you can’t allow people to have their opinions. For all the talk from moderators about don’t get in pissing contests on this board, I am not sure why a moderator is trying to start one. Just my two cents.

That said I do agree with you that no one on this board is better at evaluating talent in the draft than the people in the front office.

 

[longtimefan]

They don’t have a board and if they do it was copied from someone else. We are all fans and we all have our favorites.

I have never been so livid in my life concerning the Packers when they traded down to not pick tj watt and picked King instead. And frankly no one can argue that we are better off with King than we would have been with Watt.

Point being, people have their opinions, don’t know why you can’t allow people to have their opinions. For all the talk from moderators about don’t get in pissing contests on this board, I am not sure why a moderator is trying to start one. Just my two cents.

That said I do agree with you that no one on this board is better at evaluating talent in the draft than the people in the front office.

Opinions are needed and can be great conversation..

But when posters are declaring they are right and Packers are wrong I'd like to understand their thinking why they feel that way.

I am annoyed at how some think they are much better

Im honestly not trying to have a pissing contest, but truly curious why these posters are right and the pros are wrong

 

[Ogsponge]

Opinions are needed and can be great conversation..

But when posters are declaring they are right and Packers are wrong I'd like to understand their thinking why they feel that way.

I am annoyed at how some think they are much better

Im honestly not trying to have a pissing contest, but truly curious why these posters are right and the pros are wrong

Fair enough, just came across a bit combative to me. And I understand your annoyance with the people that are so sure their picks would be better.

 

[sschind]

They don’t have a board and if they do it was copied from someone else. We are all fans and we all have our favorites.

I have never been so livid in my life concerning the Packers when they traded down to not pick tj watt and picked King instead. And frankly no one can argue that we are better off with King than we would have been with Watt.

Point being, people have their opinions, don’t know why you can’t allow people to have their opinions. For all the talk from moderators about don’t get in pissing contests on this board, I am not sure why a moderator is trying to start one. Just my two cents.

That said I do agree with you that no one on this board is better at evaluating talent in the draft than the people in the front office.

I'm fine with people having opinions and not agreeing with who was picked but what I would like to see is people giving options as to what they would have preferred to see done. Same **** different GM and draft doesn't cut it either.

Ranting and raving about how this or that pick sucks and is already a bust adds absolutely nothing as it is clearly not how the powers that be see it and like you said their opinions carry a bit more weight. If you can't tell me what you would have done differently or at least tell me why you don't like the pick I can't help but think you are just...well lets just say I don't really care what you think.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Fair enough, just came across a bit combative to me. And I understand your annoyance with the people that are so sure their picks would be better.

People read too much into picks themselves.

I would say more that a number of us just don't like drafting defensive players in general and demanded particularly in this draft that most of the picks be made for the offense. Doesn't matter what the pleaders for the defense say. Those who want offense are not going to change their mind particularly when they don't believe Rodgers has enough weapons or protection.

 

[longtimefan]

People read too much into picks themselves.

I would say more that a number of us just don't like drafting defensive players in general and demanded particularly in this draft that most of the picks be made for the offense. Doesn't matter what the pleaders for the defense say. Those who want offense are not going to change their mind particularly when they don't believe Rodgers has enough weapons or protection.

But it still begs the question... Doesn't the team know what they want?

 

[Quientus]

Packers should have drafted Hjalte Froholdt ! The Great Dane

- Sorry, its historic, first Dane in 37 years to be drafted lol (Last Dane was Morten Andersen, Kicker)

And yes, I’m Danish

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

But it still begs the question... Doesn't the team know what they want?

Oh no doubt they had a plan for this draft and followed it, so yes they do know what they want. I'm personally just skeptical as to whether it will mean the overall direction is headed the right wah though.

While I think the defense will be improved a bit with this draft, there's still reason for skepticism on the offense. It has to improve significantly if we're going to get this team not only back to the playoffs but to the Superbowl before Rodgers retires. I certainly am hopeful LaFleur can tweak some things with it and try and make Rodgers's job easier, but I think his job would be easier with an infusion of a little more big playmaker talent and depth.

We'll see how this plays out, but I don't want to be sitting at the end of this next season still complaining about the offense and looking back feeling like the front office could have done more about it.

 

[longtimefan]

If this were Ted and MM, I would be worried..

But I have a "feeling" this new regime is confident in the health of Rodgers and the wr core..

Evidence?
Free agency they did what? Draft they did what? If they felt the offense wasn't ready, I'm confident they would have grabbed offense help.

I don't believe they are bpa other than they took the bpa for Def..

 

[longtimefan]

Forgot to mention.

What if there is a player the Packers really like.. Think he has all the tools for their specific needs.

So then they go to ex coaches and etc.. And find something out they just can't get past.

So they take him off the board. Yet every one is scratching their head as to way they past on a this player

That is one REAL possibility that happens and most people don't t hear about it until later

 

[Quientus]

Forgot to mention.

What if there is a player the Packers really like.. Think he has all the tools for their specific needs.

So then they go to ex coaches and etc.. And find something out they just can't get past.

So they take him off the board. Yet every one is scratching their head as to way they past on a this player

That is one REAL possibility that happens and most people don't t hear about it until later

I Think it happens more than people May Think ... seemingly it also happened to Rodgers in 2005 - and was one of The reasons ‘49’ers went with Smith. Its about first impressions when you meet up ... sometimes you just dont click ...

 

[DoURant]

Those who want offense are not going to change their mind particularly when they don't believe Rodgers has enough weapons or protection.

When it comes to WR, they drafted 3 guys last year, Geronimo is back from injury, and I'm sure the top brass has faith in who they have, whether we agree with it or not. They drafted Sternberger in the 3rd, to go with Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan. OL, drafted Jenkins, got a bonus with Cole coming back this year and Signed Turner as a FA. Spriggs is in 4th year, its put up or shut up for him. After the draft they signed Josuah Nijman OT Virginia Tech 6'6" 324, ran a 4.83 40 and has a RAS of 9.87...go figure he was on their radar, LOL. They drafted Dexter Williams, who is made for zone blocking, and may give Aaron Jones a run for his money by mid season.

Right now, I'm good with the offense and what they did this draft and off-season, and they still may cut and sign some guys, because there will be cuts, and plenty of veteran FA's out there yet, so we all need to RELAX just a little.... also, if anyone thinks the (2) 4th round picks we traded to get Savage was going to make or break this team, I think your crazy. In Amish's mock only 2 draft picks were mocked correctly by everyone involved (Savage and Sternberger) what makes anyone think they would have drafted anyone with them picks we wanted and mocked in the contest anyway. I love the draft, I love my team, and there's a lot of smart Packers fans in here and that's why I'm on this board, especially around the draft. But like the moderator said up top, we definitely aren't smarter them the guys making the selections, they are building the team they know what they want for players for the schemes they are implementing for a new coach and staff, we don't. I think its obvious they want Athletic freaks right now, and they are gonna live and die by that philosophy (and hopefully not die). It's okay to question what they are doing, not drink the cool-aid everyday, have friendly banter, disagreements, etc., but the arrogance of some of people thinking they are right and everyone else on here, along with the Packers top brass is wrong is complete and utter lunacy.

This is a new era in football, analytics is the new way we do business, whether we like it or not. It's time to get on the 2019 Packers train, support the players we drafted, support the new coaching staff, support Gute, he's trying to build a team "his team", "his way" He also needs more than 1 season, and 2 drafts (one hasn't even suited up yet) to be judged on how good he will be.

 

[Dantés]

The draft is literally my favorite part of football. Which is really weird. I guess it's just because it's the intersection of the college and pro games, both of which I love.

I really enjoy watching draft prospects. I don't watch nearly as much or as many as I used to, but I still try to cover certain players/positions that seem most relevant to my team.

For this reason, I generally have plenty of opinions as the draft is concerned. And there are times where I do think that the team could have done something better/smarter.

But that said, there is nothing worse than an internet amateur like me pitching a fit because their guy got passed for someone they don't like. Maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong. But if following the draft closely for over 10 years has taught me anything, it's that you ought to be humble.

It's like this:

Say you have a guy who golfs twice a month when the weather is nice, and he's ok.

That's me.

Then you have a guy down the street who doesn't have kids and he golfs three times a week. He's better.

That's like the TDN guys.

Then you have the golf pros.

That's like Daniel Jeremiah or Dane Brugler.

Then you have pros who win majors.

That's NFL front offices.

What some people do online when their guy doesn't get picked would be like some schmuck fan at Augusta screaming at Tiger that he's using the wrong clubs.

 

[DoURant]

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[DoURant]

The draft is literally my favorite part of football. Which is really weird. I guess it's just because it's the intersection of the college and pro games, both of which I love.

I really enjoy watching draft prospects. I don't watch nearly as much or as many as I used to, but I still try to cover certain players/positions that seem most relevant to my team.

Dantes, I am the same, I live for the draft, I actually live for the whole process. People ask me why its my hobby, why I take vacation every year to watch the draft, etc., and it's hard to give an answer to someone who just doesn't watch it. Once the Packers season is done, I'm spending most of my free time on the draft. Am I an expert, hell no, but I try to scout as many guys I can, some its just a highlight real on you tube, I just don't have the time to devote for more. But I know what I like, and I hope the Packers feel the same about them as I do. I've been on this board for 3 drafts now, and have always enjoyed your knowledge and comments, not to mention the comments of many others.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

When it comes to WR, they drafted 3 guys last year, Geronimo is back from injury, and I'm sure the top brass has faith in who they have, whether we agree with it or not. They drafted Sternberger in the 3rd, to go with Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan. OL, drafted Jenkins, got a bonus with Cole coming back this year and Signed Turner as a FA. Spriggs is in 4th year, its put up or shut up for him. After the draft they signed Josuah Nijman OT Virginia Tech 6'6" 324, ran a 4.83 40 and has a RAS of 9.87...go figure he was on their radar, LOL. They drafted Dexter Williams, who is made for zone blocking, and may give Aaron Jones a run for his money by mid season.

Right now, I'm good with the offense and what they did this draft and off-season, and they still may cut and sign some guys, because there will be cuts, and plenty of veteran FA's out there yet, so we all need to RELAX just a little.... also, if anyone thinks the (2) 4th round picks we traded to get Savage was going to make or break this team, I think your crazy. In Amish's mock only 2 draft picks were mocked correctly by everyone involved (Savage and Sternberger) what makes anyone think they would have drafted anyone with them picks we wanted and mocked in the contest anyway. I love the draft, I love my team, and there's a lot of smart Packers fans in here and that's why I'm on this board, especially around the draft. But like the moderator said up top, we definitely aren't smarter them the guys making the selections, they are building the team they know what they want for players for the schemes they are implementing for a new coach and staff, we don't. I think its obvious they want Athletic freaks right now, and they are gonna live and die by that philosophy (and hopefully not die). It's okay to question what they are doing, not drink the cool-aid everyday, have friendly banter, disagreements, etc., but the arrogance of some of people thinking they are right and everyone else on here, along with the Packers top brass is wrong is complete and utter lunacy.

This is a new era in football, analytics is the new way we do business, whether we like it or not. It's time to get on the 2019 Packers train, support the players we drafted, support the new coaching staff, support Gute, he's trying to build a team "his team", "his way" He also needs more than 1 season, and 2 drafts (one hasn't even suited up yet) to be judged on how good he will be.

I think this is fair, I also tend to notice there's kind of a polarization here between those who love offensive football and those who love defensive slugfests.

Take last year for example, you had people like me who loved the Rams and Chiefs 54-51 shootout because of all the big plays and fireworks that went off in that game. And you had some who didn't like it and complained about there being too much offense. And then you had the polar opposite in the Superbowl with a pretty ugly one there. It was a little reminiscent of Superbowl V where a lot of experts thought Unitas and Morton were going to blow the scoreboard up in that game and it ended up being a major slop fest.

And one can't deny that some of our offensive juggernaut teams in the past like 2007 and 2011 were exciting to watch. I still consider that season opener against the Saints when Rodgers and Brees were shredding the defenses to be the best season opener on prime time to be the best I ever saw as a Packer fan. I don't think anyone can really fault the fans who have nostalgia for those days and want to see the team return to that kind of excitement.


On the flipside, I do think the defense will have to step it up and perhaps Gute will have gotten right what Thompson failed to in his defensive draft picks. If so, there will be good reason to be excited about things.

I don't think anyone here truly thinks they can run our front office, but I don't think there's anything wrong with them not warming up to all the picks until they see them on the field.

I certainly don't think I could have done Mike Sherman's job better than he did when he was here, but he obviously got a lot wrong as GM when he was here and got replaced because of it. Gute's held to the same standard so ... Let the chips fall where they may.

 

[DoURant]

Gute's held to the same standard so ... Let the chips fall where they may.

I agree, but 1 year and 2 drafts is pretty tough to judge someone on, its too early to tell if his way will be successful or not. If we stay healthy in key spots and don't make the playoffs again, then I will have a real concern on his philosophy, so I'm going to wait for judgement until after this season. I didn't say we couldn't question things, but to down right refuse to give any credit, claim they have ruined the team, the draft, etc. because we don't agree with or understand their picks or philosophy doesn't mean they need to be fired.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Course one thing did come to mind as I was weighing through this. 1989.

Our GM that year will forever have his legacy stained for picking Tony Mandarich over Barry Sanders. I was only 2 at the time, but I kinda wonder how many old timers didn't yell at the TV when that happened. Favre probably would have had about 3 SB wins during the Holmgren era instead of just one.

 

[longtimefan]

I agree, but 1 year and 2 drafts is pretty tough to judge someone on, its too early to tell if his way will be successful or not. If we stay healthy in key spots and don't make the playoffs again, then I will have a real concern on his philosophy, so I'm going to wait for judgement until after this season. I didn't say we couldn't question things, but to down right refuse to give any credit, claim they have ruined the team, the draft, etc. because we don't agree with or understand their picks or philosophy doesn't mean they need to be fired.

Some one gets it

 

[DoURant]

I kinda wonder how many old timers didn't yell at the TV when that happened.

I was a junior in college, watching the draft with friends, and pretty much everyone was on board with the pick. We needed an OLineman bad, everyone thought he was the top prospect in the draft, but QB trumps everything, the Cowboys took Aikman, instead of Mandarich and the rest is history....just like this year with Kyler Murray.

 

[GleefulGary]

Gute likes athletes. That's all I gotta say.

 

[OldSchool101]

Gute likes athletes. That's all I gotta say.

I think Gute is really poster Brandon. Forgive me Brandon!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But it still begs the question... Doesn't the team know what they want?

There's no doubt that people working for the Packers know way more about football than every single poster around here and that they have a plan for the team going forward.

With 20 teams not making the playoffs and 31 missing out on winning the Super Bowl that doesn't mean those decisions are always the correct ones though.

 

[longtimefan]

There's no doubt that people working for the Packers know way more about football than every single poster around here and that they have a plan for the team going forward.

With 20 teams not making the playoffs and 31 missing out on winning the Super Bowl that doesn't mean those decisions are always the correct ones though.

Correct.. So it baffles me when @brandon2348 goes off on tangents..