Packers free agent rumors?

[PackerDNA]

This has been a point of contention now and then.
Could I or anyone else just show up at 1265, plop down in Ted's chair and do his job well? Of course not; we wouldn't even know where the bathrooms are.
But had I had the opportunity, decided it's what I wanted to do, and pursued it to the best of my ability, ending up as an NFL GM, there is no doubt in my mind I'd have been a very good one.

 

[PackerDNA]

I doubt he has ever commented publicly on the matter, but I would love to know what Capers thinks of the situation at ILB and how TT has or has not helped Dom. One has to wonder if Dom is saying "Don't worry Ted, I've got this with the guys we have" or he is asking for more and not getting it? I really can't imagine that TT doesn't have conversations with every coach in order to get a good feel for team needs.

Some of what I read about rumored tension between Ted, MM and others in the organization wasn't that Ted didn't listen; it's that he never said yes.

 

[Half Empty]

I have NEVER seen any thing here that tells me that armchair keyboard cowboys with 10% of the information, knowledge and understanding of the organizational dynamics in play could do better than the weakest 5 franchises in the NFL at putting together and maintaining a coaching staff, scouting staff, 53 man roster and 10 man practice squad.

Under those circumstances, it'd certainly be a lot tougher. What I meant was that, if some of us were to be plunked down in the GM's seat, WITH all the advantages he has in terms of information and staff, I see no reason there couldn't be positive results. As I've noted before, I certainly couldn't even pretend to be able to do the players' jobs, but GMing is a matter of mental processes, and, certainly in particular areas, TT hasn't shown himself to be that much more capable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Some of what I read about rumored tension between Ted, MM and others in the organization wasn't that Ted didn't listen; it's that he never said yes.

When you run a business, you can't say "yes" to everyone and every request. But you do have to listen and let your staff know that you are. Saying "yes or no" can be accomplished through your actions. I'm quite certain every positional coach has his needs and desires for the upcoming season, but its TT's job to rank the priority of those needs and try to match them up with the right player via signing within, the free agent market, the draft and UDFA signings. Doing all of this, while keeping a close eye on the cap.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

By just signing the biggest name FA at ILB, you would better address that issue. Problem is, he's got to do a balanced job with the entire roster, not just one position, and has to keep in mind next year and the year after that, not just this year.

Of course Thompson can´t just sign the highest priced free agent at every position. There would have been various opportunities over the last four years to upgrade the talent level at inside linebacker with one or two moderately priced players.

When you run a business, you can't say "yes" to everyone and every request.

Thompson can´t say yes to everyone but to nearly almost reject requests isn´t the best way to do his job either.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Thompson can´t say yes to everyone but to nearly almost reject requests isn´t the best way to do his job either.

Again, not offering up my opinion of the job Thompson is doing, but it would be interesting to know how many of theses "requests" are media/fan perceived and how many are true requests from positional coaches. Did Brian Angelichio say "If I am taking the job, I need an upgrade at TE?" Is Winston Moss yelling "Our ILB's are crap, I need something done!". Or are they both filling TT's ears with "You know, this guy is going to be good and I know just how to accomplish that".

I don't know the answers to these questions, but I bet TT does.

 

[PackerDNA]

Again, not offering up my opinion of the job Thompson is doing, but it would be interesting to know how many of theses "requests" are media/fan perceived and how many are true requests from positional coaches. Did Brian Angelichio say "If I am taking the job, I need an upgrade at TE?" Is Winston Moss yelling "Our ILB's are crap, I need something done!". Or are they both filling TT's ears with "You know, this guy is going to be good and I know just how to accomplish that".

I don't know the answers to these questions, but I bet TT does.

The theme was the same in several articles. MM was 'frustrated', and the scouts / personnel guys felt all their work was for nothing. TT would 'listen', but not accept or act on their recommendations.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Again, not offering up my opinion of the job Thompson is doing, but it would be interesting to know how many of theses "requests" are media/fan perceived and how many are true requests from positional coaches. Did Brian Angelichio say "If I am taking the job, I need an upgrade at TE?" Is Winston Moss yelling "Our ILB's are crap, I need something done!". Or are they both filling TT's ears with "You know, this guy is going to be good and I know just how to accomplish that".

I don't know the answers to these questions, but I bet TT does.

As mentioned above there were several reports about McCarthy and others in the pro personnel department being frustrated with Thompson's reluctancy to bring in vereran players to improve the roster.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The theme was the same in several articles. MM was 'frustrated', and the scouts / personnel guys felt all their work was for nothing. TT would 'listen', but not accept or act on their recommendations.

I have read some of the same articles, but they seem to center around TT and the Free Agent market. Are these same "scouts/personnel guys" unhappy with the way TT runs the Packers overall or just with his philosophy when it comes to free agents? Again, how much of this unhappiness is perceived by fans/media and how much is real? While 2015 was a dysfunctional year in so many ways, I don't see an organization with their finger on the panic button. However, if there truly is a lot of dissension with TT throughout the organization, then I'm guessing his time won't be long in GB.

 

[AmishMafia]

This has been a point of contention now and then.
Could I or anyone else just show up at 1265, plop down in Ted's chair and do his job well? Of course not; we wouldn't even know where the bathrooms are.
But had I had the opportunity, decided it's what I wanted to do, and pursued it to the best of my ability, ending up as an NFL GM, there is no doubt in my mind I'd have been a very good one.

Are you right now the manager of a 500 person organization that is one of the top 5 most succesful in your industry in the entire country? Dont kid yourself. It is a very intense and competitive job that millions would love to have. Watching games, following the draft, and reading forums does not give you much insight into being a great GM no more than taking asprin for a headache and watching an excedrin commercial gives you an idea how to do brain surgery.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As mentioned above there were several reports about McCarthy and others in the pro personnel department being frustrated with Thompson's reluctancy to bring in vereran players to improve the roster.

Agreed, that has always been a fan/media criticism of TT. So after a frustrating, dysfunctional 2015 Season MM and others were cornered into explanations. Fingers were pointed, theories were cast and one of them just happened to be "TT needs to do more in Free Agency". Given this is something we (and anyone who follows the NFL) all knew about TT, for some to jump on it and say "See, even the coaches don't think TT listens" is taking liberties with their criticism of TT IMO.

 

[PackerDNA]

Are you right now the manager of a 500 person organization that is one of the top 5 most succesful in your industry in the entire country? Dont kid yourself. It is a very intense and competitive job that millions would love to have. Watching games, following the draft, and reading forums does not give you much insight into being a great GM no more than taking asprin for a headache and watching an excedrin commercial gives you an idea how to do brain surgery.

I was successful enough self employed to retire comfortably at 48. I've been successful at everything- military and civilian- I've applied myself to. So yes, no doubt I'd have been successful at anything I decided to throw myself into.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I have read some of the same articles, but they seem to center around TT and the Free Agent market. Are these same "scouts/personnel guys" unhappy with the way TT runs the Packers overall or just with his philosophy when it comes to free agents? Again, how much of this unhappiness is perceived by fans/media and how much is real? While 2015 was a dysfunctional year in so many ways, I don't see an organization with their finger on the panic button. However, if there truly is a lot of dissension with TT throughout the organization, then I'm guessing his time won't be long in GB.

There's no reason for the college scouts to be disappointed in Thompson as he has done mostly a marvelous job in that department. There are people working on the pro personnel side as well and those have for sure been frustrated by him on a number of occasions.

Agreed, that has always been a fan/media criticism of TT. So after a frustrating, dysfunctional 2015 Season MM and others were cornered into explanations. Fingers were pointed, theories were cast and one of them just happened to be "TT needs to do more in Free Agency". Given this is something we (and anyone who follows the NFL) all knew about TT, for some to jump on it and say "See, even the coaches don't think TT listens" is taking liberties with their criticism of TT IMO.

McCarthy's reaction after last season suggests that the coaching staff isn't all that thrilled about Thompson's approach. As has bern mentioned in this thread him not listening isn't the problem though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There's no reason for the college scouts to be disappointed in Thompson as he has done mostly a marvelous job in that department. There are people working on the pro personnel side as well and those have for sure been frustrated by him on a number of occasions.

No doubt the guys scouting NFL talent for the Packers are probably wondering if TT just rolls up their information and puts it on his toilet paper holder. But, this isn't new news. Those who have followed TT or even worked for him know that this is his MO. We all might be thinking that some day it will change, but I am now convinced it won't and have kind of stopped worrying about it.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

No doubt the guys scouting NFL talent for the Packers are probably wondering if TT just rolls up their information and puts it on his toilet paper holder. But, this isn't new news. Those who have followed TT or even worked for him know that this is his MO. We all might be thinking that some day it will change, but I am now convinced it won't and have kind of stopped worrying about it.

Absolutely agree that Thompson won't change. Maybe the next Packers general manager will have a different approach.

 

[Pkrjones]

Fortunately, when Eliot Wolf takes over he'll remember his wasted efforts in Pro Personnel and (hopefully) use free agency a bit more than TT.

 

[CashInFist]

Again, not offering up my opinion of the job Thompson is doing, but it would be interesting to know how many of theses "requests" are media/fan perceived and how many are true requests from positional coaches. Did Brian Angelichio say "If I am taking the job, I need an upgrade at TE?" Is Winston Moss yelling "Our ILB's are crap, I need something done!". Or are they both filling TT's ears with "You know, this guy is going to be good and I know just how to accomplish that".

I don't know the answers to these questions, but I bet TT does.

Never trust the media. All they want now are "Clicks".

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

This has been a point of contention now and then.
Could I or anyone else just show up at 1265, plop down in Ted's chair and do his job well? Of course not; we wouldn't even know where the bathrooms are.
But had I had the opportunity, decided it's what I wanted to do, and pursued it to the best of my ability, ending up as an NFL GM, there is no doubt in my mind I'd have been a very good one.

After watching Ted for almost a decade. Being a mathematical person, and a football addict. I could deffinately compete on the stage. Thats where Teds genius lies though. He did it first. set up solid rules. Lived by them. and in a extremely conservative way, has built a perenial contender. Most the GMs in the NFL are trying to copy us now.... Copying is easy. Some of us could deffinately step in and keep the ball rolling respectably. But put together a business plan against 31 other billion dollar franchises, and succeed??? Not likely.

I honestly think the GB brass has feelers out, here. As well as the media. Which one of you is Demovsky??? They would be dumb to not listen to, and gauge the Greenbay fans... We know our football. And indirectly have a say in what really happens out there on the field... Just dont get to make actual decisions. I have believed this for many years. I read one of my amazingly witty one liner WORD FOR WORD on an article, years back...Thats when I found out for sure... no BS.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

You Demovsky Pokerbrat2000?

 

[AmishMafia]

After watching Ted for almost a decade. Being a mathematical person, and a football addict. I could deffinately compete on the stage. Thats where Teds genius lies though. He did it first. set up solid rules. Lived by them. and in a extremely conservative way, has built a perenial contender. Most the GMs in the NFL are trying to copy us now.... Copying is easy. Some of us could deffinately step in and keep the ball rolling respectably. But put together a business plan against 31 other billion dollar franchises, and succeed??? Not likely.

I honestly think the GB brass has feelers out, here. As well as the media. Which one of you is Demovsky??? They would be dumb to not listen to, and gauge the Greenbay fans... We know our football. And indirectly have a say in what really happens out there on the field... Just dont get to make actual decisions. I have believed this for many years. I read one of my amazingly witty one liner WORD FOR WORD on an article, years back...Thats when I found out for sure... no BS.

Man, I have defended you numerous times when you were attacked for your opinions.

You are making it realllllly tough.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Man, I have defended you numerous times when you were attacked for your opinions.

You are making it realllllly tough.

dont defend me then. I wouldnt want your fragile ego to not be accepted by the others...

 

[PackerDNA]

No doubt the guys scouting NFL talent for the Packers are probably wondering if TT just rolls up their information and puts it on his toilet paper holder. But, this isn't new news. Those who have followed TT or even worked for him know that this is his MO. We all might be thinking that some day it will change, but I am now convinced it won't and have kind of stopped worrying about it.

Same here. I've given up, and won't be tracking cap totals and free agents next off season, as TT won't change- as a friend of mine said,"not even with a gun to his head".

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You Demovsky Pokerbrat2000?

If I told you I was, would you believe me?

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[GreenBaySlacker]

Same here. I've given up, and won't be tracking cap totals and free agents next off season, as TT won't change- as a friend of mine said,"not even with a gun to his head".

Ted is a master of what he does. I think changing his model would be a mistake...
But not bringing in Randy Moss????? That logic is broken IMO. He mussed up there. Marshawn Lynch too... he could have been better in free agency...

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

If I told you I was, would you believe me?

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I would need proof