Packers acquire a punter from the Rams

[Poppa San]

You missed what I said. They'd need to extend his contract. He wouldn't get over $4 mill next year. He'd get less than $2 mill, and they could guarantee two more years at let's say $3.5 mill, and $5 mill, which would give him $10.5 mill for 3 years guaranteed, and actually really clear $2 mill off the books for signings next year. This would allow them to ease through other transitions, and do the same in a couple of years, with him.

You don't save $2.72 cap space cutting him. You actually end up with over $2 mill dead cap, and need to replace him with someone that everyone is going to end up hating, because kicking in GB ain't that easy.

Just my opinion.

He sucks this year. You don't reward that with an extension. Cut your dead weight and move on.

 

[red4tribe]

Hopefully Crosby can turn it around these last few weeks. It's not uncommon for kickers to have down years and then to bounce back going forward. Crosby had a rough 2012 season (63.6%) and then responded with one of his best years (89.2%). Ryan Longwell was awful in 2001 but was reliable for years after that. Vinatieri actually had a pretty bad 2003 season but obviously was a stud. Robbie Gould was bad in 2019. I just think kicker is a pretty flukey position that can vary a lot from year to year. I don't want to end up like the Bears who got rid of Gould and it took them years to find a solid kicker again.

As for Bojo, I hope we can re-sign him. I can't remember the last time we had a punter as good as he is. The guy is impressive. he had a similarly strong year in 2020, so he's got a track record.

 

[Poppa San]

Hopefully Crosby can turn it around these last few weeks. It's not uncommon for kickers to have down years and then to bounce back going forward. Crosby had a rough 2012 season (63.6%) and then responded with one of his best years (89.2%). Ryan Longwell was awful in 2001 but was reliable for years after that. Vinatieri actually had a pretty bad 2003 season but obviously was a stud. Robbie Gould was bad in 2019. I just think kicker is a pretty flukey position that can vary a lot from year to year. I don't want to end up like the Bears who got rid of Gould and it took them years to find a solid kicker again.

As for Bojo, I hope we can re-sign him. I can't remember the last time we had a kicker as good as he is. The guy is impressive. he had a similarly strong year in 2020, so he's got a track record.

If Mason had a track record of being a statistically top 5 NFL kicker year after year, up until say Thanksgiving before the weather turns, I'd give him more leeway. He hasn't been much better than average for years. I'd do a 5 year deal for Bojo.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Mason had a track record of being a statistically top 5 NFL kicker year after year, up until say Thanksgiving before the weather turns, I'd give him more leeway. He hasn't been much better than average for years. I'd do a 5 year deal for Bojo.

So which top 5 NFL kicker are you planning on replacing him with?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Voyageur]

If Mason had a track record of being a statistically top 5 NFL kicker year after year, up until say Thanksgiving before the weather turns, I'd give him more leeway. He hasn't been much better than average for years. I'd do a 5 year deal for Bojo.

Being a top 5 kicker is not the criteria for judging a kicker in GB. In most places that would be a realistic view. The stadium makes a difference. Compare Crosby's kicking record to those of the opposition over those years, in Lambeau Field, and you'll see that he actually kicks better than they do on a regular basis. First article. Second article. Third article. Notice in the third article, back a few years, that Crosby was an efficient cold weather kicker.

If you take the time, you can go over the records of every kicker coming into GB on a season by season basis, and you'll find that Crosby has beat them in accuracy almost every year.

 

[swhitset]

Being a top 5 kicker is not the criteria for judging a kicker in GB. In most places that would be a realistic view. The stadium makes a difference. Compare Crosby's kicking record to those of the opposition over those years, in Lambeau Field, and you'll see that he actually kicks better than they do on a regular basis. First article. Second article. Third article. Notice in the third article, back a few years, that Crosby was an efficient cold weather kicker.

If you take the time, you can go over the records of every kicker coming into GB on a season by season basis, and you'll find that Crosby has beat them in accuracy almost every year.

Lol… I’m not disagreeing with you… but you might want to do some forum research and discover why Captain Wimm is using his current signature… and some advice… don’t bother trying to explain the salary cap to him … I don’t always agree with his opinions… but his knowledge in that area is extensive.

 

[Southside]

If you read the article that Southside posted in his self-congratulatory post, you might catch the nugget snuck in towards the bottom where it said that Bojorquez's FG holding problems 'followed him here from Buffalo.' If he devotes the same dedication to holding that he did to punting, he seems like the kind of kid that could get this figured out. However, this being his fourth season in the league, I wonder if he can at this point. We might have a very good punter who is a marginal holder. That could lower his cap hit.

The Packers devoted a 5th round pick to JK Scott, and were not rewarded. I am not confident that throwing a low round pick at a rookie punter solves anything. Having a punter that can win the field position battle is key, both for a SB run and if we have a new QB in 2022 that struggles on offense. I think that Bojorquez is a keeper no matter what.

Hey I nailed it. What's wrong with that? Are you jealous or what?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Don't you just love it when predictions come true?

From the December 9th Milwaukee Journal......

Green Bay Packers punter Corey Bojorquez is having the best season in franchise history​

Yup....you are 50/50 now.

Brian Gutekunst never seems to pull the trigger on an impact trade. God forbid they should give up a 5th round draft pick for a difference maker. Of course cap space is a legit concern.

Packers got Bojo and a 7th round pick from the Rams for a 2023 6th rounder.

 

[Poppa San]

So which top 5 NFL kicker are you planning on replacing him with?

Asking for a friend.

He's not a top 5 kicker and really hasn't consistently been one for a long time. This year he is one of the worst kickers. His recent track record does not afford him the leeway of getting an extension. His numbers this year can be duplicated by a weekly random PS level kicker. He isn't passing the eye test anymore.

 

[OldSchool101]

If you can do it perfect every time, I bet that Gutekunst would gladly pay you a bag of Doritos each game. No need to give up what's working for you

I don't like your tone Mr. .................. Although now that I think about it, mine is also getting a bit on the.. let's say... chunky side..
I'll be like the Vikings Kicker (Mitch Berger) that used to eat a Snickers bar with each Kick. Except I'll keep a bag of Doritos in my shoe.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He's not a top 5 kicker and really hasn't consistently been one for a long time. This year he is one of the worst kickers. His recent track record does not afford him the leeway of getting an extension. His numbers this year can be duplicated by a weekly random PS level kicker. He isn't passing the eye test anymore.

I don't think anyone is going to try and debate that his numbers, so far, are good this season. One might be able to debate they were great last season and who knows how they will be in the final....8 or 9 more games left thus season.

If he continues to falter, I don't think anyone, even Mason himself, would bat an eye at the Packers cutting ties with him.

 

[realitybytez]

BJ Sander

that name is painful. on multiple levels.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You missed what I said. They'd need to extend his contract. He wouldn't get over $4 mill next year. He'd get less than $2 mill, and they could guarantee two more years at let's say $3.5 mill, and $5 mill, which would give him $10.5 mill for 3 years guaranteed, and actually really clear $2 mill off the books for signings next year. This would allow them to ease through other transitions, and do the same in a couple of years, with him.

You don't save $2.72 cap space cutting him. You actually end up with over $2 mill dead cap, and need to replace him with someone that everyone is going to end up hating, because kicking in GB ain't that easy.

With Crosby struggling mightily this season the Packers definitely shouldn't extend his contract and guarantee him any additional money.

They could convert a portion of his base salary as well as the entire per game roster and workout bonus to a signing bonus and add void years to create some cap space while keeping him for another year though.

I actually made a mistake in previous post, ignoring that the Packers have to pay Crosby a minimum base salary. Therefore they could only save up to $1.824 million of cap space next season by restructuring his contract.

It is nice to see that you have finally changed your position on paying a veteran kicker.

I'm not sure I have changed my mind but rather given up explaining my point of view to some of you

So which top 5 NFL kicker are you planning on replacing him with?

Asking for a friend.

I'm sorry, Poker, but the Packers don't need to replace Crosby with a top five kicker to get similiar production out of the kicking game next season.

Being a top 5 kicker is not the criteria for judging a kicker in GB. In most places that would be a realistic view. The stadium makes a difference. Compare Crosby's kicking record to those of the opposition over those years, in Lambeau Field, and you'll see that he actually kicks better than they do on a regular basis. First article. Second article. Third article. Notice in the third article, back a few years, that Crosby was an efficient cold weather kicker.

If you take the time, you can go over the records of every kicker coming into GB on a season by season basis, and you'll find that Crosby has beat them in accuracy almost every year.

You might be surprised by the actual numbers. Since Crosby came into the league in 2007 Crosby has made 81.3% of his field goal attempts (178-of-219) at Lambeau Field from an average distance of 37.84 yards. Opposing kickers have combined to make 83.2% of their kicks (153-of-184) in Green Bay over that period with an average distance of 38.35 yards.

Lol… I’m not disagreeing with you… but you might want to do some forum research and discover why Captain Wimm is using his current signature… and some advice… don’t bother trying to explain the salary cap to him … I don’t always agree with his opinions… but his knowledge in that area is extensive.

How dare you not agreeing with me all the time???

 

[Voyageur]

Good stats information. That's 2 out of 100 better for visitors, with 1/2 yard distance as well. What doesn't show in the figures is the choices made by coaches to punt, go for it on 4th down, or try the kick. Over the years, I've watched visiting coaches opt out of attempting FGs in bad weather a lot more than I have our own coaches. Therefore, the figures could easily be a tad skewed based on weather.

In other words, since the stats are that close, it comes down to coaches perceptions, and it seems the Packer coaching staffs and front office has seen it necessary to pay him the salary they do. I can see doing a rework of it, or cutting him after this year, but the idea that he should be dumped is not realistic. Top level kickers are not that easy to find. They don't just happen along every day.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

lightning in a bottle? if he is hentrich ill b happy, if he is stachowicz yarrrrr

No, he`s Bojorquez.....it`s right there in the 1st post.

 

[sschind]

Good stats information. That's 2 out of 100 better for visitors, with 1/2 yard distance as well. What doesn't show in the figures is the choices made by coaches to punt, go for it on 4th down, or try the kick. Over the years, I've watched visiting coaches opt out of attempting FGs in bad weather a lot more than I have our own coaches. Therefore, the figures could easily be a tad skewed based on weather.

In other words, since the stats are that close, it comes down to coaches perceptions, and it seems the Packer coaching staffs and front office has seen it necessary to pay him the salary they do. I can see doing a rework of it, or cutting him after this year, but the idea that he should be dumped is not realistic. Top level kickers are not that easy to find. They don't just happen along every day.

The numbers could just as easily be more in the opponents favor if more kicks were attempted by either side.

Face it, you made a claim and it was proven wrong and now you are trying to spin it in your favor.

 

[Voyageur]

The numbers could just as easily be more in the opponents favor if more kicks were attempted by either side.

Face it, you made a claim and it was proven wrong and now you are trying to spin it in your favor.

I have no idea what "claim" I made that's wrong. I suggest you read what I've posted about this entire issue, then offer your own opinion instead of pretending you're an attack dog.

 

[red4tribe]

Crosby has kicked for a long time, but he's never really been a top kicker. Just a solid one, though he's clearly had a better second half to his career than first. I think it's sometimes easy to conflate longevity with being great.

Also, I was surprised about how bad Crosby has been on clutch kicks. I posted this on another thread, but I went back and compiled a list of every game-tying or game-winning attempt Crosby's had with under 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter (or in overtime). Overall, he's 17 out of 27 (62.9%), from an average distance of 39 yards which is just not good.

 

[Voyageur]

Crosby's clutch kicks visited

Not offering this up as a reason to not cut him, but to give a little insight on his record.

 

[sschind]

I have no idea what "claim" I made that's wrong. I suggest you read what I've posted about this entire issue, then offer your own opinion instead of pretending you're an attack dog.

How about your claim that Crosby outkicks his opponents at Lambeau. Stats show this is not correct.

Then you claim that you know what coaches are thinking when they decide not to kick a FG. I guess that claim hasn't been proven wrong I just have a hard time believing you have that kind of inside information

Trust me my post was all on my own. Captain doesn't need an attack dog

 

[milani]

Here's the part that sucks. We are enter a cap situation armageddon...and Bojo is not signed after this year.

I picture it taking around 2.5M/year base salary in a two or three year deal to keep him. I could easily see us not blink at paying him, OR roll dice on a rookie.

When punting has not been our trademark for the last 25 years he looks godlike. Sign him.

 

[Voyageur]

How about your claim that Crosby outkicks his opponents at Lambeau. Stats show this is not correct.

Then you claim that you know what coaches are thinking when they decide not to kick a FG. I guess that claim hasn't been proven wrong I just have a hard time believing you have that kind of inside information

Trust me my post was all on my own. Captain doesn't need an attack dog

First of all, I said it appears that visiting coaches opt out of FG attempts more than the Packers do in bad weather. That's a personal observation. Also, I have never said that Crosby is the greatest kicker in the league, or even in the top 5. I've simply stated that I think he's a better kicker than the observations made that just automatically kick him to the curb.

If that's a problem for you, that's tough! It's my opinion, and if the Packers didn't agree with what I've stated, Crosby would have been gone long ago. If you don't agree, that's fine, it's your opinion. You're entitled to it.

Now as for Captain, I find his posts quite accurate, and factual. In fact, I like them. He adds one helluva lot of value information to discussions. Yet, like the rest of us, he puts his pants on one leg at a time, and does have opinions that aren't always right. In fact, I pretty much agree with him across the board on Crosby. There are benefits in cutting him, but not as great as some people think. There's the cost of the replacement kicker, and the fact that you're buying a pig in a poke. Just don't know if you're going to get one that will actually be better.

 

[gopkrs]

I think the reason McCarthy kept Crosby after his really bad year was because he could kick a long field goal, which comes in very handy sometimes. Not sure that is the case now and not sure there aren't more kickers that can kick the long ones now, but he kicked a couple of long one against SF.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Good stats information. That's 2 out of 100 better for visitors, with 1/2 yard distance as well. What doesn't show in the figures is the choices made by coaches to punt, go for it on 4th down, or try the kick. Over the years, I've watched visiting coaches opt out of attempting FGs in bad weather a lot more than I have our own coaches. Therefore, the figures could easily be a tad skewed based on weather.

That's pure speculation on your part which can't be proven either way. The longer average distance by opposing kickers at Lambeau suggests there's not a whole lot truth to it though.

In other words, since the stats are that close, it comes down to coaches perceptions, and it seems the Packer coaching staffs and front office has seen it necessary to pay him the salary they do. I can see doing a rework of it, or cutting him after this year, but the idea that he should be dumped is not realistic. Top level kickers are not that easy to find. They don't just happen along every day.

I agree that top level kickers aren't easy to find. But Crosby hasn't been one for most of his career.

I have no idea what "claim" I made that's wrong. I suggest you read what I've posted about this entire issue, then offer your own opinion instead of pretending you're an attack dog.

You claimed that Crosby has beaten opposing kickers at Lambeau in accuracy almost every season since entering the league.

The numbers prove you wrong and it would have been smart to admit that. No big deal.

Also, I was surprised about how bad Crosby has been on clutch kicks. I posted this on another thread, but I went back and compiled a list of every game-tying or game-winning attempt Crosby's had with under 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter (or in overtime). Overall, he's 17 out of 27 (62.9%), from an average distance of 39 yards which is just not good.

I'm not sure where you have the stats from but according to a search on Stathead Crosby is 26-of-36 (72.2%) in those situations over his career.

First of all, I said it appears that visiting coaches opt out of FG attempts more than the Packers do in bad weather. That's a personal observation.

If that's a problem for you, that's tough!

The point sschind was trying to make is that instead of admitting you made a wrong claim you tried to bring up random reasons for why the numbers don't support it.

Now as for Captain, I find his posts quite accurate, and factual. In fact, I like them. He adds one helluva lot of value information to discussions. Yet, like the rest of us, he puts his pants on one leg at a time, and does have opinions that aren't always right.

I'm fully aware that I'm wrong just like everybody else around but unlike some others I don't have any issue admitting it.

 

[lambeaulambo]

No, he`s Bojorquez.....it`s right there in the 1st post.

How dare you post without her permission...