Packers acquire a punter from the Rams

[tynimiller]

Here's the part that sucks. We are enter a cap situation armageddon...and Bojo is not signed after this year.

I picture it taking around 2.5M/year base salary in a two or three year deal to keep him. I could easily see us not blink at paying him, OR roll dice on a rookie.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As impressed as we are with his punting, and rightly so, its kind of strange to see that he is not closer to the top. The numbers are bunching up now but I think when I looked 4 weeks ago or so there were 5 punters averaging over 50 yards per kick now there is only 1. Bojo is 9th which is pretty much where he was then but I think his numbers are pretty much the same. The others seem to be coming back to him more than he is gaining but he is 4th in net.

I am sure the punting stat gurus would tell you how to rate a punter, but I doubt its strictly on gross punting average. I wouldn't think that net is really fair to the punter, if the coverage team isn't doing their job. For me a lot of it is the "eye test". When your punter is kicking from deep in his own end, does he get off the 50+ yard kick? When he is kicking closer to mid field, does he get it inside the 15? Then return opportunities? Are his kicks high enough or angled out of bounds, that there are few returns and if there are, the coverage team is right there ready to make a tackle.

JK Scott's issue was consistency. He seemed to get some really decent punts in each game, but in between the good ones, there were also a few really bad ones. I can only remember one bad punt by Bojo this season. For the most part his punts are long enough and are placed where you would want them to be.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Here's the part that sucks. We are enter a cap situation armageddon...and Bojo is not signed after this year.

I picture it taking around 2.5M/year base salary in a two or three year deal to keep him. I could easily see us not blink at paying him, OR roll dice on a rookie.

I wonder what captainWIMM thinks of this? Do you pay top money for a proven punter Cap or roll the dice with a UDFA rookie?

 

[tynimiller]

I wonder what captainWIMM thinks of this? Do you pay top money for a proven punter Cap or roll the dice with a UDFA rookie?

I'd want to pick my rookie punter honestly and use a 7th rounder on one.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'd want to pick my rookie punter honestly and use a 7th rounder on one.

I agree. If the goal is to replace your kicker or punter with a rookie, I have always said, use a late draft pick on one of the best. Otherwise, you may be competing with several other teams to sign guys as UDFA's. I doubt that Green Bay in Nov., Dec. and Jan. is high on the list of locations that a guy that kicks a ball for a living, wants to find himself/herself.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

As impressed as we are with his punting, and rightly so, its kind of strange to see that he is not closer to the top. The numbers are bunching up now but I think when I looked 4 weeks ago or so there were 5 punters averaging over 50 yards per kick now there is only 1. Bojo is 9th which is pretty much where he was then but I think his numbers are pretty much the same. The others seem to be coming back to him more than he is gaining but he is 4th in net.

According to Football Outsiders the Packers are ranked first in the league in punting DVOA.

I wonder what captainWIMM thinks of this? Do you pay top money for a proven punter Cap or roll the dice with a UDFA rookie?

I would use the money saved by moving on from Crosby next offseason to sign Bojorquez

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

According to Football Outsiders the Packers are ranked first in the league in punting DVOA.

Thank you, thus...he met my eye test.

I would use the money saved by moving on from Crosby next offseason to sign Bojorquez

LOL...nice answer! Now if Mason was having yet another stellar year and Bojo just average, would you reverse that?

You just don't want to have to keep that signature tag for another season or 2 or 3 or......

 

[tynimiller]

Thank you, thus...he met my eye test.

LOL...nice answer! Now if Mason was having yet another stellar year and Bojo just average, would you reverse that?

You just don't want to have to keep that signature tag for another season or 2 or 3 or......

I know I'd rather not attempt to find a punter and a kicker in the same year. I concur with Capt, Mason is writing his own ending this year - which is sad because it isn't all on him but still.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I know I'd rather not attempt to find a punter and a kicker in the same year. I concur with Capt, Mason is writing his own ending this year - which is sad because it isn't all on him but still.

If his season continues as it has been, I can see the Packers cutting ties pretty quick with him. However, if he can turn it around and become the consistent K that he has been, then it will be a tougher decision. I can still see them asking if he would take a pay cut and/or bringing in at least 1 or 2 guys in to compete.

 

[El Guapo]

If you read the article that Southside posted in his self-congratulatory post, you might catch the nugget snuck in towards the bottom where it said that Bojorquez's FG holding problems 'followed him here from Buffalo.' If he devotes the same dedication to holding that he did to punting, he seems like the kind of kid that could get this figured out. However, this being his fourth season in the league, I wonder if he can at this point. We might have a very good punter who is a marginal holder. That could lower his cap hit.

The Packers devoted a 5th round pick to JK Scott, and were not rewarded. I am not confident that throwing a low round pick at a rookie punter solves anything. Having a punter that can win the field position battle is key, both for a SB run and if we have a new QB in 2022 that struggles on offense. I think that Bojorquez is a keeper no matter what.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If you read the article that Southside posted in his self-congratulatory post, you might catch the nugget snuck in towards the bottom where it said that Bojorquez's FG holding problems 'followed him here from Buffalo.' If he devotes the same dedication to holding that he did to punting, he seems like the kind of kid that could get this figured out. However, this being his fourth season in the league, I wonder if he can at this point. We might have a very good punter who is a marginal holder. That could lower his cap hit.

The Packers devoted a 5th round pick to JK Scott, and were not rewarded. I am not confident that throwing a low round pick at a rookie punter solves anything. Having a punter that can win the field position battle is key, both for a SB run and if we have a new QB in 2022 that struggles on offense. I think that Bojorquez is a keeper no matter what.

I remember reading that Bojo is a lefty, so holding for a right footed K is a bit of a challenge for him. So all the talk about his ability to hold is a part of the problem, makes sense. If it is THAT big of an issue, that is when the special teams coach really just needs to say to MLF and Barry "We need a guy that can hold, who can you spare for parts of practice to work on it?"

A 5th rounder is a pretty high price to pay for a K or P, I think we were talking more about a late 6th or 7th. Seems history hasn't been too kind to teams when they use a high pick on one of the 2 positions.

 

[El Guapo]

BJ Sander - 3rd rounder I believe in the Mike Sherman era

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

BJ Sander - 3rd rounder I believe in the Mike Sherman era

Chester Marcol - Packers 1972, 2nd round pick (#34)

Through the years teams have seen a kicker or punter that they really liked and probably overspent draft capital on them. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but that can be said about pretty much any player/position.

If there was a college K that consistently kicked 50-65 yards with unbelievable accuracy, where would he go in the draft? You just wouldn't want Bojo holding for him.

 

[El Guapo]

Chester was worth it for the glasses

 

[U.P. Packfan]

Chester was worth it for the glasses

Chester was worth it for his TD against the Bears!!!!!

 

[Firethorn1001]

BJ Sander - 3rd rounder I believe in the Mike Sherman era

That they traded up for.

Easy top 10 of one of the worst Packer draft picks in my lifetime.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That they traded up for.

Easy top 10 of one of the worst Packer draft picks in my lifetime.

That is a tough one, because they thought they were getting a generational punter with Sanders. He was the best punter in college football that year, Ray Guy award winner. He played at Ohio State, thus they thought he could kick in cold weather. Turns out he couldn't and with only 1 season as a starter in college, the Packers probably should have passed. Once you get out of round 2, its probably a crap shoot on a player at any position. Had Sanders been a HOF'er and played for the Packers for 16 seasons, the pick would have been viewed as a great move. But I agree with you, bad bad pick.

 

[OldSchool101]

IF that’s the primary issue. There’s got to be several guys who are already ST worthy who have exceptional hands for the half dozen snaps they’ll see each week.
I realize there’s some nuances of the position, but if that causing missed points? they are way overthinking the role (or under-thinking it’s importance).

We also has difficulty returning punts for years, then we sign Ervin and he put up more return yards in 1 game than the entire season. One could argue he’d need a month or so to refine his role.
He was an immediate fix. There’s guys currently sitting at home eating Doritos that can do the job better (I’d be happy to entertain any offers.. I believe I’m the man for the job and I’ll try to give up Doritos if the $ looks right)

 

[tynimiller]

IF that’s the primary issue. There’s got to be several guys who are already ST worthy who have exceptional hands for the half dozen snaps they’ll see each week.
I realize there’s some nuances of the position, but if that causing missed points? they are way overthinking the role (or under-thinking it’s importance).

We also has difficulty returning punts for years, then we sign Ervin and he put up more return yards in 1 game than the entire season. One could argue he’d need a month or so to refine his role.
He was an immediate fix. There’s guys currently sitting at home eating Doritos that can do the job better (I’d be happy to entertain any offers.. I believe I’m the man for the job and I’ll try to give up Doritos if the $ looks right)

Ervin is not healthy.

 

[El Guapo]

IF that’s the primary issue. There’s got to be several guys who are already ST worthy who have exceptional hands for the half dozen snaps they’ll see each week.
I realize there’s some nuances of the position, but if that causing missed points? they are way overthinking the role (or under-thinking it’s importance).

We also has difficulty returning punts for years, then we sign Ervin and he put up more return yards in 1 game than the entire season. One could argue he’d need a month or so to refine his role.
He was an immediate fix. There’s guys currently sitting at home eating Doritos that can do the job better (I’d be happy to entertain any offers.. I believe I’m the man for the job and I’ll try to give up Doritos if the $ looks right)

If you can do it perfect every time, I bet that Gutekunst would gladly pay you a bag of Doritos each game. No need to give up what's working for you

 

[Deleted member 6794]

LOL...nice answer! Now if Mason was having yet another stellar year and Bojo just average, would you reverse that?

Yes, of course.

You just don't want to have to keep that signature tag for another season or 2 or 3 or......

I would definitely prefer keeping that signature tag because Crosby is having another stellar season instead of him struggling.

If his season continues as it has been, I can see the Packers cutting ties pretty quick with him. However, if he can turn it around and become the consistent K that he has been, then it will be a tougher decision. I can still see them asking if he would take a pay cut and/or bringing in at least 1 or 2 guys in to compete.

I agree that the Packers should consider keeping Crosby for next year if he turns it around the rest of this season. Otherwise it's time to move on.

Chester Marcol - Packers 1972, 2nd round pick (#34)

Sebastian Janikowski - Raiders 2000, 1st round pick (#17). Actually selected before the first quarterback came off the board that year.

 

[Voyageur]

Yes, of course.



I would definitely prefer keeping that signature tag because Crosby is having another stellar season instead of him struggling.



I agree that the Packers should consider keeping Crosby for next year if he turns it around the rest of this season. Otherwise it's time to move on.



Sebastian Janikowski - Raiders 2000, 1st round pick (#17). Actually selected before the first quarterback came off the board that year.

Next year is all about following how much money is available for contracts, and where cutting costs will help insure you can put together a 53 man roster, and still have some cap room that can be used for bringing in low rent UDFAs when injuries happen. If they cut Crosby, it will be a cut based on financial needs.

Instead, they will probably renegotiate his contract to spread out the hit, and he will be kicking next year, and probably gone in 2023, possibly as late as 2024. Like I said, it's the money issue.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Next year is all about following how much money is available for contracts, and where cutting costs will help insure you can put together a 53 man roster, and still have some cap room that can be used for bringing in low rent UDFAs when injuries happen. If they cut Crosby, it will be a cut based on financial needs.

Instead, they will probably renegotiate his contract to spread out the hit, and he will be kicking next year, and probably gone in 2023, possibly as late as 2024. Like I said, it's the money issue.

There's definitely an argument to be made to cut Crosby based on his performance in 2021 as well.

The Packers could create up to $2.72 million of cap space by renegotiating his contract but would push that amount out into future years. I don't believe his play this season justifies doing that.

 

[Voyageur]

There's definitely an argument to be made to cut Crosby based on his performance in 2021 as well.

The Packers could create up to $2.72 million of cap space by renegotiating his contract but would push that amount out into future years. I don't believe his play this season justifies doing that.

You missed what I said. They'd need to extend his contract. He wouldn't get over $4 mill next year. He'd get less than $2 mill, and they could guarantee two more years at let's say $3.5 mill, and $5 mill, which would give him $10.5 mill for 3 years guaranteed, and actually really clear $2 mill off the books for signings next year. This would allow them to ease through other transitions, and do the same in a couple of years, with him.

You don't save $2.72 cap space cutting him. You actually end up with over $2 mill dead cap, and need to replace him with someone that everyone is going to end up hating, because kicking in GB ain't that easy.

Just my opinion.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree that the Packers should consider keeping Crosby for next year if he turns it around the rest of this season. Otherwise it's time to move on.

It is nice to see that you have finally changed your position on paying a veteran kicker.