Packers 2021 salary cap plan

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Guess I have no choice but to get Madden 22, I'll have so many FAs I can add to the Packers and destroy the cap.

 

[thequick12]

The salary cap for 2021 is 182.5 million the packers are currently about 9.4 million over the cap...


they can release dean Lowry and gain 3.3 million in space immediatly which I think has to be a given

they can restructure z.smith 5m roster bonus and gain 2.5 million immediatly which I think also has to be a given

they can restructure Aaron Rodgers 6.8 m roster bonus and gain 4.5 m immediatly which i think has to be a given

those 3 moves would put them just shy of 1 million under the cap allowing them the option to release Preston smith as a post June 1st cut...

they can release Preston smith and gain 8 million in cap space immediately or designate him a June 1st cut and gain 12 million of space on June 2nd. If they cant trade him one of the two will happen before the 3rd day of the league year (4m roster bonus due)

 

[Poppa San]

those 3 moves would put them just shy of 1 million under the cap allowing them the option to release Preston smith as a post June 1st cut...

And you haven't tendered any ERFA or RFA yet, IIRC all of which count immediately whether signed or not.

 

[gopkrs]

So much restructuring. I wonder if some smart guy will be able to set his team up for when all that comes due? I'm also wondering if there should be a cap on what a single player can make. It really takes away from what the rest of the ballplayers can make.

 

[RRyder]

So much restructuring. I wonder if some smart guy will be able to set his team up for when all that comes due? I'm also wondering if there should be a cap on what a single player can make. It really takes away from what the rest of the ballplayers can make.

NBA does that allready and all it does is make it so middle tier players get overpaid and increases the value of top tier guys exponentially

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The salary cap for 2021 is 182.5 million the packers are currently about 9.4 million over the cap...

they can restructure z.smith 5m roster bonus and gain 2.5 million immediatly which I think also has to be a given

they can restructure Aaron Rodgers 6.8 m roster bonus and gain 4.5 m immediatly which i think has to be a given

those 3 moves would put them just shy of 1 million under the cap allowing them the option to release Preston smith as a post June 1st cut...

they can release Preston smith and gain 8 million in cap space immediately or designate him a June 1st cut and gain 12 million of space on June 2nd. If they cant trade him one of the two will happen before the 3rd day of the league year (4m roster bonus due)

The Packers could save up to $28 million in cap space by restructuring the contracts of Rodgers and Z.

Once again, I'm pretty sure they can't designate Preston as a post June 1st cut without having to pay him the roster bonus due in March.

 

[PackerDNA]

Here's the thing. There hasn't been much done so far. Does this mean they're having difficulty coming to agreement with the players on moves, or are they putting together a lot of moves to go "all in"?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Here's the thing. There hasn't been much done so far. Does this mean they're having difficulty coming to agreement with the players on moves, or are they putting together a lot of moves to go "all in"?

The Packers don't have to make any moves until next Wednesday. Therefore them not having announced a flurry of transactions doesn't mean a whole lot.

 

[thequick12]

And you haven't tendered any ERFA or RFA yet, IIRC all of which count immediately whether signed or not.

Only rfa you'd wanna tender would be Robert tonyan and either first 4.873 m or second round 3.422 m.

1st would assure he's on the team in 2021 because nobody is giving up a 1 for him. You do the 2 and he might end up playing elsewhere in 2021. I'd go with the 1 as I think he's pretty important to Rodgers. Especially if aaron jones departs

The only erfa I'd think they need to tender is Allen Lazard that number is 850 k

We'll call it 5.7 million against the cap for Lazard and Tonyan.

They can easily restructure anyone with a big base number, Rodgers, z.smith, amos, adams,bakh etc to gain that additional 4.7 million

 

[thequick12]

Here's the thing. There hasn't been much done so far. Does this mean they're having difficulty coming to agreement with the players on moves, or are they putting together a lot of moves to go "all in"?

They don't have to "come to an agreement" with players in order to restructure their contracts. The language in the contracts allows for restructuring anytime the team wants...

 

[tynimiller]

They don't have to "come to an agreement" with players in order to restructure their contracts. The language in the contracts allows for restructuring anytime the team wants...

The discussions no doubt which are occurring would be extensions

 

[thequick12]

The Packers could save up to $28 million in cap space by restructuring the contracts of Rodgers and Z.

Once again, I'm pretty sure they can't designate Preston as a post June 1st cut without having to pay him the roster bonus due in March.

Yeah they can. Think about it if they pay the 4 m that would count against the cap and thus they would not be able to save 12 m instead of 8 m by designating him 6/1

If he's still on the roster on the 3rd day of the league year he gets his 4 m. Thus a decision on him has to be made prior to I think the 19th whether he's designated June 1st or not.

As for Rodgers and Smith I was just talking about restructuring roster bonuses because those have to be done soon...the restructures of base salary wouldn't have to be done til the space was needed for other moves

 

[thequick12]

The discussions no doubt which are occurring would be extensions

Which they don't need to do right now on any of the guys they would be restructuring.

Also of the guys they'd restructure, realistically the only guy I see them extending this off season is Adams.

Z.smith still has 2 years on his deal, Rodgers has 3, alexander has 2, amos has 2

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Only rfa you'd wanna tender would be Robert tonyan and either first 4.873 m or second round 3.422 m.

1st would assure he's on the team in 2021 because nobody is giving up a 1 for him. You do the 2 and he might end up playing elsewhere in 2021. I'd go with the 1 as I think he's pretty important to Rodgers.

I highly doubt another team would be interested in signing Tonyan to a long-term contract and give up a second round pick to do so if the Packers put that tender on him.

They don't have to "come to an agreement" with players in order to restructure their contracts. The language in the contracts allows for restructuring anytime the team wants...

You keep saying that but I haven't seen anyone post the section in the CBA stating that to be true.

Yeah they can. Think about it if they pay the 4 m that would count against the cap and thus they would not be able to save 12 m instead of 8 m by designating him 6/1

If he's still on the roster on the 3rd day of the league year he gets his 4 m. Thus a decision on him has to be made prior to I think the 19th whether he's designated June 1st or not.

Technically Preston would be on the roster on March 20th by designating him a post June 1st cut. I highly doubt the Packers wouldn't owe him the signing bonus due next week in that case.

Which they don't need to do right now on any of the guys they would be restructuring.

Also of the guys they'd restructure, realistically the only guy I see them extending this off season is Adams.

Z.smith still has 2 years on his deal, Rodgers has 3, alexander has 2, amos has 2

The Packers would save more cap space by prorating the signing bonus over the maximum of five years. In that case it would make sense to extend the players mentioned instead of just adding void years.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Here's where the Packers currently stand regarding the cap:

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[tynimiller]

Which they don't need to do right now on any of the guys they would be restructuring.

Also of the guys they'd restructure, realistically the only guy I see them extending this off season is Adams.

Z.smith still has 2 years on his deal, Rodgers has 3, alexander has 2, amos has 2

100% disagree personally on Z. If the Packers have any desire to truly save an extension to Z is something he wants and the Packers would be smart to do, especially facing some BIG contract decisions down the road with Jaire to name one.

 

[tynimiller]

Here's where the Packers currently stand regarding the cap:

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More need to understand this! Merely getting to the "cap" isn't enough to then proceed with a draft OR have a practice squad.

 

[ARPackFan]

Technically Preston would be on the roster on March 20th by designating him a post June 1st cut. I highly doubt the Packers wouldn't owe him the signing bonus due next week in that case.

I'll admit to being confused on this issue but I think designating &releasing him as a June 1 cut before his roster bonus is due avoids the $4M roster bonus. Over the Cap shows only $4M due this year and next year from the prorated signing bonus if a June 1 cut. Read through the CBA (still confused) and found the following article with the relevant portion below. I've been trying to find an example but no luck yet.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/06/the-nfls-post-june-1-cuts-explained


Free agent opportunities aside, releasing a player in the spring and designating him a post-June 1 cut can be mutually beneficial for a player and his team. It allows the player to hit the market when potential suitors still have cap room and are still looking to add free agents, and it allows the club to spread out the player’s cap charge without having to actually wait until June 1 to release him — waiting until that point could mean paying roster or workout bonuses in the interim.

 

[thequick12]

I highly doubt another team would be interested in signing Tonyan to a long-term contract and give up a second round pick to do so if the Packers put that tender on him.

Id agree with that but I'm certain of it for the 1. The 2 I'd put it at 10% chance somebody would sign him to an offer...

You keep saying that but I haven't seen anyone post the section in the CBA stating that to be true.

I don't believe it is in the cba. I believe it's written into each players individual contract at least that's the way it sounds to me.

I've heard them say it on nfl radio over and over again. I heard them say it about bakh. But they could definitely still be wrong I just don't think so.

Because it would make sense for teams to word contracts in this way. And it doesn't hurt the player at all because it's not a paycut, it's just getting your money in a lump sum instead of weekly in the case of base salary. In the case of a roster bonus restructuring that to signing bonus changes absolutely nothing from the players stand point it only affects the cap

Obviously it's the right thing to do to talk to the player about it and not just do it but I don't think there's anything contractually preventing them from operating with that kind of lack of tact

 

[thequick12]

I'll admit to being confused on this issue but I think designating &releasing him as a June 1 cut before his roster bonus is due avoids the $4M roster bonus. Over the Cap shows only $4M due this year and next year from the prorated signing bonus. Read through the CBA (still confused) and found the following article with the relevant portion below.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/06/the-nfls-post-june-1-cuts-explained


Free agent opportunities aside, releasing a player in the spring and designating him a post-June 1 cut can be mutually beneficial for a player and his team. It allows the player to hit the market when potential suitors still have cap room and are still looking to add free agents, and it allows the club to spread out the player’s cap charge without having to actually wait until June 1 to release him — waiting until that point could mean paying roster or workout bonuses in the interim.

As I said you know they don't have to pay the roster bonus or at least it doesn't count against the cap if you do because of the math we've gone over already. But I'm 99% sure they don't have to pay the money...

My understanding of June 1st cut is they are done on whatever day you cut them you just don't gain the cap space until june 2nd. But as far as I recall the player doesn't have to wait until june 2nd to sign with another team.

Looked up todd gurley...he was released 3/19/20 to avoid a date his base salary became fully guranteed. He signed with atlanta on 3/20/20

 

[Poppa San]

Technically Preston would be on the roster on March 20th by designating him a post June 1st cut. I highly doubt the Packers wouldn't owe him the signing bonus due next week in that case.

In the past I recall teams and players agreeing to delay the roster bonus until later to facilitate a trade.

 

[Pkrjones]

Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure at least a dozen of you will!) but GB only NEEDS to be under the cap by 3/17/21. The draft class allotment won't be known until after the draft (& draft-pick trades are known) in early May, so there may need to be more cap maneuvering to sign these picks.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure at least a dozen of you will!) but GB only NEEDS to be under the cap by 3/17/21. The draft class allotment won't be known until after the draft (& draft-pick trades are known) in early May, so there may need to be more cap maneuvering to sign these picks.

True, the Packers need to be under their cap of $186.2 million by March 17, 3:00 pm CT.

At that point only the top 51 contracts count towards a team's cap. They need to create enough cap space to be able to sign anyone from then on though.

 

[OldSchool101]

That Preston post June Cut is now one of the more logical avenues. That move by itself would nearly allow GB to come up for air and float. There’s going to be a surplus of veteran players at several positions this year and we’re definitely not the only team with vultures flying overhead. GB could grab some nice bargains and low cost signings due to the unknowns out there and they should be trying to trim some more fat like they did with Funchess (and Taylor last season).
From the players perspective, if I’m not a solid known quantity, I sure wouldn’t want to be a player going into a flooded FA market this season and not having anyone ask me to dance. Players’ Agents have their work cut out as it’s a buyers market. I’d exercise extra patience and make players and their agents sweat some more.

 

[tynimiller]

Lowry should be forced to take pay cut or walk...he wouldn't have much demand IMO