Overall Graft Grades, PF "experts"

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I give the D. Williams pick an A(my favorite pick of the draft) Sternberger a B(Due to overlooking other needs) and Jenkins an A which brings the the grade after the first round debacle up to a C. I lowered it to a D because overall they didn’t address the biggest need IMO.

The X factor in this whole draft is Savage and him proving to be worth not getting a premium playmaker along with getting Gary to play to his talent level which in most of these cases easier said then done.
btw...leroy butler thinks sternberger is going to be a monster.
 

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I give the D. Williams pick an A(my favorite pick of the draft) Sternberger a B(Due to overlooking other needs) and Jenkins an A which brings the the grade after the first round debacle up to a C. I lowered it to a D because overall they didn’t address the biggest need IMO.

The X factor in this whole draft is Savage and him proving to be worth not getting a premium playmaker along with getting Gary to play to his talent level which in most of these cases easier said then done.

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Your wasting your time. They will never GET IT. All they have the ability to do is regurgitate Daniel Jerimiah or Zierlien. They live in some fantasy of trying to re-invent the Baltimore Ravens. They can’t project.

This appears to be national or even global fan base on here which is fine but people in Green Bay that I have talked too(many) are not happy with this draft overall. Many believe the 1st round was an F-D GRADE all things considered and I heard the name PARRIS CAMPBELL come out of several mouths without me even mentioning him. I can’t speak for other parts of Wisconsin but the mood here isn’t all that great. Nobody feels like we one anything when it comes to the draft. There are some that have a glimmering hope that Savage will become a premiere safety but temper expectations with that taking time.

The Packers late round picks IMO pushed this draft to a C GRADE but then it gets pushed down back to SOLID D for failing to address the biggest need which is get Aaron Rodgers some weapons. Something they did when this team was SUCCESSFUL. We truly missed a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY and it will be felt. Make no mistake about that.
Just out of curiosity, exactly how many of the 100k population of Green Bay have you spoken too about this?
 

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I’ve got a hunch. It just may be that there is a strategy here that consists of drafting heavy on D in order to get the ball back to Aaron who is the master of making teams pay.
I feel more confident in Gutenkunst/Pettine's plan than I did in Thompson/Capers, who just seemed to spin their wheels. Gute seems to have a more coherent plan for the defense.

The offense still needs help though. It's been noted there have been too many three and outs the past several years. A lot of this rests on whether or not Rodgers can stay healthy, which is a major concern.
 

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You can laugh it up all you want. Nobody is going to be laughing if anything happens to Adams. This whole off-season has us heading into the biggest boom or bust season I can recall.
 

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You can laugh it up all you want. Nobody is going to be laughing if anything happens to Adams. This whole off-season has us heading into the biggest boom or bust season I can recall.

Doubling up, I see ...

- I bet, had The FO drafted heavily on offensive players, you’d Be singing The exact same tune ... only this time complaining about how The defense still wasnt being adressed ... :rolleyes:
 

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Just out of curiosity, exactly how many of the 100k population of Green Bay have you spoken too about this?

You can be a smart *** all you want. I have yet to talk to one person about this draft that is overly thrilled. I'm obviously not going DOOR TO DOOR and doing surveys but the mood is far from total excitement. More HEAD SCRATCHING actually.

Gute went complete BOOM OR BUST in this off-season. Time will tell if it pays off.
 

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You can be a smart *** all you want. I have yet to talk to one person about this draft that is overly thrilled. I'm obviously not going DOOR TO DOOR and doing surveys but the mood is far from total excitement. More HEAD SCRATCHING actually.

Gute went complete BOOM OR BUST in this off-season. Time will tell if it pays off.
Are those real people, or the ones in your head?

That's not a slam, but really worried about you.. Because there are people Here at PF thrilled..


I have seen numerous b's, few c's some A's, but other than one? Maybe 2 were d's

Again. I think your a troll
 

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You can laugh it up all you want. Nobody is going to be laughing if anything happens to Adams. This whole off-season has us heading into the biggest boom or bust season I can recall.

Hey I get it, you and quite a few other people, including myself, thought that the Packers were in dire need of a WR in Free Agency or the draft. But guess what, I think Gute and the Packers must feel differently. I didn't hear one concrete report that they were serious about any FA WR's, nor did they use a single draft pick on a WR. They had two shots at taking any WR they wanted in the draft and a third shot picking one from a group that only 3 had been selected from, but they didn't.

So from all that, I have to conclude that they are pretty happy with the current group and are moving forward with it. I also doubt drafting Parris Campbell or pretty much any of the WR's available in the draft would have been an immediate upgrade over Adams, Allison, MVS and EQ. It would have just been another young guy, that would have to work his way into the offense and an already pretty talented group of young WR's.
 

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anybody drafted would just be potential. and though they may have different skill sets than some of the people we already have, I don't really see their potential as being more. There are question marks with all of them just drafted and the ones we drafted last year. But physically, those guys are loaded with potential. I get why people were so excited for Parris, but he's also not shown a ton when you think about it either. If all you can do is take a gadget play at or behind the LOS and out athlete a bunch of guys that never had a chance at the NFL, you'll have a few highlights but be largely invisible on a down in and out basis in the NFL.

I haven't seen really anything of him running a route, beating a jam, and catching anything down field. If you can't do that in the NFL, he's going to find it tough living at the LOS against defenses where a linebacker will actually make him go wider and defenses are fast enough to close his space down a heck of a lot quicker than college defenses. I wouldn't say he was just a gadget player, but he also isn't an NFL ready receiver either and he may just be missing some big parts. he never had to do it in college, so nobody ever got to see it.

and for the love of God can someone please take care of those ****ing ads that keep taking the curser out of the reply boxes. I'm like a pirate with wheel on my belt over here.
 

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and for the love of God can someone please take care of those ******* ads that keep taking the curser out of the reply boxes. I'm like a pirate with wheel on my belt over here.


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You can be a smart *** all you want. I have yet to talk to one person about this draft that is overly thrilled. I'm obviously not going DOOR TO DOOR and doing surveys but the mood is far from total excitement. More HEAD SCRATCHING actually.

Gute went complete BOOM OR BUST in this off-season. Time will tell if it pays off.

But didn't you say in the Antonio Brown thread THEY NEED TO WIN NOW!!!!!!!

And now you are mad that they went Boom or Bust to do possibly exactly what you said...TO WIN NOW!!!
 

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In the last 15 or so years, the Packers never seemed to enter the off-season with quite as many holes as they seemed to have in the last 3-4 seasons. I won't rehash why I think all those holes suddenly existed or weren't perceived to be holes, but I think this was one of the better off seasons in a long time. I include everything done since basically the Cardinals game as positive steps towards getting the Packers back on a track that they were pretty well derailed from.

While I will remember TT for his work from 2005 until about 2012, after that he really started to let the place go.
 

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Funny to me that anyone can grade a draft pick that hasn't played a down in the NFL. Guys that do it for a living are probably right 30% (I admittedly have no idea what the real percentage is) of the time yet people supposedly in the know report it like it's gospel. All this hoopla is nothing more than something to keep the fans attention in a mundane off season. If a kid can't play, we will know soon enough. If that same kid can play, the experts will say that they knew it all along. Grades for drafts are stupid. It's like 2 old men in the park talking about the weather, good conversation but rather useless.
 

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I'll move it back to the general admin thread where I mentioned it before.

it was just in that response, 5 times it changed ads and took my cursor out of the reply box. It's done it once already in this one.

I'm running a Mac with updated chrome browser. it's when certain ads pop up on the side. I'm scanned for malware with malware bytes and it detects nothing.
 

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I'll move it back to the general admin thread where I mentioned it before.

it was just in that response, 5 times it changed ads and took my cursor out of the reply box. It's done it once already in this one.

I'm running a Mac with updated chrome browser. it's when certain ads pop up on the side. I'm scanned for malware with malware bytes and it detects nothing.

Is it a mac book ? And if so, how old ?
Might be a problem with your mouse-pad ? If you use both Hands while writing your weight (hands) Will put pressure on The mouse pad ... it Can be fixed, but you need to open your Macbook ...

Thats assuming your using a laptop ... ?
 

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no, I mac,
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017)
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16 GB 2400 MHz DDR4

it's the has the latest mouse

but it's the ads, i have zero issues anywhere else and it's the bright roll ad for sure. Everytime it pops up, my cursor goes away and I have to move it back over to the reply box. I just had it happen with a lexus ad too. It's not all of them, but there are certain ones.

only been going on for a week or 2.
 
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I think the way you go about staffing any team changes through the course of time, similarly to coaching and often directly related to it. Systems or concepts successfully employed 15 years ago may not necessarily work in today’s environment. Couple that with a fact that with success comes complacency, only the elite are able to push on and demand more after tasting it. The best examples are guys like Lombardi or Bill Belicheck. They get better with time (wear well) and are able to hold on to the wheel of success without wrecking.

It’s not an easy feat to reach the top and hold it at that level. I do appreciate what TT, Dom Capers and MM did for us earlier in their careers, but this is an evolving game and you’ve got to roll with the punches and they each eventually got caught on the ropes of complacencies.

Gute has it doubly difficult, he has to erase or manage what’s been mismanaged while simultaneously doing his primary job of holding on to the wheel and steering into a different direction.
We see evidence of the former with the Amos and Smiths’ additions this offseason.
 
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