Official week 6 game thread: J-E-T-S jets jets jets.

[milani]

Not really fair to compare a coach against the best ever. If that’s the benchmark then every coach sucks (cept Belichick of course).

But you learn from that. You emulate. And learn fast. Bill Walsh had many offspring that did well by that. I do not think our staff produces a solid game plan and gets our team to decipher it. Today, the Jets looked like green men from Mars who said take me to your leader. And we did...And they destroyed him.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think it starts more with the coaching staff. Belichick has had a lesser roster the last few years and his teams are still competitive. He makes something out of nothing. His teams have a serious game plan for every opponent. And his teams play with pride. Our team does not have intensity, focus and desire to go 60 minutes.

100% agreed. Our biggest problem is coaching. It is very clear. Time for big changes.

Time to invest heavily in to best positional coaching stuff possible starting with HC DC and O-line.

In my opinion Gutekunst deserves most of the blame for the lack of talent at wide receiver and tight end. It seems the front office was under the impression the offense will somehow be able to perform at the same level as they did in seven games without Adams over the past three seasons. That was unrealistic to begin with but resulted in the general manager not addressing those positions with enough talent during the offseason.

 

[tynimiller]

In my opinion Gutekunst deserves most of the blame for the lack of talent at wide receiver and tight end. It seems the front office was under the impression the offense will somehow be able to perform at the same level as they did in seven games without Adams over the past three seasons. That was unrealistic to begin with but resulted in the general manager not addressing those positions with enough talent during the offseason.

I actually have to say Tonyan, Deguara and Lewis are possibly the most consistent delivery of production right now vs expectations.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

But you learn from that. You emulate. And learn fast. Bill Walsh had many offspring that did well by that. I do not think our staff produces a solid game plan and gets our team to decipher it. Today, the Jets looked like green men from Mars who said take me to your leader. And we did...And they destroyed him.

Yeah, and MLF is not the best defensive coach in history like Bill. Bill has always had great defensive players while MLF has no good players to catch passes downfield. It's like saying Bill could field a great defense with a terrible secondary. MLF has certainly screwed the pooch a few times this year but that's what happens when you're throwing everything you can against the wall because you're team is seriously deficient at a really important position group.

 

[OldSchool101]

In my opinion Gutekunst deserves most of the blame for the lack of talent at wide receiver and tight end. It seems the front office was under the impression the offense will somehow be able to perform at the same level as they did in seven games without Adams over the past three seasons. That was unrealistic to begin with but resulted in the general manager not addressing those positions with enough talent during the offseason.

I believe yesterday had more to do with Injuries (missing Cobb, Watson and Watkins) AND poor OL play.

 

[Packerbacker1996]

Yeah, and MLF is not the best defensive coach in history like Bill. Bill has always had great defensive players while MLF has no good players to catch passes downfield. It's like saying Bill could field a great defense with a terrible secondary. MLF has certainly screwed the pooch a few times this year but that's what happens when you're throwing everything you can against the wall because you're team is seriously deficient at a really important position group.

With the O-line playing the way it is you can't blame it on receivers and can't expect to run the hall effectively either.
Not to mention you cam see this team has issues in all 3 phases of the game.

This tells me there is a serious issue at the HC positions amongst others.

HC especially because thd team looks in total disarray. It is as if they don't respect Lafleur as a man or as a coach and whatever they are hearing him say they are not buying in.

Total lock of focus and general disinterest and lock of pride, energy.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

With the O-line playing the way it is you can't blame it on receivers and can't expect to run the hall effectively either.
Not to mention you cam see this team has issues in all 3 phases of the game.

This tells me there is a serious issue at the HC positions amongst others.

HC especially because thd team looks in total disarray. It is as if they don't respect Lafleur as a man or as a coach and whatever they are hearing him say they are not buying in.

Total lock of focus and general disinterest and lock of pride, energy.

Three options:

1) MLF forgot how to coach after being a terrific coach for three straight years (a late-round rookie receiver and an assortment of #3 receivers made huge leaps and the coach is ignoring their obvious skill and this is causing the offense to fall apart
2) The late-round rookie receiver and said assortment of #3 receivers have not, in fact, suddenly become above-average reliable receivers
3) An awful guard and mediocre center aren't playing at a high level and defenses are crowding the line because the offense has no deep-passing game threat and, because there are lots of players close to the line, stunts and blitzes are more easily disguised and harder to block

Why does everyone just assume it's #1? It's probably a combination of all of them but it makes far more logical sense that 2 & 3 are the biggest contributors rather than MLF inexplicably forgetting how to design an offense.

 

[Packerbacker1996]

Three options:

1) MLF forgot how to coach after being a terrific coach for three straight years (a late-round rookie receiver and an assortment of #3 receivers made huge leaps and the coach is ignoring their obvious skill and this is causing the offense to fall apart
2) The late-round rookie receiver and said assortment of #3 receivers have not, in fact, suddenly become above-average reliable receivers
3) An awful guard and mediocre center aren't playing at a high level and defenses are crowding the line because the offense has no deep-passing game threat and, because there are lots of players close to the line, stunts and blitzes are more easily disguised and harder to block

Why does everyone just assume it's #1? It's probably a combination of all of them but it makes far more logical sense that 2 & 3 are the biggest contributors rather than MLF inexplicably forgetting how to design an offense.

There is multitude of issue that are compounding the problem.
However you look at great coached like Bilichick and Mike Tomlin can still keep there teams focused ready and able to compete with subpar rosters and 3rd string QBs. MLF clearly cannot.
He 8s a weak character and overrated coach that has prospered off of Rodgers and Adams last few years and not it is becoming clear that he can't keep this team rogheder.

Time for new HC DC OLC and maybe few others. This team is not going anywhere this season. But we can look forward to better draft pics I guess.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

There is multitude of issue that are compounding the problem.
However you look at great coached like Bilichick and Mike Tomlin can still keep there teams focused ready and able to compete with subpar rosters and 3rd string QBs. MLF clearly cannot.
He 8s a weak character and overrated coach that has prospered off of Rodgers and Adams last few years and not it is becoming clear that he can't keep this team rogheder.

Time for new HC DC OLC and maybe few others. This team is not going anywhere this season. But we can look forward to better draft pics I guess.

I know it's fun to believe that only ONE person can be swapped out and everything will be better but there is no coach that could design a great offense around the very limited receiving options the Packers currently have. The Packers still have one of the better deep ball throwers in the league (PFF currently has him as the 8th best) while their completion percent on throws 15+ yards downfield is lower than the freaking Bears! They've thrown the ball 15+ yards downfield 37 times this season and on those throws downfield, PFF has charted that only FIVE were to receivers who were open, dead last in the NFL. To have a good offense, a team MUST be able to throw the ball downfield or have amazing YAC guys. Until Doubs or Watson start to show massive leaps in development, the Packers offense is going to be terrible because Gute ignored the receiving group for so long.

 

[milani]

Yeah, and MLF is not the best defensive coach in history like Bill. Bill has always had great defensive players while MLF has no good players to catch passes downfield. It's like saying Bill could field a great defense with a terrible secondary. MLF has certainly screwed the pooch a few times this year but that's what happens when you're throwing everything you can against the wall because you're team is seriously deficient at a really important position group.

Not really. The Pats never had an Adrian Peterson or a Walter Payton yet they ran the ball well consistently. They had many short term pass catchers that were good but outside of Gronk how many go to the HOF. Even on defense he had Lawyer Milloy, Wilie McG, and Teddy B. But it was team defense. You do not beat Peyton Manning that many times because of a few defensive stars. You do it by scheming, game planning, dialing down, reviewing worst case scenarios. And then you hold players and assistants accountable. Belichick never buried himself in one phase of the game. No HC should. Do you think BB would have tolerated a ST like the one we had in 2021? Not a chance. He would have been all over it relentlessly once he saw the weakness. May not have perfected it but some heads would have been chopped before the off season.
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[gopkrs]

There is multitude of issue that are compounding the problem.
However you look at great coached like Bilichick and Mike Tomlin can still keep there teams focused ready and able to compete with subpar rosters and 3rd string QBs. MLF clearly cannot.
He 8s a weak character and overrated coach that has prospered off of Rodgers and Adams last few years and not it is becoming clear that he can't keep this team rogheder.

Time for new HC DC OLC and maybe few others. This team is not going anywhere this season. But we can look forward to better draft pics I guess.

I like what you say but I see the reasoning the opposite way. I think they are doing what they are told to do and it isn't working. And the coaches won't change what they see working on the chalkboard. Except Nixon who returned a KO really well, maybe was told to down it, and so we didn't see him again.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I actually have to say Tonyan, Deguara and Lewis are possibly the most consistent delivery of production right now vs expectations.

While that might be true because the expectations were pretty low for the group to start with they aren't making enough impact for the offense to be successful.

I believe yesterday had more to do with Injuries (missing Cobb, Watson and Watkins) AND poor OL play.

Cobb played the entire first half before getting injured but was a non-factor. The Packers would have definitely benefitted from having both Watkins and Watson available but injuries are part of the game. I agree the offensive line was terrible and significantly contributed to the offense struggling.

 

[milani]

While that might be true because the expectations were pretty low for the group to start with they aren't making enough impact for the offense to be successful.



Cobb played the entire first half before getting injured but was a non-factor. The Packers would have definitely benefitted from having both Watkins and Watson available but injuries are part of the game. I agree the offensive line was terrible and significantly contributed to the offense struggling.

And Cobb gets hurt on a running play of all things.

 

[Mondio]

And Cobb gets hurt on a running play of all things.

I thought Jones was going to get hurt on that play too. He got blown up.

 

[milani]

I thought Jones was going to get hurt on that play too. He got blown up.

The Jets came off the ball so fast that our whole offense was in shock.

 

[gopkrs]

While that might be true because the expectations were pretty low for the group to start with they aren't making enough impact for the offense to be successful.

They only started throwing to Tonyan this last game and were successful. The other two they barely try to install them into pass receiving options. And routes for Tonyan and Deguara should at minimum be 50% towards the middle of the field. imho

 

[Deleted member 6794]

They only started throwing to Tonyan this last game and were successful. The other two they barely try to install them into pass receiving options.

Tonyan caught a lot of passes against the Jets but most of them weren't successful plays. It shouldn't surprise anyone Lewis is solely used as a blocker at this stage in his career.