Official GB vs Pat's, studs n duds

[BrokenArrow]

The roughing the kicker call on 4th and 22...

You mean the running into the kicker penalty that was wrongly called roughing? Even Mike Pereira said it was BS.

 

[rmontro]

I think if you take into account the horrible offensive line play, Rodgers gets the nod.

I get your point, but only a homer could say Rodgers outplayed Brady in this game.
Come crunch time, in the fourth quarter Brady was perfect: Six for six for 104 yards and a 158.3 passer rating.

Meanwhile Rodgers regressed: Two for seven for 15 yards and a 39.6 passer rating.
The Packers looked like they had given up, or more accurately, had been beaten into submission.
Brady only solidified his legacy here.

 

[906Fan]

Think Tonyan will still play on special teams after he ran into a kicker?

 

[grampi]

You mean the running into the kicker penalty that was wrongly called roughing? Even Mike Pereira said it was BS.

I thought the NFL did away with the running into the kicker penalty? Isn't the rule now either a roughing call, or nothing at all, or did they bring back the running into the kicker call? Either way, that should not have been a roughing penalty...

 

[Heyjoe4]

Difference in this game.....the play calling of Josh McDaniels VS. That of Joe Philbin Mike McCarthy.

One is creative and ever changing, the other is predictable and stuck.

Yeah and the only proof you need is that flicker/screen they ran late in the game. That was brilliantly executed. I’ve never seen a screen play with so many blockers ahead of the ball carrier. When is the last time the Packers did anything creative? They’ve become predictable, and even with a HOF QB, defenses know what’s coming. That’s on the “offensive genius” MM. Ship him to Cleveland for Myles Garrett and lets allow the MM to end sooner rather than later.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I thought the NFL did away with the running into the kicker penalty? Isn't the rule now either a roughing call, or nothing at all, or did they bring back the running into the kicker call? Either way, that should not have been a roughing penalty...

No it was the 5 yard face mask they did away with years ago.

 

[easyk83]

Maybe we can invoke Captain into some stat checking, but if I had to guess, we have committed far more pass interference penalties than we have been on the receiving end of. Is this a trained "skill" that receivers from other teams are taught, "how to solicit an interference call" and our receivers are not being taught it? These are subtle coaching things, such as punching the ball out of a ball carriers hands, that it seems like we lack and other teams don't. But I acknowledge, my memory might be biased and a bit skewed in the current state of mind that I am viewing this team.

Just make a statistical claim, he'll be around shortly to correct you

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Think Tonyan will still play on special teams after he ran into a kicker?

Who else they got? While it was a mistake on his part, I think most are in agreement, it wasn't the 15 yard variety that they called. He will keep playing on special teams.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Studs
MVS - this young guy is really sprouting. hard to see him produce and the rest of the corps play average.
D-line- these guys attempted to stuff the inside and did an admirable job, the outside is just deplorable(LBs).
Mike Pettine- he called a great game plan for the most part. Brady was average.


Duds
Devante Adams - only a mini dud, however, Gilmore threw him around quite a few times and appeared to get to him.
O-line- honestly the pass pro was unbelievably poor, the run blocking was pretty good. Weird
Perry/Matthews - got owned on the outside. terrible group of OLBs here now
McCarthy-once again is not addressing the discipline this team seems to lack.
Joe Philbin- this chuck n duck rely on Rodgers stuff is so played. His run calls were good - it isn't fair when AJ doesnt see 20 carries a game, I know he fumbled but that happens and this game it was at the pt in the game where you cannot afford it. He needs to be SO MUCH MORE creative than what he is calling - it is stale seen it a thousand times type stuff. Patriots can be had v the pass and he again shotguns single back. Nothing confusing there at all.
Tramon Williams - cannot give him a full dud. He is learning the FS position on the fly - he will improve.

All in all, a very frustrating stretch for this team, it could be really cumbersome trying to make it to the post season. In Minny and Chicago? ugh. All of them are must wins now or its golf for the team in January. Yuck.

 

[OldSchool101]

If throwing 2 yard passes on 3rd and 10 or 40 yard passes on 3rd and 2 is "fundamental football", than I think MM needs to rethink his fundamentals. Yes, I am aware that those decisions aren't always as a result of the play called by MM.

The behavior of going for the long pass on 3rd n short has been a pattern going back a few years now. It has failed far more often than it has worked.
This week we threw a slow developing screen while NE had 10 in the box and got the LOS, which happened to be our own 6 yard line.

Then on 3rd down we needed 2 yards and we launched a 35+ yard pass to Cobb! who incidentally was smothered the entire way down the field.
All this while Aaron Jones is averaging 6 yards per carry?

I appreciate taking a shot once in awhile, but in that situation when we’re backed up inside our own 10 yard line, moving the chains is paramount. We were doing such a good job of controlling the clock and moving the chains and winning field position and it’s like we had a brain fart and just chucked it up for grabs to a 5’10 Wideout?
If we wanna go jump ball fine but at least go Randy Moss style and pick a player over
5’10 1/4 !!

 

[azrsx05]

Just cut King now and avoid everyone's troubles down the line This will be teddy's last bust. The guy is weak and he sucks at 1x1 coverage. He is constantly injured, he can't cover anyone and he's just not meant for the NFL. Alexander is light years ahead of what king will ever become..
.p.s stop drafting softies from the Pac12.

 

[adambr2]

The roughing the punter call was bad.

However, it had nothing to do with the final outcome of the game.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Just to clarify for those criticizing Graham. While he hasn't had as many touchdowns as a lot of fans expected he is on pace for 64 catches and 850 receiving yards. Those numbers would set new franchise records for a tight end.

Well I'd like to see more throws out of running sets and more runs out of passing sets.

Like the one the Packers trotted out four tight ends in the red zone and threw the ball??? Didn't work out either.

Maybe we can invoke Captain into some stat checking, but if I had to guess, we have committed far more pass interference penalties than we have been on the receiving end of.

According to nflpenalties.com the Packers have been called four times for defensive pass interference for a total of 45 yards while being the beneficiary of two such calls for 42 yards this season.

 

[thequick12]

Jimmy Graham, by now he should have showed us why they gave him the money the word Bust was made for his position...

Ghraham is having a good year. He's on pace for 64 catches 850 yards 13.3 per catch and 4 tds. Which would be a record year for a Packers te.

 

[PackerDNA]

Captain WIMM, you are a site treasure. I didn't even know there was an NFL penalties. Com.

 

[Mondio]

Just cut King now and avoid everyone's troubles down the line This will be teddy's last bust. The guy is weak and he sucks at 1x1 coverage. He is constantly injured, he can't cover anyone and he's just not meant for the NFL. Alexander is light years ahead of what king will ever become..
.p.s stop drafting softies from the Pac12.

yeah, that Kenny Clark is a *****...

anyway, the injuries are frustrating, mostly because he can cover and it's important to have him out there.

 

[PackerDNA]

Speaking of King, just saw where he's already listed is unlikely to play against Miami. And it's only Tuesday morning.

 

[Mondio]

Speaking of King, just saw where he's already listed is unlikely to play against Miami. And it's only Tuesday morning.

I'm not going to call the guy an iron man that's for sure. The injuries are incredibly frustrating and I'm quickly losing faith he can be relied upon going forward. Give Jackson, Alexander and King 10 healthy games together and everyone would be talking about them. But king can't string together 10 quarters, he can't even finish 4 it seems.

But the notion that he can't cover when in there, is horse ****. He had a couple great pass breakups where they tried to target him deep and he reached up with those arms and defensed it perfectly in just the past 2 weeks. I understand not liking that he is always injured, but don't go making stuff up.

 

[PackerDNA]

I'm not going to call the guy an iron man that's for sure. The injuries are incredibly frustrating and I'm quickly losing faith he can be relied upon going forward. Give Jackson, Alexander and King 10 healthy games together and everyone would be talking about them. But king can't string together 10 quarters, he can't even finish 4 it seems.

But the notion that he can't cover when in there, is horse ****. He had a couple great pass breakups where they tried to target him deep and he reached up with those arms and defensed it perfectly in just the past 2 weeks. I understand not liking that he is always injured, but don't go making stuff up.

He's definitely a good one when he plays with a lot of potential. I always thought of him as kind of thin and frail looking. Maybe he's just not cut out for the NFL.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Maybe we can invoke Captain into some stto sat checking, but if I had to guess, we have committed far more pass interference penalties than we have been on the receiving end of. Is this a trained "skill" that receivers from other teams are taught, "how to solicit an interference call" and our receivers are not being taught it?

There's also defensive holding and illegal contact. Regardless, your conjecture is a huge reach. The receiver is occupied with getting separation and then catching the ball. There isn't any room for "baiting" a PI call. I can't remember ever seeing a play where I thought a receiver accomplished that. On an underthrown or contested ball, the receiver might try to shield off the defender, but the object is to catch it.

The closest thing to a receiver skill in drawing a PI is pursuasive *****ing after the fact. When you've seen that late flag come out, it sure looks like the official was unsure with the complaint tipping the balance. However, in the last couple of years it seems to me those post-complaint late calls are getting rarer. Maybe there's been league guidance to officials to go with the first take and not react to the *****ing. That would be a good thing.

 

[Ken smith]

On going story of "Who is better Rodgers or Brady?" was fully on display last night....AR may "look better", but in the end Wins and Losses are what most people remember.

You are right. I’m thinking about dan Marino, Archie Manning, Lynn ****ey.... it’s definitely a team sport.

 

[Ken smith]

I get your point, but only a homer could say Rodgers outplayed Brady in this game.
Come crunch time, in the fourth quarter Brady was perfect: Six for six for 104 yards and a 158.3 passer rating.

Meanwhile Rodgers regressed: Two for seven for 15 yards and a 39.6 passer rating.
The Packers looked like they had given up, or more accurately, had been beaten into submission.
Brady only solidified his legacy here.

I get your point. Btw... Brady was also 0 for 8 at one point. Always hard to judge. AR who really had a solid game despite being on the run the entire game. Or Brady who was able to stick to a great game plan against a Swiss cheese defense. Only the final score matters. Remember Trent dilfer taking the bucs to the Super Bowl? Horrible qb numbers, but he was great at protecting the ball and managing the game.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There's also defensive holding and illegal contact. Regardless, your conjecture is a huge reach. The receiver is occupied with getting separation and then catching the ball. There isn't any room for "baiting" a PI call. I can't remember ever seeing a play where I thought a receiver accomplished that. On an underthrown or contested ball, the receiver might try to shield off the defender, but the object is to catch it.

The closest thing to a receiver skill in drawing a PI is pursuasive *****ing after the fact. When you've seen that late flag come out, it sure looks like the official was unsure with the complaint tipping the balance. However, in the last couple of years it seems to me those post-complaint late calls are getting rarer. Maybe there's been league guidance to officials to go with the first take and not react to the *****ing. That would be a good thing.

Maybe I gave credit to the wrong position for the ability to draw PI calls

https://nesn.com/2015/01/bill-belichick-patriots-wont-fall-into-joe-flaccos-pass-interference-trap/

Whether my "conjecture" has no merit to you, I have watched many games where announcers watch a reply and comment on things that the receiver did correctly to draw the PI call. Whether the receivers were doing it intentionally or not, is strictly conjecture.

 

[Mondio]

They definitely do things to draw penalties. It seems this year they aren't calling it as often, and for that I'm very grateful. Even if it means Kendricks gets his arms hacked down before the ball gets there, but part of that is his fault. Go up and get the ball. Attack it. It's your's, go get it. He didn't, IMO he shouldn't get any call. I'm much happier watching a league that allows some semblance of defense to be played in the secondary with all the hand checking and pushing they allowed the offensive players to get away with over the years.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They definitely do things to draw penalties. It seems this year they aren't calling it as often, and for that I'm very grateful. Even if it means Kendricks gets his arms hacked down before the ball gets there, but part of that is his fault. Go up and get the ball. Attack it. It's your's, go get it. He didn't, IMO he shouldn't get any call. I'm much happier watching a league that allows some semblance of defense to be played in the secondary with all the hand checking and pushing they allowed the offensive players to get away with over the years.

Agreed and I won't take us down the slippery slope of talking about 20 - 50 yard penalties, that happen in the NFL under the assumption a ball would have been caught. Needless to say, I am much happier seeing less PI calls and just letting them play.