New Proposed Kick-Off Rule

[GBkrzygrl]

I think I understand in general what they are proposing regarding the kick-offs. I haven't decided what I think about that yet. But with the idea of notifying the other team when you are doing an onside kick...I don't understand how that is supposed to be helpful. I'm not crazy about it. Wasn't the point that it is supposed to be a surprise? I don't recall many players being hurt on that play.

Thoughts?

 

[gopkrs]

Yes, I agree. It should be part of the game. Why not go back to the old way?

 

[Firethorn1001]

They won't go back to the old way because they were pounding the table it was for player safety so, you go back and people will say the NFL doesn't care about player safety.

At this point, if they aren't going back to the way it was just scrap it and go to some type of '4th and X' play at the 25. Pick a percent you want to be successful (10%) and then find out historically in the last 5 years or so what 3rd/4th distance for a 1st down matches that percent. If historically only 10% of 3rd or 4th and 20 get a 1st down, well.. then the team has 4th and 20 at the 25. Get a 1st and your 'onside kick' was successful and you continue on. No? Turnover on downs.

Better theater than this nonsensical 1% onside chance

 

[sschind]

They won't go back to the old way because they were pounding the table it was for player safety so, you go back and people will say the NFL doesn't care about player safety.

At this point, if they aren't going back to the way it was just scrap it and go to some type of '4th and X' play at the 25. Pick a percent you want to be successful (10%) and then find out historically in the last 5 years or so what 3rd/4th distance for a 1st down matches that percent. If historically only 10% of 3rd or 4th and 20 get a 1st down, well.. then the team has 4th and 20 at the 30. Get a 1st and your 'onside kick' was successful and you continue on. No? Turnover on downs.

Better theater than this nonsensical 1% onside chance

Just a couple of questions about your idea.

You have a 4th and 20 situation at the 30. Meaning you have to reach midfield to continue. Say the pass was incomplete or short of midfield. Where does the defending team get the ball?

Say your play gets you to the 25 or even a TD. Does that play stand? Or do you get the ball 1st and 10 at the 50. If the former I can see more teams going for it as it essentially adds an offensive play.

 

[Firethorn1001]

You have a 4th and 20 situation at the 30. Meaning you have to reach midfield to continue. Say the pass was incomplete or short of midfield. Where does the defending team get the ball?

Say your play gets you to the 25 or even a TD. Does that play stand? Or do you get the ball 1st and 10 at the 50. If the former I can see more teams going for it as it essentially adds an offensive play.

If I was the rules god..

1. Defending team would get the ball wherever it ends up. Same as for an onside kick.

2. Given you can't advance the ball on an onside kick, I'd say put the ball back to the 'recovery' point which would either be the point of the 1st down or where the receiver caught the ball. So effectively only way to score a TD is to chuck it to where the receiver would be standing in the end zone or the defense gets a turnover then subsequently fumbles and the offense scoops and scores.

 

[DoURant]

Teams must have optimism on the new KO rule. Steelers just signed Cordarrelle Patterson to a 2yr deal

 

[Schultz]

IMO this could somewhat explain the previously unexplainable contract that the Pack gave Nixon.

 

[gopkrs]

It's going to be interesting to see.

 

[PikeBadger]

Teams must have optimism on the new KO rule. Steelers just signed Cordarrelle Patterson to a 2yr deal

I think this rule is part of the reason Nixon scored so well in free agency. Packers management knew this rule was coming to the table and the reasons why.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm still getting up to speed on the new kickoff rules. I have attached a link to the new rules below.

If onside kicks were difficult to recover under the "old-new" rules, these New rules make it almost impossible. It will be interesting to watch what teams do to try and accomplish a successful onside kick recovery.

Kickers with really good accuracy are going to be coveted with this new system. Returners with the ability to track balls and get a bit of a running start, while still fielding the ball in the air cleanly, will also be coveted.

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New NFL Kickoff Rule | NFL Football Operations

operations.nfl.com

 

[Poppa San]

Just watch some of the UFL games. I've seen no big returns. There have been zero returns for TDs. I think people are expecting too much from the return game.

Rk	Name	Team	GP	No.	Yds	TD	Long
1	Juwan Manigo	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Arlington Renegades	5	23	501	0	45
2	Chris Rowland	You must be logged in to see this image or video! DC Defenders	5	19	475	0	57
3	Darrius Shepherd	You must be logged in to see this image or video! St. Louis Battlehawks	4	16	462	0	60
4	Isiah Hennie	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Houston Roughnecks	4	10	324	0	75
5	Trey Williams	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Memphis Showboats	3	11	290	0	35
6	Titus Swen	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Memphis Showboats	5	11	285	0	37
7	Brycen Alleyne	You must be logged in to see this image or video! San Antonio Brahmas	5	12	271	0	42
8	Anthony Ratliff-Williams	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Houston Roughnecks	4	10	237	0	33
9	Deon Cain	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Birmingham Stallions	5	10	204	0	39
10	Levonta Taylor	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Michigan Panthers	5	8	200	0	34

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just watch some of the UFL games. I've seen no big returns. There have been zero returns for TDs. I think people are expecting too much from the return game.

Rk	Name	Team	GP	No.	Yds	TD	Long
1	Juwan Manigo	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Arlington Renegades	5	23	501	0	45
2	Chris Rowland	You must be logged in to see this image or video! DC Defenders	5	19	475	0	57
3	Darrius Shepherd	You must be logged in to see this image or video! St. Louis Battlehawks	4	16	462	0	60
4	Isiah Hennie	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Houston Roughnecks	4	10	324	0	75
5	Trey Williams	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Memphis Showboats	3	11	290	0	35
6	Titus Swen	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Memphis Showboats	5	11	285	0	37
7	Brycen Alleyne	You must be logged in to see this image or video! San Antonio Brahmas	5	12	271	0	42
8	Anthony Ratliff-Williams	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Houston Roughnecks	4	10	237	0	33
9	Deon Cain	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Birmingham Stallions	5	10	204	0	39
10	Levonta Taylor	You must be logged in to see this image or video! Michigan Panthers	5	8	200	0	34

Who's this Darrius Sheppard guy? He looks good.


Why not do away with Kickoffs all together and instead, have the "kicking team" punt the ball from their own 30, with standard punting rules in place? Instead of "on-side kicks", a team could get possession of the ball by converting a fake punt into say a 15 yard gain (45 yard line or beyond). Sure, if you bring your starting offense out for a "kick off" odds are, you are "going for it."

 

[Poppa San]

Who's this Darrius Sheppard guy? He looks good.


Why not do away with Kickoffs all together and instead, have the "kicking team" punt the ball from their own 30, with standard punting rules in place? Instead of "on-side kicks", a team could get possession of the ball by converting a fake punt into say a 15 yard gain (45 yard line or beyond). Sure, if you bring your starting offense out for a "kick off" odds are, you are "going for it."

I like the 4th and 25 scenario from the 40.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I like the 4th and 25 scenario from the 40.

The reason I am not a fan of a "staged onside kick", is that it takes the element of surprise away. As I said with my punting scenario, running your starting team in, might take that surprise away, but it doesn't mean you still won't punt the ball. If you bring your punt team in and decide to fake it, that would be a surprise. Teams would be able to open the game or half off with it, as well as at anytime during the game.

 

[AmishMafia]

Watched 3 kickoffs last night in the HOF game just to see how it would look. Surprised how it worked. Seems there should be able to run them back more often. You have to break through the line and you are off to the races. As far as kicking, hang time has no relevance.

The best kick may be a line drive hitting at the 19, or just inside the landing zone. You can move as soon as the ball hits the ground, and it will be bouncing wildly for a bit giving time to close the gap. If they try to catch it on the fly, there's a good chance they mishandle it providing a chance for a recovery.

Drawback is that if it's short they get it at the ball at the 40. I would see if my kicker can hit around the 15 with only 20% ending up being short.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Watched 3 kickoffs last night in the HOF game just to see how it would look. Surprised how it worked. Seems there should be able to run them back more often. You have to break through the line and you are off to the races. As far as kicking, hang time has no relevance.

The best kick may be a line drive hitting at the 19, or just inside the landing zone. You can move as soon as the ball hits the ground, and it will be bouncing wildly for a bit giving time to close the gap. If they try to catch it on the fly, there's a good chance they mishandle it providing a chance for a recovery.

Drawback is that if it's short they get it at the ball at the 40. I would see if my kicker can hit around the 15 with only 20% ending up being short.

Sounds like the Packers need to bring Mason back!

 

[lambeaulambo]

Or they could just have penalty kicks to decide games like in English football.

 

[OldSchool101]

I’m not sure these changes don’t set precedent for the next change. Before you know it these guys will be paid $100mil a year to play touch football.

I say Velcro padded ankle weights on them at 20% of their body weight.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I’m not sure these changes don’t set precedent for the next change. Before you know it these guys will be paid $100mil a year to play touch football.

I say Velcro padded ankle weights on them at 20% of their body weight.

I say wrap them all in bubble wrap!

On a more serious note though. I honestly don't see why they haven't gone to the padded helmet covers that they wear in practices, to be required all the time. They have been deemed safer at preventing CTE/head injuries, which seem to be one of the biggest, nastiest long term injury many football players expose themselves to. It couldn't be too hard (pun intended) to design these cushy covers to look good.

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[GBkrzygrl]

I was at least wondering why they don't wear them in the preseason games.

 

[sschind]

I was at least wondering why they don't wear them in the preseason games.

I say wrap them all in bubble wrap!

On a more serious note though. I honestly don't see why they haven't gone to the padded helmet covers that they wear in practices, to be required all the time. They have been deemed safer at preventing CTE/head injuries, which seem to be one of the biggest, nastiest long term injury many football players expose themselves to. It couldn't be too hard (pun intended) to design these cushy covers to look good.

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Players will be able to wear the guardian caps during the regular season if they want to. Hopefully all Packers players will wear it in week 7. It will hide that God awful white monstrosity. Just kidding I actually like the God awful white monstrosity.

 

[El Guapo]

I don't mind the new kickoff rules, at least from the few examples that I saw so far. It's better than constant touchbacks.

Since we're also talking about helmets, the padded helmets are ugly but effective. I'm glad that the NFL is allowing them to be used. It's a little like the NHL and helmets/visors but progress is progress.

 

[gopkrs]

Players will be able to wear the guardian caps during the regular season if they want to. Hopefully all Packers players will wear it in week 7. It will hide that God awful white monstrosity. Just kidding I actually like the God awful white monstrosity.

Can't they make them in Packer colors?

 

[Poppa San]

Since we're also talking about helmets, the padded helmets are ugly but effective. I'm glad that the NFL is allowing them to be used. It's a little like the NHL and helmets/visors but progress is progress.

Waiting for the redesign to eliminate the plastic shell and maybe replace with naugahyde or leather and put the padding inside. Double the size of the helmet but give a smooth outer surface. Gladiator style face and nose protection.
BTW, how come naugas were never given endangered species protection?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Waiting for the redesign to eliminate the plastic shell and maybe replace with naugahyde or leather and put the padding inside. Double the size of the helmet but give a smooth outer surface. Gladiator style face and nose protection.
BTW, how come naugas were never given endangered species protection?

As Steven Wright once said...."Why don't they make the whole plane out of that black box stuff?"