MVS reminds me of Javon Walker

[PackinMSP]

A taller guy who is deceptively fast and can go up and get the ball...

Assuming Cobb and Allison are gone, I'm fine with Adams, MVS, ESB/Moore and a slot WR

 

[GreenNGold_81]

ESB can't really track the ball going downfield. I think his skills are pretty limited right now and need some serious development. I wouldn't be comfortable with Moore anywhere on the field. Adams and MVS sure, but I think we'd have to either see what Kumerow can do or sign someone.

 

[Zartan]

I dont think Allison is a goner. Cobb probably.

 

[Mondio]

Cobb is slow out there. Everything about him was slow. I'm surprised he was even kept on the field. Obviously still hurt. and MVS, deceptively fast? He's just fast. Everyone knows he can flat out run. He's one of the fastest guys on any NFL Field on a weekly basis. There's nothing deceptive about it.

 

[PackAttack12]

Between Davante, MVS, and a cheap option in Allison, and a continually developing ESB, I think Cobb is all but gone unless he takes a massive pay cut.

 

[Poppa San]

Cobb is slow out there. Everything about him was slow. I'm surprised he was even kept on the field. Obviously still hurt.

He hasn't shown anything since the Chicago game. That is the only team against that I'd willingly start him in FF. Don't know what it is but he lost whatever pizzazz or scatback ability they drafted and paid him for.

MVS, deceptively fast? He's just fast. Everyone knows he can flat out run. He's one of the fastest guys on any NFL Field on a weekly basis. There's nothing deceptive about it.

Agree. Don't understand posters saying we need to draft a burner at WR. We have at least one. I was hoping for a Moss type debut season from him. Maybe takes 8 weeks to gel?

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Assuming Cobb and Allison are gone, I'm fine with Adams, MVS, ESB/Moore and a slot WR

Not Moore, he's a bust. Has he even been active in the last 3 games? I think that says it all. He was the highest drafted WR and he doesn't even see the field unless someone's hurt. He's fraudulently holding a roster spot for an OL or a DB right now.

 

[AmishMafia]

Not Moore, he's a bust. Has he even been active in the last 3 games? I think that says it all. He was the highest drafted WR and he doesn't even see the field unless someone's hurt. He's fraudulently holding a roster spot for an OL or a DB right now.

Yup he is a bust. One more in a long series of WR busts* TT wasted a draft pick on: Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, James Jones, Donald driver, . . . To the best of my memory, the only WR that TT drafted that was not a bust was Greg Jennings.




*Bust for WR is defined as not havin an impact in the first 8 games of your career.

 

[easyk83]

Cobb is slow out there. Everything about him was slow. I'm surprised he was even kept on the field. Obviously still hurt. and MVS, deceptively fast? He's just fast. Everyone knows he can flat out run. He's one of the fastest guys on any NFL Field on a weekly basis. There's nothing deceptive about it.

Deceptively fast as a 4.3 40 runner? The only fault Mondio is that you didnt use enough hyperbole, MVS at speed is like a bolt of lightning on the field. Deceptively fast refers to your Marcus Allen types who have that fluid graceful gait that makes it harder for defenders to take the right angle. Jerry Rice also had that quality, he maybe ran in the 4.6s at his combine but on the field it didn't matter much as guys would take steep angles and Rice or Allen would run right by them.

 

[AmishMafia]

Deceptively fast as a 4.3 40 runner? The only fault Mondio is that you didnt use enough hyperbole, MVS at speed is like a bolt of lightning on the field. Deceptively fast refers to your Marcus Allen types who have that fluid graceful gait that makes it harder for defenders to take the right angle. Jerry Rice also had that quality, he maybe ran in the 4.6s at his combine but on the field it didn't matter much as guys would take steep angles and Rice or Allen would run right by them.

I thought deceptively fast was reserved for any white guy who ran under a 4.8 40.

 

[gbgary]

MVS reminds me of Javon Walker

a bust waiting to happen? hope not.

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[Mondio]

He didn't have that bust when he was here

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Yup he is a bust. One more in a long series of WR busts* TT wasted a draft pick on: Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, James Jones, Donald driver, . . . To the best of my memory, the only WR that TT drafted that was not a bust was Greg Jennings.




*Bust for WR is defined as not havin an impact in the first 8 games of your career.

But at the rate of MVS' and to a lesser extent EQS' progression, he would have to come on VERY strong to oust either of them, GMo, and Cobb on the depth chart. Three games ago, Moore should have already been thinking about who he's going to train with during the offseason; because outside of injury he's not going to see the field very much. If he can't make supplant Cobb's or GMo's production on the field by the end of next preseason, he should get cut. Hopefully Gute doesn't hang on to "prospects" for 10 years like TT did.

I doubt I need to remind you, but just in case, this is a "WIN NOW" league. The Packers are one of the few teams that holds on to a 10 year plan concept to win the Super Bowl.

 

[AmishMafia]

But at the rate of MVS' and to a lesser extent EQS' progression, he would have to come on VERY strong to oust either of them, GMo, and Cobb on the depth chart. Three games ago, Moore should have already been thinking about who he's going to train with during the offseason; because outside of injury he's not going to see the field very much. If he can't make supplant Cobb's or GMo's production on the field by the end of next preseason, he should get cut. Hopefully Gute doesn't hang on to "prospects" for 10 years like TT did.

I doubt I need to remind you, but just in case, this is a "WIN NOW" league. The Packers are one of the few teams that holds on to a 10 year plan concept to win the Super Bowl.

Whether MVS or EQ become great players in their own right should have no bearing on whether Moore is a bust or not.

 

[PackinMSP]

Walker was NOT a bust...

He just got greedy and then got hurt

I don't know, I think Allison is a great guy and all but I don't see that DD type of "it" where he can really contribute

He reminds me too much of Boykin instead due to all his injuries

I just don't see "it" with Allison and really no reason to keep him around and impede the growth of younger, bigger, faster players honesetly

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Not Moore, he's a bust. Has he even been active in the last 3 games? I think that says it all. He was the highest drafted WR and he doesn't even see the field unless someone's hurt. He's fraudulently holding a roster spot for an OL or a DB right now.

Moore currently is behind MVS and EQ on the depth chart but it's way premature to consider him a bust after he has played a total of 42 snaps on offense.

BTW he didn't receive any snaps on offense vs. the Rams and Patriots.

 

[thequick12]

Moore currently is behind MVS and EQ on the depth chart but it's way premature to consider him a bust after he has played a total of 42 snaps on offense.

BTW he didn't receive any snaps on offense vs. the Rams and Patriots.

Moore is more of a davantae type receiver than EQ or MVS. EQ is likely going to replace Cobb as more of a slot receiver and MVS is more of a one trick pony right now he's good deep but doesn't offer much else. Moore should develop into that guy like davantae that can do it all he's not a burner but he can get deep. He has elite quickness and like davantae this should allow him to win early vs man coverage something mvs and eq struggle with

 

[Mondio]

If Moore was catching the ball, he'd be the best one out there of the 3. I like what they all offer. I wouldn't call any of them busts by a long shot.

 

[thequick12]

If Moore was catching the ball, he'd be the best one out there of the 3. I like what they all offer. I wouldn't call any of them busts by a long shot.

To be fair to Moore's preseason drop problem he has caught 100% of his targets during the regular season. He has played only a handful of offensive snaps on which he's been targeted once resulting in a 10 yard reception

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

BTW he didn't receive any snaps on offense vs. the Rams and Patriots.

Because he can't be trusted.

If Moore was catching the ball, he'd be the best one out there of the 3. I like what they all offer. I wouldn't call any of them busts by a long shot.

Based on....what? What evidence do you have to back that? College highlight reels don't matter anymore, this is the NFL.

To be fair to Moore's preseason drop problem he has caught 100% of his targets during the regular season. He has played only a handful of offensive snaps on which he's been targeted once resulting in a 10 yard reception

100% because he's only been thrown to once. If he had been thrown to 10 times, what would that number be? I doubt 100%. The sample size is way too small.

 

[thequick12]

Dude yeah I know the sample size is too small it was kind of a joke.
But in all seriousness when he gets more opportunities I expect him to do well with them. All 3 of the rookies are NFL players. I'm sure you are correct that Moore is having more trouble with the playbook than the other 2 which is why he isn't getting the opportunity they are

 

[Mondio]

Based on the routes I saw him run in the preseason. I don’t even know where he played college so that how many highlights I’ve seen. He was good in and out of breaks, he was smooth and sudden at the same time. And he was consistently a step ahead of defenders. That’s what it was based on. He just didn’t catch the ball well.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

What I don't want is for us to have another scenario where Moore is our next Jeff Janis. What's going to be worse is because he was a 4th Round Pick vs Janis(7th Round), I fear he's going to get a longer leash. I'm not big on drafting WRs year end and year out, but if Gute is looking for more production out of the WR group, Riley Ridley is available next year, if he's a smidget as good as his brother is in his rookie year, Moore can be dropped immediately.

 

[thequick12]

What I don't want is for us to have another scenario where Moore is our next Jeff Janis. What's going to be worse is because he was a 4th Round Pick vs Janis(7th Round), I fear he's going to get a longer leash. I'm not big on drafting WRs year end and year out, but if Gute is looking for more production out of the WR group, Riley Ridley is available next year, if he's a smidget as good as his brother is in his rookie year, Moore can be dropped immediately.

If Moore is a good player why would you drop him just because you got another good receiver. I know nothing about Calvin Ridley's brother but either way I believe the Packers with Aaron Rodgers should always carry 6 wrs in the 53. And they should draft wrs every year give the man some talented pass catching options as many as you can the more the better. Remember the days of driver, Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Finley, and Jones. We want a similar situation to develop here where you have Adams, Graham, mvs, eq, moore, and another guy you draft high like 2nd round

 

[Mondio]

how are moore and janis being compared? he's having trouble with his hands, I guess that's similar to Janis. But also similar to Jordy at one point and Jones. Other than that they don't compare at all. Moore can run routes and looks natural doing it. Janis could run fast.