Mike Pettine's Defence

[Pokerbrat2000]

The defense gave up 10 ******* points and people are literally upset that they didn't give up only 3 because "something something play aggressive". Which is especially funny cause if Jaire simply drops even softer into his zone it wouldve only been 3

I think they should be looking at D coordinators in the off-season but damn if this board isnt gold sometimes

Agreed. I actually think that was one of the D's best performances of the season. Granted, it wasn't against a very good offense, but they still played pretty solid and really rushed well. However, as you said, I don't see this as Pettine's get out of Jail Free Card. We would have to see a lot more of these games out of the defense and against much better offenses.

 

[PackerDNA]

The Jets just fired Williams.

 

[longtimefan]

The defense gave up 10 ******* points and people are literally upset that they didn't give up only 3 because "something something play aggressive". Which is especially funny cause if Jaire simply drops even softer into his zone it wouldve only been 3

I think they should be looking at D coordinators in the off-season but damn if this board isnt gold sometimes

Could win 48 to 0 and people would still have issues

 

[mradtke66]

By and large in a 3-4 base, your iDL are going to be asked to two gap.

I'm not so sure thats as true as it used to be.

In particular, if you see the linemen shaded or in a gap, it's more likely they are single gapping. And then you could play games where the NT is 2-gapping, but one or both ends are playing single gaps.

The thesis that Donald and Clark serve different roles is true, however.

 

[rmontro]

Packers points scored against rankings by quarter:

2nd quarter: 2nd (6.0)

offense

2nd: 1st (13.7)

Maybe due to Covid, they can shorten the games to just playing the second quarter. Super Bowl baby!

 

[RRyder]

Maybe due to Covid, they can shorten the games to just playing the second quarter. Super Bowl baby!

The 2nd quarter stats are pretty damn absurd. They're almost a 1.5 better then 2nd place for that quarter on offense

 

[gbgary]

well...after the meeting with zadarius, and others, pettine did throw in more pressure and whatnot. pass rush looked much better. let's see if he keeps it up.

 

[swhitset]

well...after the meeting with zadarius, and others, pettine did throw in more pressure and whatnot. pass rush looked much better. let's see if he keeps it up.

Watching Lefleur’s press conference... that was the only place he seemed uncomfortable. I’m sure coaches don’t like it when players start questioning the scheme .... but he had to be careful... wanted to protect his coaches and players without seeming to create any controversy.

 

[Don Barclay]

well...after the meeting with zadarius, and others, pettine did throw in more pressure and whatnot. pass rush looked much better. let's see if he keeps it up.

Honestly, if things play out well after this, I think it's a feather in Pettine's cap -- maybe not enough to keep him, but it's a strength when leadership, whether a coach or a boss, has the guts to listen authentically to those they direct and respond to them productively. It's certainly a tricky line to walk -- but a functional organization makes room for real two-way communication. Can you imagine this kind of a conversation and outcome at, say the (current) Jets?

 

[Mondio]

There's always a level to give and take. You can't let the inmates run the asylum, but you can't silence them, head down and stay in your place at every turn either.

and though this may have seemed to work against 2 pretty poor teams, it very well may come back to bite us too. What bothered me most is the effort within the scheme by some players when they didn't like it was poor to say the least. You may not like it, and you may need to talk with the coach later, but if you're going to pout and sulk on the field to the point it affects the play regardless of the play call YOU are the biggest problem in the equation.

 

[Don Barclay]

... if you're going to pout and sulk on the field to the point it affects the play regardless of the play call YOU are the biggest problem in the equation.

Did you feel like that's something you observed? Genuinely curious, not clapping back.

 

[Mondio]

Did you feel like that's something you observed? Genuinely curious, not clapping back.

without a doubt. Especially from Preston Smith. When he got here last year I was semi impressed with how a pass rusher was setting the edge. He used his length to squeeze in and then if someone tried to bounce by they had to get wide. He was really using his long arms to separate and go in our out once the runner committed. This year, he looked annoyed to be asked to do it. His effort was a start contrast to what i saw last year.

 

[Don Barclay]

without a doubt. Especially from Preston Smith. When he got here last year I was semi impressed with how a pass rusher was setting the edge. He used his length to squeeze in and then if someone tried to bounce by they had to get wide. He was really using his long arms to separate and go in our out once the runner committed. This year, he looked annoyed to be asked to do it. His effort was a start contrast to what i saw last year.

I guess it makes sense if PSmith's lowered performance was simply effort -- especially if losing snaps to Gary has been a factor in his recent resurgence.

 

[rmontro]

well...after the meeting with zadarius, and others, pettine did throw in more pressure and whatnot. pass rush looked much better. let's see if he keeps it up.

So a pass rusher wants to rush the passer more? I'm not saying I don't like the meeting, and they had been looking like they weren't pressuring enough. The idea of it just seems a little, I don't know, expected?

 

[Don Barclay]

So a pass rusher wants to rush the passer more? I'm not saying I don't like the meeting, and they had been looking like they weren't pressuring enough. The idea of it just seems a little, I don't know, expected?

Totally true, but I can imagine in Pettine's role, there's a danger of getting too consumed with the complexity of a big picture/scheme/etc, and losing track of what seems to be a fundamental of success in modern NFL: use the strengths of the guys you have. That's been the Belichick approach, as I understand it; let scheme serve the talent. The next few weeks should tell us more, of course.

 

[rmontro]

use the strengths of the guys you have. That's been the Belichick approach, as I understand it; let scheme serve the talent.

Also known as the anti-McCarthy approach. I suppose Pettine could have been so focused on fixing the run defense he let up on pressuring the quarterback.

 

[gbgary]

Watching Lefleur’s press conference... that was the only place he seemed uncomfortable. I’m sure coaches don’t like it when players start questioning the scheme .... but he had to be careful... wanted to protect his coaches and players without seeming to create any controversy.

pettine was uncomfortable about it today too.

 

[gbgary]

So a pass rusher wants to rush the passer more? I'm not saying I don't like the meeting, and they had been looking like they weren't pressuring enough. The idea of it just seems a little, I don't know, expected?

simplification seemed to be a big part of the reported meeting.

 

[rmontro]

simplification seemed to be a big part of the reported meeting.

I guess if you can only do one thing out of two well, you might as well do that one thing instead of none.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

At least I will say as tough as our defense has been to watch sometimes, we at least don't hear this

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Man oh man that one is just too funny

 

[PackAttack12]

Just a little nugget:

Packers are 6th in points allowed in the 1st half, but 24th in the 2nd half.

For comparison's sake, the Packers ranked 13th in the 1st half last year and 8th in the 2nd half.

The defense was called upon far more often in the 2nd half and 4th quarters of last season as opposed to this season. And they came through a lot when it mattered. There haven't been as many "gotta have it" moments this season, thus why I feel like the 4th quarter numbers are skewing the Packers overall ranking.

The biggest difference to me in last year to this year is turnovers. I knew just by memory and eye test that the Packers don't force near as many turnovers as last year. And the numbers support that in a big way. 8th in TO's last year and 28th this year.

Perhaps though the defense is playing better than some of us are willing to give it credit for when the game is in question. I still don't think the Packers need to go completely soft in 4th quarters, allowing huge point totals.

 

[Mondio]

Just a little nugget:

Packers are 6th in points allowed in the 1st half, but 24th in the 2nd half.

For comparison's sake, the Packers ranked 13th in the 1st half last year and 8th in the 2nd half.

The defense was called upon far more often in the 2nd half and 4th quarters of last season as opposed to this season. And they came through a lot when it mattered. There haven't been as many "gotta have it" moments this season, thus why I feel like the 4th quarter numbers are skewing the Packers overall ranking.

The biggest difference to me in last year to this year is turnovers. I knew just by memory and eye test that the Packers don't force near as many turnovers as last year. And the numbers support that in a big way. 8th in TO's last year and 28th this year.

Perhaps though the defense is playing better than some of us are willing to give it credit for when the game is in question. I still don't think the Packers need to go completely soft in 4th quarters, allowing huge point totals.

That's a big part of my frustration. they CAN be good. They are at times. We see it almost every week. and then they can look like trash. I mean sometimes i'm fine with yards and a few points and taking time off the clock, but they'll give up 70 yards in 5 plays and 45 seconds sometimes and TD. and even like last week they've had opportunities to just close it out and they commit 5-6 penalties in a drive giving them 1st downs and an eventual TD.

I'd like to believe it's just a turn it on when they need it issue, but there have been times they need to stop someone and they don't. and i'm not a big fan of "play when you want to" style. I think it creeps into you mindset and makes you weaker. If you're going to go thru a time with a more basic defense etc, then put in someone else, let that be the reason the ball is getting moved at times. Don't take plays "off" or go 80% because that's all you think is necessary at that time.

 

[gopkrs]

I still don't think the Packers need to go completely soft in 4th quarters, allowing huge point totals.

And at times allow the other team a chance.

 

[gopkrs]

I'd like to believe it's just a turn it on when they need it issue

The problem with that is imo that momentum can kick in for their offense and deplete on our defense. And then switch again on the other side of the ball.

 

[PikeBadger]

That's a big part of my frustration. they CAN be good. They are at times. We see it almost every week. and then they can look like trash. I mean sometimes i'm fine with yards and a few points and taking time off the clock, but they'll give up 70 yards in 5 plays and 45 seconds sometimes and TD. and even like last week they've had opportunities to just close it out and they commit 5-6 penalties in a drive giving them 1st downs and an eventual TD.

I'd like to believe it's just a turn it on when they need it issue, but there have been times they need to stop someone and they don't. and i'm not a big fan of "play when you want to" style. I think it creeps into you mindset and makes you weaker. If you're going to go thru a time with a more basic defense etc, then put in someone else, let that be the reason the ball is getting moved at times. Don't take plays "off" or go 80% because that's all you think is necessary at that time.

Yes, it does look like the entire defense takes entire series off. They could use a couple of maniacal firebrands to keep the others on track. They definitely aren’t getting that motivation from the coaching staff from what I’m seeing.