Mike Pettine's Defence

[gopkrs]

Don't care if Jim Schwartz is good or not. Warranted or not; I just did not like the guy when he was head coach in Detroit and would not like to see him in GB. And I would have doubts about Pagano. Most I just don't have an opinion about. Because I don't know anything about them.

 

[Fredrik87]

Some names to monitor in case they or their head coaches get fired:

1. Vic Fangio (Denver): Do whatever it takes for this guy if he becomes available.

I couldn't agree more I'd love to have Fangio as our DC.

 

[Mondio]

Don't care if Jim Schwartz is good or not. Warranted or not; I just did not like the guy when he was head coach in Detroit and would not like to see him in GB. And I would have doubts about Pagano. Most I just don't have an opinion about. Because I don't know anything about them.

Schwartz does know his defense, but he’s pretty low class I think. I do not have a high opinion of him. I think other’s are just as good or better and you don’t have to deal with the bush league mentality

 

[Dantés]

So I got curious about where good defensive coordinators typically come from in terms of position coaches. We all know that the most typical path on the other side oft he ball is QB Coach > Offensive Coordinator. But what about the other side? Below are listed every single DC or former DC (now HC) that I consider to be above average. Next is listed what position they majored in during their position coach days. They're listed in no particular order.

1. Gus Bradley, LAC: Linebacker
2. Vic Fangio, DEN: Linebacker
3. Robert Saleh, SF: Linebacker
4. Brandon Staley, LAR: Linebacker
5. Pete Carroll, SEA: Defensive Backs
6. Mike Vrabel, TEN: Linebacker
7. Matt Eberflus, IND: Linebacker
8. Dennis Allen, NO: Defensive Backs
9. Todd Bowles, TB: Defensive Backs
10. Bill Belichick, NE: Linebacker/Defensive Backs
11. Sean McDermott, BUF: Defensive Backs
12. Brian Flores, MIA: Linebacker
13. Ron Rivera, WAS: Linebacker
14. Jim Schwartz, PHI: Linebacker
15. Mike Tomlin, PIT: Defensive Backs
16. Keith Butler, PIT: Linebacker
17. Don Martindale, BAL: Linebacker
18. Mike Zimmer, MIN: Defensive Backs
19. Marvin Lewis, N/A: Linebacker
20. Chuck Pagano, CHI: Defensive Backs

So 20 guys in total, 13 being former LB coaches and 8 being former DB coaches (BB, having both in his background, counts twice).

It's interesting to me that not a single guy in the bunch was a defensive line guy. I'm sure we could find examples of good DC/HC's who were former DL coaches, but it seems they're not common.

With LB Coach being the predominant source, here are the current LB coaches for the teams that current run successful defenses (either this season or consistently in recent seasons):

• Mike MacDonald, Ravens
• Jerry Olsavsky, Steelers
• Jerod Mayo, Patriots
• Demeco Ryans, 49ers
• Steve Russ, Washington
• Dave Borgonzi, Colts
• Michael Hodges, Saints
• Joe Barry, Chargers
• Adam Zimmer, Vikings (LOL)
• Reggie Herring, Broncos
• Mark Deleone, Bears (ILB)
• Ted Monachino, Bears (OLB)
• Ken Flajole, Eagles

 

[PikeBadger]

Jim Leonhard. Would he take it if offered?

 

[GleefulGary]

Jim Leonhard. Would he take it if offered?

Guess who Jim learned defense from? Or, at the very least, played a very large role as a mentor?

Good ol Mike Pettine.

 

[Mondio]

I don’t think pettines defense is the problem from schematics, but there seems to be a motivation problem with some players? Whether that a player problem or a coaching problem, I have no idea

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I don’t think pettines defense is the problem from schematics, but there seems to be a motivation problem with some players? Whether that a player problem or a coaching problem, I have no idea

The problem is a gaping freakin hole in the middle of the defense. We have no ILB's worth a damn, and our defensive line aside from Clark sucks at stopping the run.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Ok...I agree with that. Now - gaping hole means dline not moving but getting moved. It's the dline, not ILBs. Clark? He's not the best either imho. The linebackers are at the 2nd level, the first level is the problem - Lowry, Lancaster. They are not athletic or strong enough to get off blocks.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Guess who Jim learned defense from? Or, at the very least, played a very large role as a mentor?

Good ol Mike Pettine.

I'm not sure Leonhard being coached by Pettine for four of his 10 seasons playing in the NFL automatically results in his scheme being heavily influenced by his former coach.

Now - gaping hole means dline not moving but getting moved. It's the dline, not ILBs. Clark? He's not the best either imho. The linebackers are at the 2nd level, the first level is the problem - Lowry, Lancaster. They are not athletic or strong enough to get off blocks.

The Packers lacking talent at both the defensive line and at inside linebacker results in the run defense struggling.

While Clark hasn't performed at an elite level this season by any means he's by far the most talented player on the line.

 

[longtimefan]

Guess who Jim learned defense from? Or, at the very least, played a very large role as a mentor?

Good ol Mike Pettine.

He has learned a lot from rex Ryan and Pettine he claims


Jim Leonhard discusses opportunities, Mike Pettine’s influence on Wisconsin defense

https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/20...l-jim-leonhard-mike-pettine-green-bay-packers

A lot. That whole group of guys whether it was Rex, Pettine, Jim O’Neil, I was around them six years,
a lot of my thought process in how I approach the game comes from these guys.”

 

[Poppa San]

I still wouldn't mind Dave Aranda but I see he's now head coach at Baylor. First year of a 6 year deal , I'd question his loyalty if he jumped ship now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I still wouldn't mind Dave Aranda but I see he's now head coach at Baylor. First year of a 6 year deal , I'd question his loyalty if he jumped ship now.

Aranda has quietly and methodically worked his way up to being a Power 5 head coach, he isn't going anywhere, except maybe to a better college program. I really love Aranda, he was a huge influencer at Wisconsin and I think was one of, if not the highest paid assistants in college when he was at LSU.

 

[jon]

While Clark hasn't performed at an elite level this season by any means he's by far the most talented player on the line.

This sure seems true, but could his results be improved by a different line scheme? Aaron Donald cuts in between Olinemen and gets into the backfield quite a lot, from what I see, while Clark doesn't. Does LA's line have a one gap (which I gather allows better penetration by linemen) and the Packers a two gap scheme?

 

[JK64]

Everyone should check out Z Smith's post game interview. He discusses going into Pettine's office and discussing deficiencies in the Packers' defense. One thing he mentioned is that they have 91 dropping back in pass coverage too much.

 

[gonzozab]

Anyone still want Gregg Williams after today?

 

[XPack]

How many points were scored against us in Q4 this season?

 

[RRyder]

How many points were scored against us in Q4 this season?

They're averaging 8.8 points allowed in 4th quarters this year which is 25th in the league.

However context is important here. KC as an example is tied at 23 (with Buffalo at 8.5). Also it should be noted that teams absolutely known for their defense like Jacksonville, NYJ, NYG, Arizona, Philly and Houston are all averaging more then a full point less allowed per 4th quarter this year so I think its safe to say ratings get skewed based on the prior 3 quarters

Really half the top 10 (depending how you really feel about Miami) in this stat are all kinda ****** teams although I will admit I was impressed to see Pitt at #1(4 ppg) and TB at #2 (4.2)

Packers points scored against rankings by quarter:

1st quarter: 12th (4.5)

2nd quarter: 2nd (6.0)

3rd quarter: 22nd (5.4)

4th quarter: 25th (8.8)

For contrast heres the offense

1st: 19th (5.0)

2nd: 1st (13.7)

3rd: 3rd (6.8)

4th: 27th (6.1)

 

[gopkrs]

What I would like to know is how many points would we have given up if we had just continued to play defense instead of going soft and letting them walk down the field. So Pettine seems to be scared of giving up a big play. So instead he gives up TD after TD and actually not using that much time. Not so much this last game. But they did get back into it after we played softer. And at that stage there was too much time on the clock to start doing that. Pettine does not seem to realize that a big special teams play or a turnover can change the complexion of the game in a hurry. We get a good lead...Pettine plays scared.imo

 

[gopkrs]

I'm already thinking about how in the world can we stop KC. I think we have to maul Tyreek Hill at the LOS. One linebacker or safety hybrid that can slow him down good at the line and then get back where they are supposed to be. Probably causes problems in the run game but can't let him beat us either. Man, they have the weapons. But teams seem to be slowing them down lately. Of course we won't be there if Pettine does not stop letting teams back into the game.

 

[GleefulGary]

I'm not sure Leonhard being coached by Pettine for four of his 10 seasons playing in the NFL automatically results in his scheme being heavily influenced by his former coach.
.

It’s almost like I’m going off of what Leonhard has said himself instead of just assuming based on Pettine being a former coach. It’s almost like you can see a lot of the same things on defense between the two.

That would be crazy though, right?

 

[GleefulGary]

This sure seems true, but could his results be improved by a different line scheme? Aaron Donald cuts in between Olinemen and gets into the backfield quite a lot, from what I see, while Clark doesn't. Does LA's line have a one gap (which I gather allows better penetration by linemen) and the Packers a two gap scheme?

Donald and Clark are very different players with very different roles.

By and large in a 3-4 base, your iDL are going to be asked to two gap.

 

[GleefulGary]

Anyone still want Gregg Williams after today?

Wasn’t aware that anybody ever wanted him.

 

[RRyder]

Anyone still want Gregg Williams after today?

I'm sorry ive been told that a defense should never play off coverage so obviously he did the right thing

 

[RRyder]

The defense gave up 10 ****ing points and people are literally upset that they didn't give up only 3 because "something something play aggressive". Which is especially funny cause if Jaire simply drops even softer into his zone it wouldve only been 3

I think they should be looking at D coordinators in the off-season but damn if this board isnt gold sometimes