Mike McCarthy Opinion Poll

[El Guapo]

My opinion is that in general, teams that are better than average who fire good coaches hoping for great, don't get that result. Firing your coaching staff and expecting something better seems to be a fools errand.

 

[HardRightEdge]

My opinion is that in general, teams that are better than average who fire good coaches hoping for great, don't get that result. Firing your coaching staff and expecting something better seems to be a fools errand.

I agree. The problem is this is not an above average team.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The shareholders can't.
The Green Bay Packers Board of Directors can,
and should, fire Murphy and Thompson.

Murphy is mostly responsible for the financial state of the Packers and has done a fantastic job relating to it. There's no reason to fire him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Murphy is mostly responsible for the financial state of the Packers and has done a fantastic job realting to it. There's no reason to fire him.

Cant agree more with this and would add Ball's name to that same list. IF there is a full shakedown in GB at some point in the near future, retaining both would serve the Packers well IMO.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Cant agree more with this and would add Ball's name to that same list. IF there is a full shakedown in GB at some point in the near future, retaining both would serve the Packers well IMO.

While Ball has done a fantastic job managing the salary cap I'm quite sure a new general manager would replace him with his own guy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While Ball has done a fantastic job managing the salary cap I'm quite sure a new general manager would replace him with his own guy.

That would be another teams gain in my opinion, but you are probably correct.

 

[sschind]

You still don't understand my idea....

They could just take a survey to just get opinions on things and the outcome would not have a direct influence of any changes.

Would it make you feel better to be able to participate in a poll you knew was pointless. You don't think they know fans are frustrated. I'm pretty sure the board knows there are a lot of fans who want certain people replaced. This board of directors is not a secret society. Everyone who knows them most likely knows they are on the board and I am sure they are given excellent advice on how to run the team by everyone they meet.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

My opinion is that in general, teams that are better than average who fire good coaches hoping for great, don't get that result. Firing your coaching staff and expecting something better seems to be a fools errand.

Hence why I'm not yet ready to call it "The End" for MM at the end of this year. But the overall direction of this team is going to be paid close attention to by Mark Murphy, and while I don't expect him to pull the trigger in a knee-jerk fashion, I can't see him thinking nothing is going on with our current GM and HC. What we clearly got right now is a team that seems mentally in the tank and seems to be coming across to some fans including myself, as sometimes giving up the fight, based on body language. Of course we're going to pull for and hope somehow they get some sort of renewed resolve in the 2nd half of this season, but if this trend continues 8-8 is not going to make the playoffs. Gotta wait and see where things go, but until there's clear definitive reasons to believe they've got their resolve back I think it's reasonable to turn up the heat a bit on MM.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Hence why I'm not yet ready to call it "The End" for MM at the end of this year. But the overall direction of this team is going to be paid close attention to by Mark Murphy, and while I don't expect him to pull the trigger in a knee-jerk fashion, I can't see him thinking nothing is going on with our current GM and HC. What we clearly got right now is a team that seems mentally in the tank and seems to be coming across to some fans including myself, as sometimes giving up the fight, based on body language. Of course we're going to pull for and hope somehow they get some sort of renewed resolve in the 2nd half of this season, but if this trend continues 8-8 is not going to make the playoffs. Gotta wait and see where things go, but until there's clear definitive reasons to believe they've got their resolve back I think it's reasonable to turn up the heat a bit on MM.

If the Packers continue to struggle the rest of the season a sample size of 28 games should be large enough to figure out that McCarthy and possibly Thompson aren't able to turn things around and therefore change might be the best way to get the team back on track.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

If the Packers continue to struggle the rest of the season a sample size of 28 games should be large enough to figure out that McCarthy and possibly Thompson aren't able to turn things around and therefore change might be the best way to get the team back on track.

Perhaps ... I'm not Murphy but I trust his judgment. I guess if it were me, I wouldn't fire MM after this year even if we missed the playoffs just because I feel like he could get 1 year here of not doing so, having made them 8 of the 10 years he's been here so far, and making them the last 7 in a row, plus 3 trips to the NFCCG and 1 SB win. However, I wouldn't extend the rope beyond 2017. I'd say miss the playoffs this year, and you got till the end of 2017 to get this ship righted, but if the same old thing happens or things get worse, then it's out the door. Just my thoughts on it.

 

[OldSchool101]

Perhaps ... I'm not Murphy but I trust his judgment. I guess if it were me, I wouldn't fire MM after this year even if we missed the playoffs just because I feel like he could get 1 year here of not doing so, having made them 8 of the 10 years he's been here so far, and making them the last 7 in a row, plus 3 trips to the NFCCG and 1 SB win. However, I wouldn't extend the rope beyond 2017. I'd say miss the playoffs this year, and you got till the end of 2017 to get this ship righted, but if the same old thing happens or things get worse, then it's out the door. Just my thoughts on it.

I agree with that assessment. I also think we've been top heavy on D In the draft and I understand we've had Defensive needs so I'm not saying it was necessarily wrong.
I think this year we need at least 2 of the top 3 draft picks in the area of TE, RB, WR and I wouldn't be opposed to trading up to attain a better option similar to how we did with the Spriggs pick last year.
It's time to push some chips in and bet on Aaron by surrounding him with more options.

 

[swhitset]

I agree with that assessment. I also think we've been top heavy on D In the draft and I understand we've had Defensive needs so I'm not saying it was necessarily wrong.
I think this year we need at least 2 of the top 3 draft picks in the area of TE, RB, WR and I wouldn't be opposed to trading up to attain a better option similar to how we did with the Spriggs pick last year.
It's time to push some chips in and bet on Aaron by surrounding him with more options.

then.. they better be looking for OLbs in free agency lol

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I'll tell ya guys, mediocre year or not, I cannot believe just how atrocious our team is looking out there right now, and against a dumpster fire of a Titans team that hasn't even had a winning season in almost a decade. I mean honestly, the last time this team looked this bad had to have been in 2005 when we lost to the Ravens 48-3, the game that you just knew at that point the team had given up and wasn't even going to try anymore at that point. This team right here today is looking just about as bad, I mean this is ridiculous. I defend a coach as much as possible when needed, but when the players give up, you can't do it anymore.

 

[King of Jeans]

you know we're completely decimated by injuries, right?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

you know we're completely decimated by injuries, right?

And when have we ever not been? Hell the year we lost Rodgers himself there was more fight out of this team than this.

 

[King of Jeans]

we're always had a problem with injuries, but this year has been particularly bad. especially on the defense.

 

[gonzozab]

you know we're completely decimated by injuries, right?

They were decimated by injuries worse than this in 2010.

The time is passed for making excuses for this team. Injuries don't explain why they have obviously stopped caring. If you can't see this self-evident truth I can't help you.

 

[King of Jeans]

I just see a struggling football club. I don't see any evidence that they've stopped caring.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Even looking at MM right now he just looks like a guy who just has no control period right now and like he's lost it. I mean ... I don't even know what to think, but this team even now is starting to make last year's down year look like a superbowl run by comparison to this garbage

 

[gonzozab]

I just see a struggling football club. I don't see any evidence that they've stopped caring.

They've been struggling for over a year now and it's gotten worse. If the coaches haven't fixed their struggles by now, that's just more ammunition for changes.

 

[ls1bob]

One of MM's pet peeves was that not enough of his assistant's were getting hired for OC or HC jobs and he took it personal. May be a reason.....no one else thinks they are that good

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

One of MM's pet peeves was that not enough of his assistant's were getting hired for OC or HC jobs and he took it personal. May be a reason.....no one else thinks they are that good

Two of them (Philbin and McAdoo) obviously got their shots, but honestly hard to hire offensive assistants when people know it's the head coach who's calling the plays and most the shots in general. It still doesn't address the issues of the players right at this moment seeming to tune him out.

 

[Fozastuta]

Ask yourself this, can you see McCarthy turning the Packers into any kind of force again any time soon? Honestly, for the first time, I don't think he can. I think its all gone a bit stale, not just with the coach but the whole set-up. It happens in Sport.

 

[NYPack]

This doesn't look anything like a team that's given up to me.

 

[longtimefan]

They were decimated by injuries worse than this in 2010.

The time is passed for making excuses for this team. Injuries don't explain why they have obviously stopped caring. If you can't see this self-evident truth I can't help you.

Def

Woody
Collins
Williams
Jenkins
Clay

Thats the diff