Mike McCarthy Gets Fired If...

[Packer Brother]

Smart teams don't fire the head coach after making it to the championship game.



Gutekunst is ultimately responsible for making roster decisions.

If there's a repeat of the 2014 Seattle game, yeah he absolutely could ( And should) get fired. I'd give it a 50 % chance of happening. If they lose in the Wild Card or Division Round, I think its 80/20 he is gone. Personally, I thought he should've been fired after the Seattle fiasco. That's when I first realized he isn't a great coach.

 

[lambeaulambo]

when he mentions pad level on 3 goal line pass plays in a row...in all seriousness though....when he has a 10 loss season w Rodgers and the D reasonably healthy.

 

[ExpatPacker]

Packers get in to the playoffs only as a WC team and are one and done.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

...The Pictures of Him and Ted during their wild weekend in Cabo surface.

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[Packer Brother]

Packers get in to the playoffs only as a WC team and are one and done.

That's a very low bar to set. So McCarthy should keep his job if they don't win the NFCCG at minimum?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

MM should have been let go a few years ago. The only way he shouldn't be let go after this season is if the Packers win the Super Bowl; and then the only reason not to fire him is because the FO won't want to make waves by firing a Super Bowl winning coach. The guy has wasted years of having the best QB in NFL history.

 

[AmishMafia]

MM should have been let go a few years ago. The only way he shouldn't be let go after this season is if the Packers win the Super Bowl; and then the only reason not to fire him is because the FO won't want to make waves by firing a Super Bowl winning coach. The guy has wasted years of having the best QB in NFL history.

Or maybe, just maybe, Rodgers is the QB he is because of MM's coaching . . .

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[Sunshinepacker]

Or maybe, just maybe, Rodgers is the QB he is because of MM's coaching . . .

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No, pretty much every analysis of the Packers passing game shows that it's conservative and not that innovative. Can you even imagine if Rodgers had Kyle Shanahan as his coach? I know some people seem to feel the need to defend a head coach who kept Capers too long and has consistently blown games and seasons, but MM just isn't a good head coach.

Need more proof on MM's lack of actual impact on Rodgers? Where are the other "good" QBs he's developed? Flynn was great in the preseason, had a couple of good games for the Packers (small sample size) and then got beat out by a rookie in Seattle. Other than that I haven't seen this magic QB-guru business he mysteriously gets credit for.

 

[Alex]

he fails to dump the cancerous Hundley off of this roster.

This did not age well

I'm PMing you later with my employer's bank account and routing # so that you can send funds to replace my monitor due to the large amount of coffee I spewed all over it.

Can I get those numbers as well? I need to send funds and stuff too

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No, pretty much every analysis of the Packers passing game shows that it's conservative and not that innovative. Can you even imagine if Rodgers had Kyle Shanahan as his coach? I know some people seem to feel the need to defend a head coach who kept Capers too long and has consistently blown games and seasons, but MM just isn't a good head coach.

Need more proof on MM's lack of actual impact on Rodgers? Where are the other "good" QBs he's developed? Flynn was great in the preseason, had a couple of good games for the Packers (small sample size) and then got beat out by a rookie in Seattle. Other than that I haven't seen this magic QB-guru business he mysteriously gets credit for.

While I am not fully on board with calling MM a bad coach or a great coach, I fully agree with your last statement with a caveat. Yes, unlike the Wolf and Holmgren days where the Packers spit out quite a few decent QB's, TT and McCarthy only have Rodgers as their trophy. However, as much as some want to give those two too much credit for Rodgers success, I think they still deserve some. TT was a GM who recognized the talent and drafted AR and whatever McCarthy and the coaches did in the process, worked perfectly in helping to make Rodgers who he is today. Had Rodgers ended up in Cleveland, would he be the same guy? I don't think anyone can say yes or no and be 100% confidant in that.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

While I am not fully on board with calling MM a bad coach or a great coach, I fully agree with your last statement with a caveat. Yes, unlike the Wolf and Holmgren days where the Packers spit out quite a few decent QB's, TT and McCarthy only have Rodgers as their trophy. However, as much as some want to give those two too much credit for Rodgers success, I think they still deserve some. TT was a GM who recognized the talent and drafted AR and whatever McCarthy and the coaches did in the process, worked perfectly in helping to make Rodgers who he is today. Had Rodgers ended up in Cleveland, would he be the same guy? I don't think anyone can say yes or no and be 100% confidant in that.

I give full credit to Thompson for drafting Rodgers. It was a gutsy move with Favre on the roster and pushing for one more Super Bowl. When he was hired MM was a good offensive coach. However, he hasn't adapted to changes in the game and at this point is living off Rodgers' greatness to keep the offense afloat (for evidence, see last year).

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Nah, that'll be the dagger. I think he could get canned too if they barely make the playoffs and lose badly in a WC game.

The MM situation is a weird one. He's been coaching this team a long time, and new blood is sometimes the answer, but who are we replacing him with?

Urban Meyer - With the mess he's made at Ohio State he'll probably never coach anywhere else at the college level again if he's fired. The NFL would be the perfect escape.

I also agree we need to make it to the NFC Championship Game and if we lose it can't be a blowout, otherwise he needs to go.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I give full credit to Thompson for drafting Rodgers. It was a gutsy move with Favre on the roster and pushing for one more Super Bowl. When he was hired MM was a good offensive coach. However, he hasn't adapted to changes in the game and at this point is living off Rodgers' greatness to keep the offense afloat (for evidence, see last year).

No doubt when MM's time is up in Green Bay there will be some positive and negative things to remember about the guy. Some of them being fully open to interpretation and discussion, but in 50 years what most people will remember him for is this number, or however it ends up when he is done.

131–78–1 (.626)

We can all debate today why his winning percentage is pretty favorable and paint any kind of picture that we want, but that stat is usually the one that jumps out in the history books.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Urban Meyer - With the mess he's made at Ohio State he'll probably never coach anywhere else at the college level again if he's fired. The NFL would be the perfect escape.

Putting all of Urban's current dirty laundry aside, I think he is one of the best college coaches in the game. He is a guy that knows how to recruit, knows how to become a part of a recruits family and puts a lot of stock into being very vested in individual players future. He is also a guy who is very smart on the field and a great game manager. I just don't know how well that would crossover to the NFL. We have seen some really good college coaches struggle in the NFL, because now they are dealing with professional athletes not "kids" that they have recruited. Most of the guys Urban coaches have a legit shot at becoming NFL players, I'm just not so sure that Urban himself would make that transition successfully. Paul Chryst for the Badgers is a bit the same. Excellent college coach, but wouldn't be that confident seeing him cross over.

Edit: Just read this after my post....and I missed the most obvious reason Urban may not be in the NFL, he just isn't interested.

https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...rams-bills-jaguars-broncos-urban-meyer-010417

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Putting all of Urban's current dirty laundry aside, I think he is one of the best college coaches in the game. He is a guy that knows how to recruit, knows how to become a part of a recruits family and puts a lot of stock into being very vested in individual players future. He is also a guy who is very smart on the field and a great game manager. I just don't know how well that would crossover to the NFL. We have seen some really good college coaches struggle in the NFL, because now they are dealing with professional athletes not "kids" that they have recruited. Most of the guys Urban coaches have a legit shot at becoming NFL players, I'm just not so sure that Urban himself would make that transition successfully. Paul Chryst for the Badgers is a bit the same. Excellent college coach, but wouldn't be that confident seeing him cross over.

But it's worth a shot.....if not him the only people I'd be thinking of as a second choice and that's if they are interested is Bill Cowher and Teryl Austin. Just like QBs there's not a whole lot of great HC candidates out right now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But it's worth a shot.....if not him the only people I'd be thinking of as a second choice and that's if they are interested is Bill Cowher and Teryl Austin. Just like QBs there's not a whole lot of great HC candidates out right now.

Key point to remember when talking about firing MM. I think many think you release a player or a coach and you automatically find an upgrade for that person. Is that always the case?

We all assume and hope Gute is an upgrade over TT and so far he seems to be doing a lot of good things, but only time and results will give us those answers and even then, they may not be overtly clear all the time.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Urban Meyer - With the mess he's made at Ohio State he'll probably never coach anywhere else at the college level again if he's fired. The NFL would be the perfect escape.

Well, he merely got suspended three games, plus the NFL has a hard line on domestic violence now, the situation he got caught up in.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

No doubt when MM's time is up in Green Bay there will be some positive and negative things to remember about the guy. Some of them being fully open to interpretation and discussion, but in 50 years what most people will remember him for is this number, or however it ends up when he is done.

131–78–1 (.626)

We can all debate today why his winning percentage is pretty favorable and paint any kind of picture that we want, but that stat is usually the one that jumps out in the history books.

I'm pretty confident that, as things stand today, the stat that MM will be most remembered for is: "Had best QB ever, went to one Super Bowl"

 

[lambeaulambo]

I think Chucky would jump ship to come to GB again....just sayin

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I'm pretty confident that, as things stand today, the stat that MM will be most remembered for is: "Had best QB ever, went to one Super Bowl"

RIDICULOUS!!!

 

[Packer Brother]

No doubt when MM's time is up in Green Bay there will be some positive and negative things to remember about the guy. Some of them being fully open to interpretation and discussion, but in 50 years what most people will remember him for is this number, or however it ends up when he is done.

131–78–1 (.626)

We can all debate today why his winning percentage is pretty favorable and paint any kind of picture that we want, but that stat is usually the one that jumps out in the history books.

Disagree. This franchise is judged on super bowl titles. Pending they don't win another, I'll remember him as a coach who blew the NFCCG in Seattle. A coach who got obliterated by Atlanta.

His record without Rodgers tells the story. That's what has me convinced he didn't play a huge role in " Developing" him. Good, not great coach. Funny, because those are three words I'd use to describe this franchise since 92: Good, not great. 2 SB titles in 26 years with 2 HOF QB's isn't acceptable.

 

[Packer Brother]

RIDICULOUS!!!

Why is it ridiculous? It's a fair point to make. Unless you were being sarcastic.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

IF Aaron goes down and Kizer is only as ready as Brett Hundley was last year.

 

[rmontro]

Pending they don't win another, I'll remember him as a coach who blew the NFCCG in Seattle. A coach who got obliterated by Atlanta.

His record without Rodgers tells the story. That's what has me convinced he didn't play a huge role in " Developing" him. Good, not great coach. Funny, because those are three words I'd use to describe this franchise since 92: Good, not great. 2 SB titles in 26 years with 2 HOF QB's isn't acceptable.

Nice post, plenty of points to go over.
To be fair, the current collective bargaining agreement has placed limits on practice time since McCarthy was developing Rodgers. That could have a hand in why Hundley didn't perform up to expectations.

2 Super Bowl titles in 26 years: It's like the glass is half full or half empty. Some franchises haven't had ANY SB titles in that period of time, and some franchises haven't had ANY HOF quarterbacks either. In a way, we've been fortunate. But I agree with you, I'm the greedy type, I'm not content with it either.

Regarding Atlanta, the Packers STILL haven't proven they can beat them, but I'll be optimistic. Even though there are several teams in the NFC that are supposed to be better than the Falcons.

As far as the NFCCG against Seattle goes, McCarthy was definitely a factor, but I've always said everybody on the team contributed to that loss (except Crosby).

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

IF Aaron goes down and Kizer is only as ready as Brett Hundley was last year.

While Kizer may be number two on the roster for now, the fact they decided to go with Boyle at 3 tells me they're not banking on just one insurance policy should something happen to Rodgers. MM would probably still be a little more patient with him than he should, but I think he would get a shorter rope than Hundley.