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Who would trade for Alexander when he's got a big contract and only plays a couple of games a year if you're lucky? He's such a big mismatch in pay vs value that there isn't much you can do with him.
I always think it’s beneficial to ask if the shoe was on the other foot… how much would YOU trade for Alexander right now? Say he was on another team and they were shopping him. What would you give up?

For his contract and injury history I’d probably ask for Jaire and a 5th in exchange for a 7th or something like that lol. I like the guy as a player but I’m not spending anything of substance to take on that salary with his issues
 

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You know what seems familiar? The fact the Packers despite everything have ALMOST ALWAYS been one of the best teams in the league which is very hard to win in.
It's true, they're consistently in the conversation for the playoffs, or being almost a top team. But no matter how often we get into the playoffs, it seems like there is always at least one team in the NFC better than us. Except for in '96 and 2010 (and '97).
 

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It's true, they're consistently in the conversation for the playoffs, or being almost a top team. But no matter how often we get into the playoffs, it seems like there is always at least one team in the NFC better than us. Except for in '96 and 2010 (and '97).

Cannot deny it for sure.
 

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To the statistically able here, how many times in the 3 seasons have we given up career games to quarterbacks? Off the top of my head this game and baker just last year. I'm sure there are at least 6 more
It's a Green Bay tradition, unfortunately.
 

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Who would trade for Alexander when he's got a big contract and only plays a couple of games a year if you're lucky? He's such a big mismatch in pay vs value that there isn't much you can do with him.

Teams that have faced him last couple years know how good he is. And his contract really to a new team isn’t terrible. On top of that they could even sit down with Jaire and work on a restructure and then trade for that reason.

I have already said I fully understand trading him but the dude is elite when in and I don’t want him in the NFC and hope we only play him once a year in a SB.
 

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In truth when Zayne got hurt with Williams out I knew Darnold was gonna feast - we had to all know this.

Valentine showed some absolute grit this game though, even on some of Jefferson’s catches he was all over him.
 

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You can’t look at this game say “ oh if MLF had kicked it or the refs hadn’t given that second chance - we would have won”. We got thoroughly outplayed for 3 1/2 quarters - we DESERVED to lose. But if we get healthy(er) and play better (we did not play well today…. We can compete … showed that this week, showed it against Detroit, showed it week one against Philly. Thats the NFL. Get into the tournament and play your best ball. Go as far as you can and get better next year regardless if you lose in the first round or win it all. Green Bay is in a position MOST teams envy.
You are right. They did get thoroughly outplayed for 3 1/2 quarters. That's exactly what's going to happen in the wildcard round. That's who they are. MLF's teams CHOKE.
 

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Of course they are not. Is anyone claiming they are, though?

I think it is pretty clear that they *are* indeed better than us. And so as I've been saying...we will need to have an "up" game and them a "down" one to have a chance.

But it's not just about the Vikings either. There are three teams ahead of us in the NFC standings (not playoff seeds, of course). Lions, Vikings, Eagles. And all five of our losses have came against those teams. With only one game remaining against the Bears, if nothing else it's not particularly encouraging to be heading into the playoffs with us having been incapable thus far of beating a team that is "better" than us.


My point was not to say that we have always been terrible or anything like that, but rather that more or less in the "LaFleur era" when all the chips are down in high-stakes/high-importance situations it seems like more often than not *we* are the side coming up short. Like I said, be honest: how many of us were confident *we* would be the ones making the stop there to get the ball back for the win? I have to think that your average Minnesota fan is considerably more confident in their team's ability to close out that game than your average Packer fan is (or should be) in their team's ability to get the stop and get in a position to win.


And why does it consistently feel like this is the case in the big games?

And...why does it consistently feel like this is ALSO the case?

How true is that, though? We've got one game left in the season and we still apparently don't know where our ceiling is. Having lost every time we have played a "better" opponent, Jaire or not...what reason do we have to be confident that it is "good and capable" enough to get over the hill the next time around?


Here is the part that I take issue with though (and likewise: It's nothing personal here, either). But a lot of this line of thinking feels like the same as the old saying, "crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which fills up faster". You don't win any awards for "being able to hang with anyone".

As before...why does it consistently feel like this is the case?

And...stop me if you've heard this one before...why does this too seem to consistently be the case?
This is what I also mean by "always the bridesmaid, never the bride": we are constantly talking about how IF all these pieces finally coalesce and come together then we'll make some noise. Just endlessly frustrating year after year to have that one or two (or more) pieces that never actually come together: IF we get healthy, IF our "project players" we drafted make good on their potential, IF one of our WRs becomes a #1 for us, IF our players execute better, IF we clean up our penalties, and so on and so forth. Just feels like there is always going to be one or two big IFs in the way, and that's a real bummer.

That's the trouble for me. Like above: Maybe that's the case but we haven't shown it yet. 0/5 against the teams who are ahead of us. It seems like we are stuck in that "good enough to compete but not win" bracket at the moment. Of course it's possible, but again I'll ask: if we are being honest with ourselves, who is confident that this WILL happen come playoff time? Not "I think it could happen" but "I believe this will happen". That's where the sticky point is for me.
Hear @#$&+*/ Hear! It's said absolutely perfectly in your IF's argument. Too many times have folks jumped on the if train, we won just 2 titles with w HOF QB's. It may be difficult for some, but something has to change. It's getting stale to at best be the bridesmaid. I can't wait until I'm either almost dead or dead to compete for another SB. We aren't rebuilding bad, but for for Pete's sake, are we looking at a title every 15 now? You ever heard the phrase that if a bullfrog had wings, that it wouldn't bump it's a** every time it hops?
 

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In truth when Zayne got hurt with Williams out I knew Darnold was gonna feast - we had to all know this.

Valentine showed some absolute grit this game though, even on some of Jefferson’s catches he was all over him.
Valentine and Nixon have both played fairly well with Jaire out. The Vikings receiving options are very deep. Nailor killed us as the #3, just like Tim Patrick did in the Lions game.
 

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Hear @#$&+*/ Hear! It's said absolutely perfectly in your IF's argument. Too many times have folks jumped on the if train, we won just 2 titles with w HOF QB's. It may be difficult for some, but something has to change. It's getting stale to at best be the bridesmaid. I can't wait until I'm either almost dead or dead to compete for another SB. We aren't rebuilding bad, but for for Pete's sake, are we looking at a title every 15 now? You ever heard the phrase that if a bullfrog had wings, that it wouldn't bump it's a** every time it hops?

Compete for a Super Bowl, or do you mean in the Super Bowl? Genuine question because at least IMO grossly different things.
 
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Alexander has issues coming back from injuries. Something isn't right. I think he"s going to cut in the off season which starts in 2 weeks. Packers got beat on the LOS again. That's where the lack of athleticism really shows up. I posted earlier this week that the makeshift secondary wasn't going to cut it. That wasn't surprising. What was the surprise is how poorly the offense played.
Yes. As I was saying the MN Defense more Won the day. We were missing several players on D but their Offensr still couldn’t put us away until they were a FG losing. The Vikings so stymie teams and then play to not lose. But their Offense is just good enough to put you away with a last minute big play.
 
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if nothing else it's not particularly encouraging to be heading into the playoffs with us having been incapable thus far of beating a team that is "better" than us.
True. The good news is we do have talent. We just haven’t put it fully together against a great team.

I’ll only say that I still believe we have been extra cautious holding players. If Washington Wins we are locked in a 7th seed no matter. I’d get healthy. I fully expect 4 of 6 to be injected into our Wildcard game.
Luke, Christian, Marshawn, Quay, Evan, J’aire
 
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True. The good news is we do have talent. We just haven’t put it fully together against a great team.

Secondly, had the Ref not erased the MN FG try (that even a Ref correspondent said normally doesn’t get called) packers would’ve been up 1 point with MN needing a FG to win. Not saying they couldn’t have driven down and gotten it. But let’s not act like this wasn’t a close game. So my point is this. We got outplayed for 3.5 Quarters and lost by 2 points. At Brazil we outplayed Philly for 3.5 Quarters and we were a 43 yard missed FG and failed 2-point try from an OT. At Detroit we lost on a Walk off FG in a Tie game. At Lambeau we lost by 2 points to the Vikings with several players injured and a gimpy QB.

ONLY the DETROIT LIONS while healthy have proved they completely outplayed us in convincing fashion
(10 points).

While we might not be ahead of the Lions or Philly or Vikings. We are talking about teams that all have
13-14 Wins. They aren’t frauds. We are that true 11-12 Win Team and that’s nothing be ashamed of.

One thing I noticed is we went conservative on using Musgrave and conservative holding out Alexander or Williams or Walker. We also held out Watson. That’s 5 starters. It’s not Detroit level injuries but we 100% went ultra conservative. I still think if we get 3-4 of those 5 players back healthy by Wildcard Weekend AND don’t lose anyone next week?

I’m not saying we are favored, but we have a legit chance of an upset with Philly, MN or Detroit. The average loss this season for the Packers was 4.4 points. 4 of 5 losses were 1 score games. 3 of 5 were decided by a REF
Field Goal or less.
I think Musgrave was possibly on a pitch count tonight.
 

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I don’t know about folks saying we are heading into the playoffs without beating anyone better than us….they way folks talking we are one of the worst.

Also if you beat someone better than you, aren’t you then better than them by some folks logic?
 
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I think part of that was our front failed tho too. Their front was much better attacking this game it seemed consistently.
I’m not making excuses here. We were outplayed. That said I feel like our Offense is capable of much more than we saw tonight. Credit Minnesota Defense they played very good, tight coverage and harassed our Receivers.

I think we missed the boat. We NEED to get Musgrave, Jacobs and Wilson involved in the passing game. It’s almost like we went Vanilla. That group had 1 target. That’s a HUGE opportunity to work on imo.
 

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I don’t know about folks saying we are heading into the playoffs without beating anyone better than us….they way folks talking we are one of the worst.

Also if you beat someone better than you, aren’t you then better than them by some folks logic?
We beat the Rams... if we don't, the Rams have a better record than us.

And don't anyone respond with they had injuries when we played them... so did we, and injuries are part of the game.
 
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What’s weird is we punished Seattle at Seattle. It was never even close. 30-13

The Vikings went into Seattle the very next week and Seattle was winning
24-20 with 4 minutes left in the game.

I know it’s not always a direct comparison, but we beat up on Seattle. The same team in the same stadium gave MN trouble 24-27

We are not a normal team. We go on the road and often play better than at home. Makes zero sense. It used to be we dominated at home and struggled more in road games.

I’m not giving up on GB. I like where we are headed. Maybe it’s not our year but if we just play up with energy (get rested) and get a few players back and make a response? I think we can Win on Wilcard against a Top team. I pray it’s Detroit or Minnesota I’m being serious. I think we can upset either, not as confident with Philly.
 

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What’s weird is we punished Seattle at Seattle. It was never even close. 30-13

The Vikings went into Seattle the very next week and Seattle was winning
24-20 with 4 minutes left in the game.

I know it’s not always a direct comparison, but we beat up on Seattle. The same team in the same stadium gave MN trouble 24-27
Any given Sunday. I, like you, feel we can beat any team in the league. We need to play better than today, but we have 5 loses by a total of 22 pts, and only 1 of those games by more than 1 score.
 
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Maybe it’s not our year. I still think we got better off last years team. We just have a better division imo. We need a pair of really good FA and we have $64Mil #12 best cap available. Get a great veterans CB and DE. Then go draft another DT, WR, OC, 1-2-3 and maybe a 2nd CB In RD4.
Then come in strong in 2025.
 
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Any given Sunday. I, like you, feel we can beat any team in the league. We need to play better than today, but we have 5 loses by a total of 22 pts, and only 1 of those games by more than 1 score.
We played D+ C- and we need to play B B+ to beat these guys. I liked how we fought back. Great resilience.
 

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Maybe it’s not our year. I still think we got better off last years team. We just have a better division imo. We need a pair of really good FA and we have $64Mil #12 best cap available. Get a great veterans CB and DE. Then go draft another DT, WR, OC, 1-2-3 and come in strong in 2025.
Crazy that we can finish 12-5 , and possibly be the 7th seed in the NFC, all 5 losses to teams better than us. Go 2 and 3 in those games and your looking at a possible #1 seed, because those teams above us have another loss.
 
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Crazy that we can finish 12-5 , and possibly be the 7th seed in the NFC, all 5 losses to teams better than us. Go 2 and 3 in those games and your looking at a possible #1 seed, because those teams above us have another loss.
I’m telling you as sure as I’m typing this. A team or two will slip or rise inside 2-3 weeks. Be the team that rises

The records get swept away in 1 more week. Everyone loses that record. We’ll start 0-0

We also have plenty of film on Detroit, Philly and MN. hard to win 3 in a row against a playoff caliber team in any sport.
 
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Atlanta is battling at Washington. We still have a shot at playing for the 6th we need Atlanta to Win
 

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The passing game needs to click imo. Love will need some time against these better defenses and LaFleur will have to make good calls.
 

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