LB Ahmad Brooks to the Packers

[Pkrjones]

The mistake would be the knee jerk reaction of letting guys go because they don't immediately meet expectations.

Khyri Thornton, Abdul Hodge, Brian Brohm, Alex Green, Jerel Worthy. All 3rd round or higher picks that TT wasn't afraid to cut and move on.

 

[Dblbogey]

Clay injured his mystery? oO

Don't make light, mystery injuries are usually fatal.

 

[Dantés]

Khyri Thornton, Abdul Hodge, Brian Brohm, Alex Green, Jerel Worthy. All 3rd round or higher picks that TT wasn't afraid to cut and move on.

Ok, that's fair to bring up guys who came in and just couldn't play. But that is not Fackrell and that is not Spriggs. Fackrell had moments as a rookie. He may never be good, but he showed enough to allow for the possibility. Spriggs has the same hole in his game that's he's had since his Indiana days. But he's enormously talented and it's clear how he could be exceptionally valuable if he plugs that hole. I'm saying it's a mistake to cut guys like that after one season, even if down the road they prove incapable of improving as needed.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Clay hurt? Put the spray bottle down...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That's such utter nonsense.

There will always be a certain amount of drafted players that don't make it in the NFL.

It is virtually never a mistake to keep a 2nd or 3rd round pick more than one season to give them a chance to pay off. Sometimes it won't work out in the long run, but that didn't make the decision to give it a chance a mistake.

The mistake would be the knee jerk reaction of letting guys go because they don't immediately meet expectations.

Once again, I agree that it's definitely too early to move on from either Fackrell or Spriggs. But it's utter nonsense not to consider it a mistake if a team holds on to a draft pick solely based on the round he was selected in for three or four years without him developing into a decent contributor. Heck, it should even be regarded as a failure to have picked him in the first place.

It doesn't always happen on your time table and it certainly doesn't usually happen in a season. Almost every player, barring injury, is better in year 3-4 than they were in years 1 and 2.

As I've mentioned repeatedly only 16 of the Packers' 46 draft picks from 2011-15 significantly improved over their rookie contracts.

Spriggs has the same hole in his game that's he's had since his Indiana days. But he's enormously talented and it's clear how he could be exceptionally valuable if he plugs that hole.

Spriggs might have been considered extremely talented coming out of Indiana but definitely hasn't been able to transform it onto the field.

 

[Dantés]

Once again, I agree that it's definitely too early to move on from either Fackrell or Spriggs. But it's utter nonsense not to consider it a mistake if a team holds on to a draft pick solely based on the round he was selected in for three or four years without him developing into a decent contributor. Heck, it should even be regarded as a failure to have picked him in the first place.



As I've mentioned repeatedly only 16 of the Packers' 46 draft picks from 2011-15 significantly improved over their rookie contracts.



Spriggs might have been considered extremely talented coming out of Indiana but definitely hasn't been able to transform it onto the field.

Who said it's just because of their draft pick investment?

 

[Candidate for Deletion]

Don't make light, mystery injuries are usually fatal.

very illuminating, my apologies

 

[brandon2348]

Ok, that's fair to bring up guys who came in and just couldn't play. But that is not Fackrell and that is not Spriggs. Fackrell had moments as a rookie. .

He had "moments at the combine" you mean. The guys college tape is very mediocre and that was at lowly Utah State.

It would be a miracle to expect some magic light to automatically turn on at this point. You guys can hold onto hope here but I'm off the Frackrell train and was never really on it.

PASS.

 

[HardRightEdge]

He had "moments at the combine" you mean. The guys college tape is very mediocre and that was at lowly Utah State.

It would be a miracle to expect some magic light to automatically turn on at this point. You guys can hold onto hope here but I'm off the Frackrell train and was never really on it.

PASS.

Yeah, I didn't see it either. His quickness looked a tick short of NFL starter standards. You couldn't even assume he was physically underdeveloped at his age coming in (24 turning 25 last November) whereby adding bulk would not affect quickness.

Now, if he plays smart, mistake free football he can be an adequate spot rotation guy. But you would not want this guy taking 60 - 70% snaps all year.

 

[brandon2348]

Yeah, I didn't see it either. His quickness looked a tick short of NFL starter standards. You couldn't even assume he was physically underdeveloped at his age coming in (24 turning 25 last November) whereby adding bulk would not affect quickness.

Now, if he plays smart, mistake free football he can be an adequate spot rotation guy. But you would not want this guy taking 60 - 70% snaps all year.

He can't really bend effectively either. he is tight as a drum . I just don't see it.

I like the UDFA Johnathan Clavin as the better prospect. Just seems more to work with there as far as a comfortable football player.

 

[SoonerPack]

The fact Brooks met with the brass yesterday and didn't sign isn't a great sign for those of us hoping Ted pulls the trigger. It's not often when a proven guy comes available and happens to be playing the same position you need help at...desperately! My gosh this signing makes so much sense for so many reasons. PLEASE TED, SIGN THIS MAN.

G P G

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I like the UDFA Johnathan Clavin as the better prospect. Just seems more to work with there as far as a comfortable football player.

or here is a thought.......sign Brooks!

 

[HardRightEdge]

He can't really bend effectively either. he is tight as a drum . I just don't see it.

I like the UDFA Johnathan Clavin as the better prospect. Just seems more to work with there as far as a comfortable football player.

I have not taken note of Calvin in this preseason. I assume he's getting snaps in the preseason's 4th. quarter East-West Shrine Game equivalent. I'll have to watch for him in this last go round.

 

[Mondio]

The fact Brooks met with the brass yesterday and didn't sign isn't a great sign for those of us hoping Ted pulls the trigger. It's not often when a proven guy comes available and happens to be playing the same position you need help at...desperately! My gosh this signing makes so much sense for so many reasons. PLEASE TED, SIGN THIS MAN.

G P G

that's the same thing people said with Cook last year.

 

[HardRightEdge]

The fact Brooks met with the brass yesterday and didn't sign isn't a great sign for those of us hoping Ted pulls the trigger. It's not often when a proven guy comes available and happens to be playing the same position you need help at...desperately! My gosh this signing makes so much sense for so many reasons. PLEASE TED, SIGN THIS MAN.

G P G

In Green Bay, many tires are kicked, few are chosen. And when the few are chosen, they seem to come out of left field, rumor free.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Pretty good summary of the State of OLB in Green Bay.

https://lombardiave.com/2017/08/29/green-bay-packers-edge-rusher-injuries/

 

[BigCheese]

As the injury prone label keeps getting thrown around:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/230850/these-nfl-players-never-missed-a-snap-in-2016

 

[C-Lee]

Silence is actually a good sign when it comes to Green Bay.

 

[ls1bob]

Silence is actually a good sign when it comes to Green Bay.

I think this is a case of no news is good news since there are no indications he has another team to visit coming up soon.

 

[SoonerPack]

I think this is a case of no news is good news since there are no indications he has another team to visit coming up soon.

The Broncos have been named by multiple sources. That is where my concern comes from. Having a chance to possibly join that D could prove awfully tempting. With guys like Miller and Ray, he would see a lot of one on one matchups from which he could rack up sacks.

I just feel so strongly this guy could be a game-changer for us and want him signed ASAP. Right fit at the right time. Pull the trigger.

 

[El Guapo]

Just because he visited, doesn't mean that he impressed the coaches. We also have no clue what his agent offered for salary. Green Bay has let guys test the market to see if they really command that kind of pay. Even if Denver wants him, at this point, do you think that he wants to join a great defense to pad his stats or join a team with legit Super Bowl potential? I don't know the answer to that either. He could be chasing money or chasing his dream. Only time will tell.

 

[swhitset]

Just because he visited, doesn't mean that he impressed the coaches. We also have no clue what his agent offered for salary. Green Bay has let guys test the market to see if they really command that kind of pay. Even if Denver wants him, at this point, do you think that he wants to join a great defense to pad his stats or join a team with legit Super Bowl potential? I don't know the answer to that either. He could be chasing money or chasing his dream. Only time will tell.

It would seem to me that Denver has legit SuperBowl potential.

 

[SoonerPack]

Just because he visited, doesn't mean that he impressed the coaches. We also have no clue what his agent offered for salary. Green Bay has let guys test the market to see if they really command that kind of pay. Even if Denver wants him, at this point, do you think that he wants to join a great defense to pad his stats or join a team with legit Super Bowl potential? I don't know the answer to that either. He could be chasing money or chasing his dream. Only time will tell.

Denver IS a legit SB contender. They need a middle of the road offense to be a dangerous team with that D. They have two solid WR's, 2 quality RB's and need just enough from their QB to score enough to win. That D will keep most teams in the teens to low 20's, I feel. We obviously have differing views of Denver's potential.

 

[El Guapo]

I think that Denver is a legit playoff contender. They need a good QB, a starting RB, and a competent OL to be in serious consideration for the SB. Sieman needs to step up, not to Rodgers level, but needs to be more than he's been.

Defense doesn't win championships - except for 2000 Ravens. Offense wins in the modern era, and it helps a LOT if you've got a good defense. I see a Denver offense that is about as competent as Dilfer's in 2000 but the defense isn't of the same caliber - which, was one of the greatest of all time.

 

[C-Lee]

I see Denver being a wild card team at best. Their QB situation is VERY suspect (I know Peyton sucked when they won in 2015 but it was still Peyton)