King has to be gone/upgraded

[longtimefan]

How different people view same player... honorable mention for a good game

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Kevin King, Kenny Clark, Jaire Alexander, Adrian Amos, Krys Barnes and Darnell Savage

 

[PackinMSP]

How different people view same player... honorable mention for a good game

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packe...ls-708?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

So actually I originally liked King a lot, but he just doesn't make enough impact plays (interceptions)

To be worth being an injury risk and a poor tackler

I mean is he a better cover guy than Randall, Gunter, Hawkins and all those other scrubs we had?

Yes obviously

Is he better than Shields(pre injury), no .... so I mean obviously with someone as good as J'aire we should be looking for a guy opposite him to match the Woodson/Harris type combo

 

[Guacamole]

I'd place serious money not a single player not named Davante catches that ball so many say he should have had easily.

Thrown ball in the NFL, that he couldn't see until it got past the people it was intended for infront of him, and was at his knees....sorry not a "should have had" interception. It is a get lucky if intercepted.

can someone translate this?

 

[tynimiller]

can someone translate this?

What is so tough about it? Everyone is saying he should have caught that ball easy peasy....I laugh at that claim.

It was a pass thrown on an NFL field.
That he couldn't see at all due to multiple players between him and the ball.
The ball gets pass the players infront of him and the ball isn't seen until mere feet away from him.
To make it even worse, the ball was at his knees.

NOT a "should have been picked" scenario. MVS should have caught that one deep ball, Kevin King would have been lucky to have caught this thing.

 

[Mondio]

Kevin King plays up and physical, he plays off and soft. I'm sure whichever he is doing is what he's being asked to do in the defensive call. He's not jaire, and he's hardly a scrub. Biggest knocks are injury prone and tackling. I think the tackling has come from above to try and save his shoulders by not exposing them with "form tackles" against RB's and TE's. He didn't always curl up. But then he'd get knocked out every other game too it seemed.

He's not an all pro, but he won't be easy to replace either. I think some fans fail to see that.

 

[Guacamole]

What is so tough about it? Everyone is saying he should have caught that ball easy peasy....I laugh at that claim.

It was a pass thrown on an NFL field.
That he couldn't see at all due to multiple players between him and the ball.
The ball gets pass the players infront of him and the ball isn't seen until mere feet away from him.
To make it even worse, the ball was at his knees.

NOT a "should have been picked" scenario. MVS should have caught that one deep ball, Kevin King would have been lucky to have caught this thing.

go back to your post and read it out loud and you will understand why I asked for a translator

 

[tynimiller]

go back to your post and read it out loud and you will understand why I asked for a translator

Gotcha, probably just quick posting is all.

 

[Mondio]

I understood it, even while being distracted by your lovely "nibbles"

 

[gbgary]

I've thought he was a bust in the past, because he couldn't stay on the field, but he's been solid two years in a row and pretty healthy. sometimes he throws himself at people in an attempt to tackle them but he'll wrap them up too. he plays a tough position and gets picked on because who else is the opposition going to throw at? gone would be bad. upgrading from him will be tough. most likely a cap causality.

 

[PikeBadger]

We’ll probably have to live with at least being slightly less proficient at that position next year. Hopefully, his replacement will be able to pick off 3 or 4. Regardless of whoever takes his place, that guy is going to get picked on a lot early next season IMO.

 

[El Guapo]

I'm in the middle. I like King and think that he is a good player, a lot like AJ Hawk was in 2010 or Blake Martinez was last season. They are good at their jobs, but do not make plays that push them into 'great player' status.

On top of it, King has the injury history. I would welcome him back at a reasonable price as long as we also draft another CB. I would not bet much salary cap on him being able to stay healthy.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

King plays physical, but his tackling has been an issue. I sometimes wonder if it's mental, as if he's wondering if he's going to hurt his shoulder again.

King does have trouble with twitchier players; but to be fair, a lot of defensive backs have the same thing on their scouting report.

What also makes King look really bad is the fact that Jaire is the other CB; unless it's an All-Pro, teams do not throw his way very often. I'd dare say King gets thrown at easily double the amount Jaire does.

Unless we go CB 2nd/3rd Round or grab one of the gems on Day 3 (Gute won't), we don't have someone on this roster who can "outproduce" King right now. I think Hollman has the potential, but for some reason Pettine/Gray does not want to give him more snaps, and like someone has already said Sullivan is not an outside CB.

 

[swhitset]

I’ve said things similar to this already but might need to clarify a bit. I think King is actually a pretty good cornerback. His injury history is the biggest negative. His tackling technique does get frustrating, but if he wasn’t a free agent, I would be happy to have him back. However, I think that is the problem... he is just good enough that I think he could command a lot more money than he really should. He is a decent cornerback.... but not a great one. Salaries for players like that can get out of hand, and the Packers cannot Afford much of anything.

 

[El Guapo]

Maybe someone should pull a Lombardi and turn ESB or similar into a CB, ala Herb Adderley.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Adderly was 6'0, not 6'5. EQSB would have a tougher problem matching up against twitchier players than King would.

 

[tynimiller]

Maybe someone should pull a Lombardi and turn ESB or similar into a CB, ala Herb Adderley.

The only WR I think may be able to do this is Darrius Shepherd. His quick twitch and fluid hips seem capable....but only in emergency would I do this. At best you're looking at a two year project that may result in a #4 CB.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think the Packers are fine with King being the starting cornerback opposite Alexander entering this year's playoffs.

There's no reason to sign him to a lucrative deal this offseason to stay in Green Bay though.

What also makes King look really bad is the fact that Jaire is the other CB; unless it's an All-Pro, teams do not throw his way very often. I'd dare say King gets thrown at easily double the amount Jaire does.

You would be wrong about it. Opponents targeted Alexander once every 11.3 snaps while King only once every 11.6.

 

[Mondio]

i don't think any of our WR's are going to be a DB for us or anyone else. I think DB is going to be a fairly high draft pick regardless of King next year. you NEED 3-4-5 that are more than just guys. If King is back it will likely be because we got him at a discount because everyone else is afraid to invest big bucks in an unreliable player because of injury. and if that's the case, we should be smart enough to have learned we can't count on him for an entire season either and need someone in the pipeline already at the nickel or dime position that can step into a starting role soon.

 

[PackinMSP]

Opponents aren't treating J''aire like Revis in his prime yet, but my guess is next year they will lol

My point is that King is definitely above average to good in coverage but TERRIBLE at tackling...this would be fine IF he could cause more turnovers/interceptions.


But King doesn't, except last year, let's hope he can start getting interceptions going forward

 

[Poppa San]

You would be wrong about it. Opponents targeted Alexander once every 11.3 snaps while King only once every 11.6.

This is one stat that fails the eye test.

 

[gbgary]

This is one stat that fails the eye test.

yup. jaire only allowed 14 completions this season...4 in the first game. that's crazy good.

 

[tynimiller]

yup. jaire only allowed 14 completions this season...4 in the first game. that's crazy good.

Typical Bears fan friend of mine said on Facebook he faced nobody all year though...LOL

 

[pacmaniac]

Opponents targeted Alexander once every 11.3 snaps while King only once every 11.6.

Do they even count it as a target against King if he plays so far off his man?!

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

You would be wrong about it. Opponents targeted Alexander once every 11.3 snaps while King only once every 11.6.

Source? Not disputing it but I agree with @Poppa San that that statistic definitely wouldn't pass my own scouting report.

 

[Poppa San]

Source? Not disputing it but I agree with @Poppa San that that statistic definitely wouldn't pass my own scouting report.

I do recall Tannehill was stupid enough to keep throwing at him. That might have skewed the stats. Few zone coverage when they were playing soft and it adds up. Still doesn't seem like it though.