Justin Houston released, bring him to Green Bay???

[thequick12]

If the chiefs do indeed release Justin Houston I wonder who would be in favor of signing him and for what ?

 

[Snoops]

Why the misleading headline

 

[thequick12]

Why the misleading headline

Accident, ment to put question mark. With his lb coach already in GB and him being the kind of signing the Packers have made under TT but also under gute (JG) it's certainly a possibility of a

 

[Snoops]

Accident, ment to put question mark. With his lb coach already in GB and him being the kind of signing the Packers have made under TT but also under gute (JG) it's certainly a possibility of a

Yeah I hear ya I just read more into it I’d fix it before someone else says something lol but they absolutely should sign him

 

[Poppa San]

Why the misleading headline

I fixed it to be less fake

 

[HardRightEdge]

I can't see why KC would cut Houston at this early date. The usual sites give no indication of any roster bonus. Even the workout bonus is a scant $250,000. There is simply no advantage in doing so until trade options are exhausted or the first OTAs where they might want to avoid the distraction.

In trade, an acquiring team would take less than $10 mil in cap hit for 2019 with no dead cap, and there is no dead cap in 2020 if that team decided they did not want to pay the $17 mil in salary and release him.

In fact, if KC was actually about to cut him, it would seem that for a crappy pick you bring him to camp and then cut him if you did not think he was worth that <$10 mil for a rent-a-player. I can't help but think such a report is premature unless the Chiefs are making a magnanimous gesture allowing Houston to control his own destiny in free agency. There ain't much magnanimity in this league.

I would not advocate this move for the Packers. A rent-a-player in trade might solve something for some teams but not here, not now. As for signing him in free agency I advocate a discipline whereby younger players are signed for a multi-year runway.

 

[Snoops]

We need to sign anbody and everyone that is gonna help win now... it’s time to pay and gamble ffs Rodgers has a few good yrs left Houston is better than anyone on our teams as far as linebackers goes we need anyone and everyone that is gonna help it’s time to stop with the bs let’s GOOOOOO!!

 

[HardRightEdge]

We need to sign anbody and everyone that is gonna help win now... it’s time to pay and gamble ffs Rodgers has a few good yrs left!

That's a common sentiment I cannot share.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I can't see why KC would cut Houston at this early date. The usual sites give no indication of any roster bonus. Even the workout bonus is a scant $250,000. There is simply no advantage in doing so until trade options are exhausted or the first OTAs where they might want to avoid the distraction.

In trade, an acquiring team would take less than $10 mil in cap hit for 2019 with no dead cap, and there is no dead cap in 2020 if that team decided they did not want to pay the $17 mil in salary and release him.

In fact, if KC was actually about to cut him, it would seem that for a crappy pick you bring him to camp and then cut him if you did not think he was worth that <$10 mil for a rent-a-player. I can't help but think such a report is premature unless the Chiefs are making a magnanimous gesture allowing Houston to control his own destiny in free agency. There ain't much magnanimity in this league.

I would not advocate this move for the Packers. A rent-a-player in trade might solve something for some teams but not here, not now. As for signing him in free agency I advocate a discipline whereby younger players are signed for a multi-year runway.

The Chiefs might be forced to release Houston before the start of the league year to fit Ford's franchise tag under the cap as they currently have only $10 million of cap space.

I agree the Packers shouldn't be interested in bringing him but might want to inquire about Ford's availability in a trade with Kansas City though.

We need to sign anbody and everyone that is gonna help win now...

The Packers still have to be smart about the salary cap though.

 

[Mondio]

I like Houston, I'd love houston if everything else was in place. If someone like him does come aboard, it would have to be cheap, which it won't be cheap enough, because he likely won't be around in 2 years at a level we need, when the rest of the team is ready. As it stands we'd be spending money on an investment that isn't really an investment we need. If they're signing anybody in FA they need to be young and need to be in it for the next 4-5 years.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Justin Houston, 2014: 22 sacks in 16 games.

Justin Houston, 2018: 9 sacks in 12 games.


Obviously his production has declined, but 9 sacks in 12 games is still a decent amount. Other stats available at the link below.

As always, it depends - On how much he wants, and for how long.

I think this is a guy that Pettine could use, so it's worth exploring.



https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HousJu00.htm

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Justin Houston, 2014: 22 sacks in 16 games.

Justin Houston, 2018: 9 sacks in 12 games.


Obviously his production has declined, but 9 sacks in 12 games is still a decent amount. Other stats available at the link below.

As always, it depends - On how much he wants, and for how long.

I think this is a guy that Pettine could use, so it's worth exploring.



https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HousJu00.htm

There's no doubt Houston is a very productive player. The Packers need to add young talent to the roster to stay competitive for the rest of Rodgers career though.

 

[Mondio]

I have no problems with his production at all or him as a player. I'd rather that 10 million or more that it will likely take to sign him go towards a younger guy on a longer contract or one of our own like Clark on an extension or save it for next year.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I have no problems with his production at all or him as a player. I'd rather that 10 million or more that it will likely take to sign him go towards a younger guy on a longer contract or one of our own like Clark on an extension or save it for next year.

I would definitely rather trade for Dee Ford than think about acquiring Justin Houston.

 

[PackerDNA]

just read at www.sportspyder.com(tweet section, right hand side of main page) that the Chiefs have cut Houston, and the Ravens will be allowing C.J. Moseley to hit free agency.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

There's no doubt Houston is a very productive player. The Packers need to add young talent to the roster to stay competitive for the rest of Rodgers career though.

Houston is 30, which is probably middle-aged for a linebacker. Yes, I agree the pack needs young players on the roster, particularly at edge-rusher. It might not be a bad thing to sprinkle one or two veterans in here and there, however, depending of course on the asking price.

I do think there will be a bit of a market for Houston, and Green Bay is probably not on the top of his wish list.

On a tangent note, I noticed daBearz just released Sam Acho…..Not an edge rusher, but considerably cheaper and a solid Special Teams contributor. Just a thought.

 

[ShockwaveRider]

I would definitely rather trade for Dee Ford than think about acquiring Justin Houston.

No, we don't need no stinkin' crybaby Dee Ford or Justin Houston I reckon.

No.

Oh wait a minute, I like BOTH of those guys. Yeah, I'd take either / both Dee Ford and / or Justin Houston in a heartbeat.

Salary cap experts, can GB AFFORD either / both of those guys?

Shockwave

 

[Mondio]

I'm not expert, but yes they can afford them from a cap sense. I'd rather Ford, he's younger and should have a longer shelf life here. of course he'll cost more, but it can be spread out more too. Houston I think will command a lot less in terms of overall numbers, but will still get a fairly significant amount in the short term and what worries me is that he's only got a short term left at a highly productive level. and to me that's just wasted money because I think we're at least a year away from really competing. Get the right young pieces in here and we're pushing for 3,4,5 years. Keep reaching for old guys to help and we might be done before we start if it doesn't all come together. Of course either way can work, but I prefer to make sound investment rather than hit the lottery.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Houston is 30, which is probably middle-aged for a linebacker. Yes, I agree the pack needs young players on the roster, particularly at edge-rusher. It might not be a bad thing to sprinkle one or two veterans in here and there, however, depending of course on the asking price.

I do think there will be a bit of a market for Houston, and Green Bay is probably not on the top of his wish list.

On a tangent note, I noticed daBearz just released Sam Acho…..Not an edge rusher, but considerably cheaper and a solid Special Teams contributor. Just a thought.

I'm in favor of the Packers adding a veteran presence at edge rusher but would prefer that player to be younger than Houston. Acho is an average player on the wrong side of 30 as well, therefore the team should pass on him.

No, we don't need no stinkin' crybaby Dee Ford or Justin Houston I reckon.

No.

Oh wait a minute, I like BOTH of those guys. Yeah, I'd take either / both Dee Ford and / or Justin Houston in a heartbeat.

Salary cap experts, can GB AFFORD either / both of those guys?

Shockwave

While the Packers could theoretically fit both Ford and Houston under the cap they wouldn't be able to make any other significant moves this offseason. It's unrealistic to expect the team being able to land one of them but there's no chance both end up in green and gold.

 

[ShockwaveRider]

I'm not expert, but yes they can afford them from a cap sense. I'd rather Ford, he's younger and should have a longer shelf life here. of course he'll cost more, but it can be spread out more too. Houston I think will command a lot less in terms of overall numbers, but will still get a fairly significant amount in the short term and what worries me is that he's only got a short term left at a highly productive level. and to me that's just wasted money because I think we're at least a year away from really competing. Get the right young pieces in here and we're pushing for 3,4,5 years. Keep reaching for old guys to help and we might be done before we start if it doesn't all come together. Of course either way can work, but I prefer to make sound investment rather than hit the lottery.

I agree with everything you posted except that we're a year away from really competing. I can't see why the Packers couldn't make the playoffs next year.

And I think Dee Ford (in addition to three Top 50 draft picks) could help get us there.

Or do you think we'd have to give up any / all of the three Top 50 picks to get him?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can't help but think such a report is premature unless the Chiefs are making a magnanimous gesture allowing Houston to control his own destiny in free agency. There ain't much magnanimity in this league.

The Chiefs might be forced to release Houston before the start of the league year to fit Ford's franchise tag under the cap as they currently have only $10 million of cap space.

I agree with Captain in why the Chiefs may be forced to cut him and I also can see the situation where leaking a story that he is being released, might make a potential trade partner flinch. Sounds like there has been luke warm interest in Houston, with his current contract being the stumbling block. Now if a team is really interested in him and it will only cost them a 4/5th rounder and a few extra million, they may flinch and not want to see him hit the open market and will pull the trigger on the trade.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And I think Dee Ford (in addition to three Top 50 draft picks) could help get us there.

Or do you think we'd have to give up any / all of the three Top 50 picks to get him?

I guess that the Packers would definitely have to give up one of those picks to trade for Ford.

 

[ShockwaveRider]

I guess that the Packers would definitely have to give up one of those picks to trade for Ford.

Well, that sucks a little bit but I'm sure more enthusiastic about signing Dee Ford than crybaby Cole Beasley or dysfunctional attitude Antonio Brown.

Did I ever mention how much I LOATHE Cole Beasley?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Well, that sucks a little bit but I'm sure more enthusiastic about signing Dee Ford than crybaby Cole Beasley or dysfunctional attitude Antonio Brown.

Ian Rapoport reports that it might take only a second round pick to acquire Ford. The Packers might be smart thinking hard about it.

 

[PackerDNA]

I'm not sold on Ford. The guy had one big year in his contract year. As he turned the corner or is that it.