Joe Whitt / Winston Moss FIRED - merged threads

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Has he regressed? or are we seeing him be put in positions he's not ready for yet? It's not too much to ask for a guy or 2 to come in and fill in. I think people are nuts to think you can take 2 rookies and an almost done vet when we play with 5-6 DB's on the field at any one time most games and a third of those players haven't been with team for 3 full weeks even and everything should be hunkydory . Has Alexander regressed too?

jackson has a skill set, covering 1 on 1 on the outside probably isn't it. It wasn't before he got here, and it's still not.

And just who is putting him in those positions?

 

[swhitset]

And just who is putting him in those positions?

Stop saying the first thing that jumps in your head just to win an argument. Any rational person would realize that they were put in those positions due to circumstances well out of Joe Whitt’s control. Whitt did not build the team... nor did he cause the injuries to King et al ... that forced the rookies to play too soon and be relied upon to the extent that they are.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Has Alexander regressed too?

I hope not, but how much has he progressed due to Whitt and how much has been on his own? I think JA came to GB a very talented player and by this time next year we may have our first Pro Bowl CB since Shields did it in 2014.

 

[Mondio]

I hope not, but how much has he progressed due to Whitt and how much has been on his own? I think JA came to GB a very talented player and by this time next year we may have our first Pro Bowl CB since Shields did it in 2014.

I don't know, i've literally never watched a single drill, heard a conversation anything. He's talented and I think its safe to say he surprised a lot of people in how well he's playing. I don't know what kind of coach Whitt is. Seems a lot of the professionals really seem to like him. Players and coaches. I think when we have some sense of normalcy on defense his units have looked anywhere from just fine to very good. it's only been thru a lot of other circumstances have they looked poor.

For what we had to put on the field just going into the game with last night was a tall task for any defensive unit, position coach, DC etc and then to finish the game with the players we had and an offense that couldn't take any stress off, it's a wonder it wasn't a 21 point game.

 

[lambeaulambo]

this guy is a complete bum and cannot coach. it starts at the top with giving him his job. poor evaluation.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

this guy is a complete bum and cannot coach. it starts at the top with giving him his job. poor evaluation.

Well we're singling him out just to be sure that if McCarthy is gone, he's not given protection by people in the front office and forced on the next HC who comes here. Such things have happened before in this league.

 

[Puppydog31]

I am so tired of the Packers secondary breaking down. Guys getting lost in coverage, guys not covering, guys who cant tackle, interference calls, etc. How many years have we been seeing this and who is the one guy who has been in the organization since 2008? How many games are we going to see average or below average QB's and receivers have career games against the Packers?

Please, I don't want to hear that he made Sam Shields a Pro Bowler, every blind squirrel finds a nut!

We have secondary players leaving Green Bay and playing much better with other teams.

Time to get rid of Whitt before he finds a way to ruin King, Jackson and Alexander.

It’s a start but I would start with firing Gutekunst,Thompson mc Carthy and the whole coaching staff. Then start chopping player heads starting with Tyrone Williams...I vote for Joe Lombardi as our next head coach...

 

[7thFloorRA]

When does Whitt ever have a healthy unit to work with? Lovat and his strength and conditioning program has devastated the corners over the years. Lets just look at this year. King, Breeland and Alexander have all missed multiple games with groin pulls. King has missed a ton of time with a hamstring now. I think that adds up to 10 total games missed by those 3 combined on muscle pulls. I didnt' count the games they started and didn't finish. I think King missed the 2nd half both times he has gotten hurt. Rollins had an injury settlement but he was another cb with a pulled hammy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It’s a start but I would start with firing Gutekunst,Thompson mc Carthy and the whole coaching staff. Then start chopping player heads starting with Tyrone Williams...I vote for Joe Lombardi as our next head coach...

Really? I think talking about firing Gute is a bit over the top. You want Green Bay to become the team known as "you get one year to prove yourself as the GM"?

Well we're singling him out just to be sure that if McCarthy is gone, he's not given protection by people in the front office and forced on the next HC who comes here. Such things have happened before in this league.

For all we know, Whitt is at the top of the list for replacing McCarthy.

 

[Puppydog31]

Really? I think talking about firing Gute is a bit over the top. You want Green Bay to become the team known as "you get one year to prove yourself as the GM"?



For all we know, Whitt is at the top of the list for replacing McCarthy.

Isn’t this the worst year we’ve had in a long time? GUTEKUNST seem to make it worse than last year..why didn’t he pull the trigger on Khalil Mack???

 

[swhitset]

This forum is filling up with looney toons.

 

[Mondio]

on the bright side they're easy to spot...

 

[rodell330]

As a DB coach and a person who runs various Defensive Back camps down here in San Antonio, TX I can tell you that the biggest problem I see with or DB’s is these guys don’t always get there head around to locate the ball. That’s one of the first things I preach to the players I coach all the way from Little league players all the way up to High School players. You have to get your head around! Especially if you are in man coverage. It’s hard to make a play on the ball if you can’t see the ball. I emphasize that in ALL my drills.

 

[Mondio]

As a DB coach and a person who runs various Defensive Back camps down here in San Antonio, TX I can tell you that the biggest problem I see with or DB’s is these guys don’t always get there head around to locate the ball. That’s one of the first things I preach to the players I coach all the way from Little league players all the way up to High School players. You have to get your head around! Especially if you are in man coverage. It’s hard to make a play on the ball if you can’t see the ball. I emphasize that in ALL my drills.

Seems to be a league wide trend to be teaching them to watch the man and make a play on the ball as they catch it. This probably came about after there was a spike in DB's turning their heads, the WR would stop and get run over and get free 30 yard plays multiple times a game. Field awareness, situational awareness etc probably all play a role in how they're coached to play it, sometimes playing man and sometimes locating ball in the air. and this is across the league, not just in GB. and BTW, I've never coached a DB or run a camp, but i do watch football and it seems fairly obvious.

 

[rodell330]

Seems to be a league wide trend to be teaching them to watch the man and make a play on the ball as they catch it. This probably came about after there was a spike in DB's turning their heads, the WR would stop and get run over and get free 30 yard plays multiple times a game. Field awareness, situational awareness etc probably all play a role in how they're coached to play it, sometimes playing man and sometimes locating ball in the air. and this is across the league, not just in GB. and BTW, I've never coached a DB or run a camp, but i do watch football and it seems fairly obvious.

I’ll put it this way....you’re more likely to get beat or get a penalty called on you if you don’t locate the ball than you are getting your head around. When I work with WRs I teach them to not even out there hands up until the last second. A flag is less likely to be thrown on a guy who at least attempts to LOCATE and make a play on the ball versus just watching a WRs hands. Back shoulder throws don’t usually work on a corner who can get his head around quick and find the ball. Idc who’s throwing it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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[Mondio]

and i'll put it the same way, it seems to be a league wide trend for DB's at times to play the ball as it arrives and others to turn and locate the ball. It's not unique to GB. I'm guess it depends on film study and what receivers are prone to do to get open, down and distance, where help is coming from and game situations

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

This forum is filling up with looney toons.

I can tell one of them woke up in a bit of a time warp. Lol, Tyrone Williams ... Guy hasn't played here in 17 years.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can tell one of them woke up in a bit of a time warp. Lol, Tyrone Williams ... Guy hasn't played here in 17 years.

He is only 45, maybe he can still play?

 

[longtimefan]

Isn’t this the worst year we’ve had in a long time? GUTEKUNST seem to make it worse than last year..why didn’t he pull the trigger on Khalil Mack???

It’s a start but I would start with firing Gutekunst,Thompson mc Carthy and the whole coaching staff. Then start chopping player heads starting with Tyrone Williams...I vote for Joe Lombardi as our next head coach...

Tyrone?

Uh huh..

 

[thequick12]

I hope not, but how much has he progressed due to Whitt and how much has been on his own? I think JA came to GB a very talented player and by this time next year we may have our first Pro Bowl CB since Shields did it in 2014.

Funny you bring up Sam shields in a post that is critical of joe whitt considering whitt had more than a little to do with shields developing from an undrafted college wr to a pro bowl NFL cb in the span of 4 years under whitts tutelage. Same story with tramon Williams minus the college wr part. Don't think whitt is the problem he is widely respected as one of the best Db coaches in the league

 

[thequick12]

As a DB coach and a person who runs various Defensive Back camps down here in San Antonio, TX I can tell you that the biggest problem I see with or DB’s is these guys don’t always get there head around to locate the ball. That’s one of the first things I preach to the players I coach all the way from Little league players all the way up to High School players. You have to get your head around! Especially if you are in man coverage. It’s hard to make a play on the ball if you can’t see the ball. I emphasize that in ALL my drills.

I agree with that totally it kills me everytime one of the dbs is in perfect position to make a pick but doesn't because they aren't aware the ball is even there. I don't get it? Now I wouldn't be able to be in that position but if I was I'm smart enough to know I'm finding the football and I'm making it mine. Ive always thought for the most part in the NFL the snarter players are the better players. Like breeland in the game before last ball hits him right in the head haha you gotta be kidding. Dude find the ball and catch it. And I'm pretty sure that's the 2nd time I've seen a ball hit him in the helmet in the few weeks he's been playing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Funny you bring up Sam shields in a post that is critical of joe whitt considering whitt had more than a little to do with shields developing from an undrafted college wr to a pro bowl NFL cb in the span of 4 years under whitts tutelage. Same story with tramon Williams minus the college wr part. Don't think whitt is the problem he is widely respected as one of the best Db coaches in the league

First Sam Shields was a WR his first 3 years in college and in his final year he made a successful switch to CB. So that switch was made before Whitt got his hands on him. But this is old news and I have brought up Sam Shields several times and given Whitt credit for his part, as well as credit to the players around Shields, in his development. But much like a lot of people wanted to say about TT and his big success with drafting Rodgers, one success doesn't necessitate a free pass for the rest of your career. The NFL and most jobs are "what have you done for me lately" and lately Whitt hasn't really shown much in the way of developing a bevy of high draft picks nor development of anyone for that matter. Not to mention his units collectively and individually have struggled for many seasons.

As far as Tramon Williams, that has been covered too. Williams came to the Packers in 2006 and Whitt became CB coach in 2009. When you are working with guys like Charles Woodson and Al Harris, it doesn't take a lot of coaching to improve.

So as much as you and others want to keep saying "he is widely respected as one of the best Db coaches in the league" you might want to look at what his players are doing and not just listen to talking heads, because I don't see it in the product he puts out on the field. TT and MM are/were widely respected for what they do, but at some point, they both have had their issues. The Packers finally decided TT's time was up and may decide the same for MM and hopefully, Joe Whitt as well.

 

[swhitset]

First Sam Shields was a WR his first 3 years in college and in his final year he made a successful switch to CB. So that switch was made before Whitt got his hands on him. But this is old news and I have brought up Sam Shields several times and given Whitt credit for his part, as well as credit to the players around Shields, in his development. But much like a lot of people wanted to say about TT and his big success with drafting Rodgers, one success doesn't necessitate a free pass for the rest of your career. The NFL and most jobs are "what have you done for me lately" and lately Whitt hasn't really shown much in the way of developing a bevy of high draft picks nor development of anyone for that matter. Not to mention his units collectively and individually have struggled for many seasons.

As far as Tramon Williams, that has been covered too. Williams came to the Packers in 2006 and Whitt became CB coach in 2009. When you are working with guys like Charles Woodson and Al Harris, it doesn't take a lot of coaching to improve.

So as much as you and others want to keep saying "he is widely respected as one of the best Db coaches in the league" you might want to look at what his players are doing and not just listen to talking heads, because I don't see it in the product he puts out on the field. TT and MM are/were widely respected for what they do, but at some point, they both have had their issues. The Packers finally decided TT's time was up and may decide the same for MM and hopefully, Joe Whitt as well.

I can see it now in my crystal ball... The Packers replace McCarthy...The new head coach decides to retain Pettine... and Pettine promotes Whitt to assistant defensive coordinator and on field defensive field general... Yeah I made that stuff up just for you Poker

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can see it now in my crystal ball... The Packers replace McCarthy...The new head coach decides to retain Pettine... and Pettine promotes Whitt to assistant defensive coordinator and on field defensive field general... Yeah I made that stuff up just for you Poker

Or even worse, Pettine is made HC and Whitt is promoted to DC! Trust me, my nightmares are very detailed when I close my eyes!