Joe Whitt / Winston Moss FIRED - merged threads

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A new coach will probably can half these clowns. They all just got a little too comfortable and saw that there were no consequences for sucking until Gute came in


True, but I still say Murphy should have had Whitt's bags packed to follow right behind MM out the door with
 

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I believe this to be more serious than some on this board want to give credence to, #12 is more of a problem than the Packers want anyone to know.

What does he mean though? I wonder how in his mind he considers Rodgers to not be living up to the Lombardi standard
 

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What does he mean though? I wonder how in his mind he considers Rodgers to not be living up to the Lombardi standard
I believe you’re focusing on the wrong words in the words you should be focusing on are hold accountable, those are the most telling words of that entire post
 

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I believe you’re focusing on the wrong words in the words you should be focusing on are hold accountable, those are the most telling words of that entire post

I guess, but that leads me to the next question of accountable for what? How’s he not being held accountable and what is he doing wrong where he needs to be held accountable for something.
 

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I guess, but that leads me to the next question of accountable for what? How’s he not being held accountable and what is he doing wrong where he needs to be held accountable for something.
That is the question, lots of talk about him changing plays, disgruntled with the coach, etc...

Old saying, where there is smoke....
 
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I guess, but that leads me to the next question of accountable for what? How’s he not being held accountable and what is he doing wrong where he needs to be held accountable for something.
That thought crossed my mind as well or more specifically, "Kettle meet pot". I have't seen a very strong line backing group out of Moss and whatever Matthews and Perry have or haven't been doing out there, WTG Winston.

Now that I reread your post, I think you meant #12. But I would still ask what has Moss been doing to keep get his linebackers playing at a high level or are Matthews and Perry uncoachable too?
 
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Ugh. You know Skip Bayless, and Colin are going to mention this tomorrow...
 

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That only matters if you watch them.
That's thing I do watch them. Even though I don't necessarily like Skip's biasness when it comes to his dislike for Aaron Rodgers and Lebron James in particular, I do find him and Shannon Sharpe to be entertaining. As for Colin I don't like the narrative he is doing for Rodgers as of late, but I do appreciate his thoughts as I do share similar thoughts when it comes to handling situations, people and what not. Colin confuses me at times, one week he'll praise and defend Rodgers, the next week he'll bury him. He's like a politician in that regard. What I find strange is that he brings up Rodgers former teammates in Jennings and Finley but he had AJ Hawk and Hawk had nothing but praise regarding Rodgers. That's how I know him along with Skip are painting this negative narrative regarding Rodgers. Molly is someone who is a Rodgers hater as well, but that's due to her ******* for Brady.

They're shows that help me start my morning and I appreciate both Undisputed, The Herd and First Take. Each of them bring something to the table that I like. I'm just happy that Max and Stephen A are pro Aaron.
 

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Someone explain to me what was wrong with what he said...
He is Basicly saying that there is no leadership here. With his new head coach looking for loyalty and stability. Moss took the , tear others down to boost yourself, approach...

Well check this out Moss. You're fired.

How's that for leadership?

Anyone else have anything wise to say? Lol.

And thats how thats done. Lol
 

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I'm pretty sure Moss was the one causing a stink about the LBs importance being taken down a couple notches. With the investment into the d line and draft capital spent on secondary. He almost got fired by his own guys in preseason.... Now he is going to cause a stink again when the new head coach is the guy who implimented the new scheme?

Moss had his chance. The last 10 years he had every style of LB come through the door. From Hof caliber do all like Mathews. To pass rusher specialist Perry. He now has one of the top ilbs in the league, and a extremely talented hybrid ilb/s. Not to mention a solid d line in front of him, and a secondary on verge of breakout.

Wheres the production Moss? Where's the leadership?

Not impressed.
 
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All right.. I bet Favre is sitting back and sipping on an Old Milwaukee and smiling while seeing these news releases :)
 
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I'm pretty sure Moss was the one causing a stink about the LBs importance being taken down a couple notches. With the investment into the d line and draft capital spent on secondary. He almost got fired by his own guys in preseason.... Now he is going to cause a drink again when the new head coach is the guy who implimented the new scheme?

Moss had hos chance. The last 10 years he had every style of LB come through the door. From Hof caliber do all like Mathews. To pass rusher specialist Perry. He now has one of the top ilbs in the league, and a extremely talented hybrid ilb/s. Not to mention a solid d line in front of him, and a secondary on verge of breakout.

Wheres the production Moss? Where's the leadership?

Not impressed.
Just my personal opinion, but generally when someone runs their mouth in this fashion (Moss) they are often the one who is at most to blame for the very woes they are attempting to distance themselves from.
What Moss apparently doesn’t understand, The biggest part of being a great leader is taking responsibility. His recent comments reek of the lack of PERSONAL responsibility it takes to be that leader. He has been a key component for what has been IMO an absolute dismal attempt to rebuild this defense and the pathetic use of a generational QB. Good Riddance!
Whitt might as well resign just like Winston should have had the intestinal fortitude to do (but chose Childs play instead)
In addition, Ron Zook obviously doesn’t care his unit is one of the more undisciplined in the league. We should send this pair walking yesterday at first sign of light.
 
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The fact #12 is being forced to change the play half the time... To be truthfully honest. I'd prefer Rodgers to have free reign of the play calling. Let the master draw outside the lines for once...
Of course coaches wont let that happen. #12 might show them up...

I remember Matt Flynn tossing like 7 tds and 600 yds or something ridiculous back in his record breaking pinnacle performance. McCarthy gave Rodgers the play calling duties to keep his head in the game... Next thing you know its an all out air show. McCarthy took yhe play calling back at the half, and very luckily won that game...

From that day, a half decade ago. I have believed #12 to be in that select group of all time greats , capable of calling all the plays. Honestly, I think he is better than the coaches. The coaches know it. He knows it. And if the brass want to spin this as a problem. Id say fire their ***** too.
 

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I swear this was in a Winston Moss fired thread last night when I went to bed...
 

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In regards to Winston Moss-I don't think it's necessarily fair to say he is the problem with the OLB group over the years when he's been given 2 injury-prone starters and backups that were either converted from DE or mid-ceiling/low-floor talent. Furthermore. as the Assistant HC I'm sure his presumed-to-be partner in MM getting canned a few days ago plus him not being named the interim let him know he was on borrowed time anyway. He already knew the deal when he tweeted and what the end result could be because of it.

As for Whitt, I can't deny our secondary hasn't been stellar for a long time. But at times it was good-and we have currently a bunch of young guys being coached up. If Whitt is gone next year I won't be surprised, but I'm willing to see him stick around and see if he can't get some stellar play in the future out of the draft capital on the roster at the moment...
 

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The fact #12 is being forced to change the play half the time... To be truthfully honest. I'd prefer Rodgers to have free reign of the play calling. Let the master draw outside the lines for once...
Of course coaches wont let that happen. #12 might show them up...

I remember Matt Flynn tossing like 7 tds and 600 yds or something ridiculous back in his record breaking pinnacle performance. McCarthy gave Rodgers the play calling duties to keep his head in the game... Next thing you know its an all out air show. McCarthy took yhe play calling back at the half, and very luckily won that game...

From that day, a half decade ago. I have believed #12 to be in that select group of all time greats , capable of calling all the plays. Honestly, I think he is better than the coaches. The coaches know it. He knows it. And if the brass want to spin this as a problem. Id say fire their ***** too.
That was one talking-head idea, let AR have play-calling power as did Peyton Manning w/ the Colts and bring in a Caldwell-type coach to "oversee" the team. I don't think Murphy-Gute will give-up that much control but it's always possible? Still think AR would need game-planning-assistance and a creative mind to help him think out of the box... maybe Alex Van Pelt returns as OC?
 

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That was one talking-head idea, let AR have play-calling power as did Peyton Manning w/ the Colts and bring in a Caldwell-type coach to "oversee" the team. I don't think Murphy-Gute will give-up that much control but it's always possible? Still think AR would need game-planning-assistance and a creative mind to help him think out of the box... maybe Alex Van Pelt returns as OC?

In that vein-I'd LOVE TO SEE a Mike Tomlin as HC/Eric Bieniemy as OC with "play-calling duties" in title but the understanding that Aaron has Peyton Manning-esque veto power/authority on what the offense runs at the LOS play-by-play/Alex Van Pelt back as Passing Game Coordinator/QB Coach/Assistant Head Coach. It could work on-the-field, in the locker room, and within the politics of "scratching everyone's back" properly...
 

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He is Basicly saying that there is no leadership here. With his new head coach looking for loyalty and stability. Moss took the , tear others down to boost yourself, approach...

Well check this out Moss. You're fired.

How's that for leadership?

Anyone else have anything wise to say? Lol.

And thats how thats done. Lol
He is correct in stating that their is a lack of leadership on the team. The McCarthy termination proves that. I donly not believe he was utilizing the "tear down others to make yourself look better" approach. Rather, I feel as though he was attempting to light a fire under the rears of everyone within the organization by deservedly calling them out. He could have definitely gone about it in a more professional manner but who knows? Maybe he has been trying to convey his message to the team for quite a while but it fell on deaf ears, so his last resort was going to Twitter. We may never know all the details. What I personally know from experience is that professionals (key word) in any industry who resort to such tactics do so because they feel as though their leaders aren't leading. As it currently stands I support Moss in what he said.
 

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Like I said in another post. Ask the young stars who are playing well, who they are following. Ask Adams. Ask Jones. So the young group of talented Wrs who they are trying to impress every day at practice...ask the veteran tight ends who they came here to play with...

The answer is #12. The guy who played through a nasty knee sprain. The guy who has one single interception in the whole season. The same guy Moss decided to drag into his bs tweet...

Bye bye moss. Its absolutely the right move.
 
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As for Whitt, I can't deny our secondary hasn't been stellar for a long time. But at times it was good-and we have currently a bunch of young guys being coached up. If Whitt is gone next year I won't be surprised, but I'm willing to see him stick around and see if he can't get some stellar play in the future out of the draft capital on the roster at the moment...

Disagree with this. I don't see a "bunch" of guys being coached up in the secondary. 1st Rd. Pick JA had a very good skill set when the Packers drafted him. He was good from the day he stepped on the field. 2nd Round Pick Jackson also brought some decent skills from Iowa. He seemed to be better at the beginning of the season and regressed. 2nd Rd. Pick Kevin King, tough to critique due to injuries, but he doesn't seem to have been coached up. I won't even talk about all the guys before this group, drafted high and out the door. The safeties group this year has been pathetic. Whitt has to go.
 

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