JJ Watt Cardinals 2 yrs 31 mill

[Deleted member 6794]

So, with the lowered salary cap, the franchise tag is cheaper too. I think they could sign Jones for around $8/year rather than $12. Think I saw Nagler talking about this.

According to Over The Cap the franchise tag for a running back will be set at $11.1 million. That's way too much for the Packers to consider putting it on Jones.

 

[thequick12]

According to Over The Cap the franchise tag for a running back will be set at $11.1 million. That's way too much for the Packers to consider putting it on Jones.

Well that's not entirely true...if they think they can get more than a late 3rd round pick for him in a trade or they'd prefer to get that late 3rd this year than as a compensatory pick in 2022, we could see the franchise tag used. But yes there is no way they can have him count 11 m against the cap in 2021

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Well that's not entirely true...if they think they can get more than a late 3rd round pick for him in a trade or they'd prefer to get that late 3rd this year than as a compensatory pick in 2022, we could see the franchise tag used. But yes there is no way they can have him count 11 m against the cap in 2021

The Packers would have to create enough cap space to fit Jones' franchise tag under the cap in the first place though. Even if they considered trading him afterwards that limits their ability to make other moves in the meantime.

 

[jetfixer]

According to Over The Cap the franchise tag for a running back will be set at $11.1 million. That's way too much for the Packers to consider putting it on Jones.

I'm not arguing, but on the NFL radio this morning they said running back was nearly the cheapest at 8. something million.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not arguing, but on the NFL radio this morning they said running back was nearly the cheapest at 8. something million.

Agreed. Not sure if Captain grabbed old numbers. I don't think the tag prices are set until the cap number is firm.

Here is the latest info that I could find.

Position by position for 180/183/185, all figures in millions:

QB: $24.76/$25.17/$25.45
WR: $15.76/$16.03/$16.02
RB: $8.54/$8.68/$8.78

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/22/monday-afternoon-quarterback-franchise-tag-salary-cap-cam-newton

 

[RRyder]

Agreed. Not sure if Captain grabbed old numbers. I don't think the tag prices are set until the cap number is firm.

Here is the latest info that I could find.

Position by position for 180/183/185, all figures in millions:

QB: $24.76/$25.17/$25.45
WR: $15.76/$16.03/$16.02
RB: $8.54/$8.68/$8.78

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/22/monday-afternoon-quarterback-franchise-tag-salary-cap-cam-newton

The franchise tag is based on what the average number is for the top 5 players at the position is over the last 5 years or 120% of the players previous salary (whichever is greater)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAoegQIORAF&usg=AOvVaw294EyWbNuDFi6rsqjF0QEB

What the cap is doesn't factor in. Unless there's been an amendment to the cba I didn't know about

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The franchise tag is based on what the average number is for the top 5 players at the position is over the last 5 years or 120% of the players previous salary (whichever is greater)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAoegQIORAF&usg=AOvVaw294EyWbNuDFi6rsqjF0QEB

What the cap is doesn't factor in. Unless there's been an amendment to the cba I didn't know about

I think you missed part 3 in the article that you quoted. That is why the Franchise tag will be lower this year.

1. Summing the amounts of the franchise tags for players at that position for the five preceding league years
2. Dividing the resulting amount by the sum of the salary caps for the five preceding league years
3. Multiplying the resulting percentage by the salary cap for the upcoming league year

 

[Jerellh528]

I don’t know why people are still trying to somehow justify having Jones on this team. Dillion was drafted for this very moment. Paying rbs these days is a fools errand.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm not arguing, but on the NFL radio this morning they said running back was nearly the cheapest at 8. something million.

Agreed. Not sure if Captain grabbed old numbers. I don't think the tag prices are set until the cap number is firm.

Here is the latest info that I could find.

Position by position for 180/183/185, all figures in millions:

QB: $24.76/$25.17/$25.45
WR: $15.76/$16.03/$16.02
RB: $8.54/$8.68/$8.78

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/22/monday-afternoon-quarterback-franchise-tag-salary-cap-cam-newton

I took the numbers from Over The Cap.

https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders/

It's possible they didn't account for the projected salary cap drop-off for next season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I took the numbers from Over The Cap.

https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders/

It's possible they didn't account for the projected salary cap drop-off for next season.

Yes, this most recent OTC article seems to have been more updated to reflect their predictions based on the projected cap numbers.

A Look at Franchise Tags from 2011-2020 | Over the Cap

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don’t know why people are still trying to somehow justify having Jones on this team. Dillion was drafted for this very moment. Paying rbs these days is a fools errand.

Why? Because Jones is head and shoulders that much better than Dillon. I don't think many of us are hoping the Packers will pay Jones top 3 RB money, but I can totally see where Franchise tagging him and paying him $8M might be well worth the 1 year investment. Really it would come down to cap money being made available to do that, which with some creative contract restructuring (of current players), wouldn't be that difficult.

How Jones reacts to and plays under a tag, is also another aspect that I am sure Gute and Co. are thinking about.

 

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[Poppa San]

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And last week Cleveland was almost a lock to sign him.

 

[lambeaulambo]

oh bloody hell...A Jones while out of the realm of average IS an important piece, I dont see him being here this coming year. All this JJ Watt talk while interesting, is about as likely as Jones staying here. I'd love to have both, but I think its a dream to think either will end up here.

 

[swhitset]

oh bloody hell...A Jones while out of the realm of average IS an important piece, I dont see him being here this coming year. All this JJ Watt talk while interesting, is about as likely as Jones staying here. I'd love to have both, but I think its a dream to think either will end up here.

Normally I’d agree with that .... but I just have a feeling that the Packers are really trying to land Watt.... It may not happen, but I think this is far more likely than some think.

 

[PackerDNA]

Just read that some team has offered Watt 15 to 16 million per year. If true, we can forget about the idea of him coming here.

 

[ARPackFan]

Just read that some team has offered Watt 15 to 16 million per year. If true, we can forget about the idea of him coming here.

The article I saw only indicates the contract is worth that much. Maybe it's a 2 year deal with all money guaranteed? As with all contracts it's in the details and at this point it may be the agent throwing numbers out in an attempt to drive the price up.

Multiple sources told Russini that the most lucrative offer Watt currently has on the table is believed to be worth between $15 million and $16 million.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30962022/sources-free-agent-jj-watt-offers-multiple-nfl-teams

 

[Poppa San]

Just read that some team has offered Watt 15 to 16 million per year. If true, we can forget about the idea of him coming here.

That's easy to do. Example: 4 years, $20m signing bonus, $5m 1st year, $10m second guaranteed, last two years $5m roster bonuses and $10m per. Throw in some incentives and walla $16m per year. 1st year cap hit $10m, 2nd $15m + incentives and workout bonuses. Average annual can be spiked with say $20m-25m for last year or two.

 

[swhitset]

That's easy to do. Example: 4 years, $20m signing bonus, $5m 1st year, $10m second guaranteed, last two years $5m roster bonuses and $10m per. Throw in some incentives and walla $16m per year. 1st year cap hit $10m, 2nd $15m + incentives and workout bonuses. Average annual can be spiked with say $20m-25m for last year or two.

true... but the article posted above yours doesn’t even suggest that he is being offered that much... it says that that the “most lucrative contract on the table is believed to be worth 15-16 million dollars”. The quote does NOT say “per year” Unless it’s a 1 year deal being offered .... those numbers start to look very affordable.

 

[longtimefan]

The article I saw only indicates the contract is worth that much. Maybe it's a 2 year deal with all money guaranteed? As with all contracts it's in the details and at this point it may be the agent throwing numbers out in an attempt to drive the price up.

Multiple sources told Russini that the most lucrative offer Watt currently has on the table is believed to be worth between $15 million and $16 million.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30962022/sources-free-agent-jj-watt-offers-multiple-nfl-teams

Agent spin

3 years 24 mill?

 

[GleefulGary]

Why? Because Jones is head and shoulders that much better than Dillon. I don't think many of us are hoping the Packers will pay Jones top 3 RB money, but I can totally see where Franchise tagging him and paying him $8M might be well worth the 1 year investment. Really it would come down to cap money being made available to do that, which with some creative contract restructuring (of current players), wouldn't be that difficult.

How Jones reacts to and plays under a tag, is also another aspect that I am sure Gute and Co. are thinking about.

Jones is better than Dillon, currently.

However, is his impact significantly better to justify the pay? I lean towards no.

 

[easyk83]

I for one am really bullish on what Dillon brings to this offense and the way he compliments what we have.

 

[Dantés]

We can't know for sure, but the most likely reason why we would be hearing rumors about how much teams are offering Watt right now would be leaks from his camp/agent trying to leverage an offer from a team he doesn't want to play for to get more money from a team that he does want to play for.

For instance, I could imagine the Raiders offering him 16M annually, him having no interest in playing for them, but wanting to use the offer to get a team like the Packers or the Bills to come up a little bit on a current figure they have out to him.

 

[Pugger]

Just read that some team has offered Watt 15 to 16 million per year. If true, we can forget about the idea of him coming here.

He was making $17M in Houston. If anybody offered him 15 to 16 he would have signed it by now. I suspect this is agent speak trying to instigate a make-believe bidding war. JJ is a nice player but not at that price at this point in his career. I hope Gute doesn't go above $10M per. Let him go to Vegas.

 

[Poppa San]

true... but the article posted above yours doesn’t even suggest that he is being offered that much... it says that that the “most lucrative contract on the table is believed to be worth 15-16 million dollars”. The quote does NOT say “per year” Unless it’s a 1 year deal being offered .... those numbers start to look very affordable.

Doesn't say one year deal either. I was just pointing out to a poster that said 15-16m puts him out of reach that if it were a multi-year deal it is easy to get to high annual numbers without actually committng to them. There is no clickbait if they said multi-years for 15m total.